Fine Tuning

[wuvshroom]

Budget (including currency): $3500 (US) (just for rn)

Country: U.S.

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming, Entertainment, streaming, and content creation. For gaming,(all on medium to high settings) id probably be using Cyberpunk 2077, Minecraft, Rocket League, Destiny 2, Control, Forza, Microsoft Flight sim, etc... And for content creation probably, Adobe Lightroom, Premier pro, and OBS.

I made one of these a while ago, but now I have narrowed down my parts pretty much to the tee, now I just need to know basic things like the thermals, (if it runs to hot) if the dimensions all fit each other, if everything works together smoothly, etc.

But if anyone has any suggestions for things I should swap let me know.  Right now I currently already have an 11700k CPU in hand that I plan on upgrading to a 12700k down the line. I'm also planning on using the Integrated graphics on the CPU until I have enough to get a 3080ti. I am upgrading from a 2013 HP ProBook, with an i5-4300m, 8GB of DDR-3 RAM, and a SATA3 120 GB SSD. so this is a HUGE upgrade for me. I already bought a monitor, and just need the computer now. I'm planning on buying everything either today, or tomorrow depending on what suggestions you guys give me. Oh I'm also planning at playing at 1440p 120hz. Here is the Part Picker link with all the components iv chosen. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BMTf9r

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

22 minutes ago, wuvshroom said:

 Right now I currently already have an 11700k CPU in hand that I plan on upgrading to a 12700k down the line.

11th and 12th gen do not use the same socket.

So you'd have to upgrade the motherboard, and probably the RAM to when you do that.

 

Is there any reason you'd actually get 128GB of RAM, that's more than gaming and content creation can use. 

Getting all 4 TB of your storage on NVMe is very extreme. personally, I could let one be SATA or use 2.5" SSDs of higher capacity as additional storage instead of the NVMe.

The 1300w PSU is super overkill.

Save money on all of that, and you'll be able to afford a Graphics card sooner, or get a better one.

 

Less important though: I wouldn't go for the 360mm AIO, those aren't the best in my experience. 

[Dr0idGh0sT]

You are spending way too much in most unnecassary, Overpriced or bad parts. This will be absolute waste of money unfortunately. Sell your 11700K and here would be a good list you can build.

Your list has overpriced and bad cooler. Overpriced motherboard, That is an obsolete pllatform, Way too expensive RAM. Don't get 128GB I doubt you ever be able to utilize 128GB of RAM on this kind of system and for your use case. Overpriced and garbage case. Overpriced and unnecassary PSU. Overpriced and also unnecessary SSDs.

Build this instead. If you ever end up needing Gen 4 SSD, It's easy and cheap upgrade.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($364.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Asus TUF GAMING LC 240 ARGB 67 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($274.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($199.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($199.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB GAMING Z TRIO Video Card  ($1239.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: Super Flower Leadex III Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Total: $2919.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-03-28 06:18 EDT-0400

[wuvshroom]

20 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

11th and 12th gen do not use the same socket.

So you'd have to upgrade the motherboard, and probably the RAM to when you do that.

 

Is there any reason you'd actually get 128GB of RAM, that's more than gaming and content creation can use. 

Getting all 4 TB of your storage on NVMe is very extreme. personally, I could let one be SATA or use 2.5" SSDs of higher capacity as additional storage instead of the NVMe.

The 1300w PSU is super overkill.

 

Alr, so il sell the 11700k, and get the 12700k, and choose a new motherboard. But the 128GB of RAM is necessary because i'm planning on using machine learning, (ie deepfaking etc) particle simulations and so-on. Also I do not think the PSU is that overkill cuz I want it to be future proof, because I will be OC my GPU, and will eventually get a 3090ti. 

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

10 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

That is an obsolete pllatform

It's not the newest  thing, but a 1 year old platform is anything but obsolete!

10 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

Overpriced and garbage case

1. Personal Preference

2. That's a pretty good case. and it is generally accepted to be so.

 

10 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Don't get an ASUS AIO and if you're gonna go for 12th gen, get a DDR5 board and DDR5; it'll fit your  budget anyway.

that is an PSU. its ok, but my personal preference is for Corsair, EVGA, or seasonic units.

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

4 minutes ago, wuvshroom said:

Also I do not think the PSU is that overkill cuz I want it to be future proof, because I will be OC my GPU, and will eventually get a 3090ti

PSU standards are about to change to ATX 3.0 anyway. And even with and overclocked 3090 and ball'n system you won't pull over 1000w. Unless you do some insane water-cooling

[wuvshroom]

1 hour ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

It's not the newest  thing, but a 1 year old platform is anything but obsolete!

1. Personal Preference

2. That's a pretty good case. and it is generally accepted to be so.

 

Don't get an ASUS AIO and if you're gonna go for 12th gen, get a DDR5 board and DDR5; it'll fit your  budget anyway.

that is an PSU. its ok, but my personal preference is for Corsair, EVGA, or seasonic units.

All I changed was the CPU, the board, and one less SSD. I would change the cooler but I really like the style. But if it just doesn't seem to be enough for my system, Il just resell it and and get something better. Plus the new board I chose has mostly all the IO I want. The PSU is just caution, really. DDR5 is too expensive at 128 GB, but i'm planning on eventually building a server, so I could sometime in like a year or so from now switch the board Im buying now for the server, and buy a DDR5 board, and DDR5 for my daily. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2HpPnt

[igormp]

3 hours ago, wuvshroom said:

All I changed was the CPU, the board, and one less SSD. I would change the cooler but I really like the style. But if it just doesn't seem to be enough for my system, Il just resell it and and get something better. Plus the new board I chose has mostly all the IO I want. The PSU is just caution, really. DDR5 is too expensive at 128 GB, but i'm planning on eventually building a server, so I could sometime in like a year or so from now switch the board Im buying now for the server, and buy a DDR5 board, and DDR5 for my daily. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2HpPnt

I'd say that 4000MHz is overkill, I doubt you'll be able to easily go past 3800MHz using 4 high density sticks, it also won't make that much of a difference for your tasks.

 

If you are really planning on doing ML on a serious scale (otherwise those 128gb of ram are pretty useless), jump straight for a 3090 instead of a 3080ti, those extra 12gb of vram will be crucial, otherwise you're better off with 2x 3060s if you know your way around ML.

[Dr0idGh0sT]

Don't mean to be rude, But your knowledge about PC parts is non existent. 

11 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

It's not the newest  thing, but a 1 year old platform is anything but obsolete!

It's obsolete, Because of two reasons, First, It was very bad at launch, Second, It's price remains same as 12th Gen intel or more expensive than Ryzen 5000 series, While performance is significantly worse, Hence it's obsolete. Investing 400$ in this platform is simply waste of money.

11 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

1. Personal Preference

2. That's a pretty good case. and it is generally accepted to be so.

That is not good case, It's old garbage, That wasn't even considered good back in 2019. It has zero airflow and considering parts he is getting, This case will be microwawe. It only looks good, But it performs worse than 100$ cases and is very overpriced.

11 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

Don't get an ASUS AIO

What you want from Asus AIO?

11 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

if you're gonna go for 12th gen, get a DDR5 board and DDR5; it'll fit your  budget anyway.

DDR5 currently is very overpriced, While performance is similar or worse than DDR4 RAMs, Unless you pay 500$ and more in RAM and no one in their right mind should do that. No one who is knowledgable enough in PC parts will tell you to buy DDR5. 

11 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

that is an PSU. its ok, but my personal preference is for Corsair, EVGA, or seasonic units.

That PSU is not ok, It's one of the best in this category. Neither Corsair, Nor EVGA manufacture PSUs, Only Seasonic does. All of this three brand has bad and good PSUs. While EVGA had good PSUs, It's one of the worst brand to recommend now. Most of current models EVGA sell are bad or at best okey, Only G6 is good, Others (GA, GT, G5, GQ, G+, GD) are mediocre. Do you know what made EVGA popular in PSU market? That was G1, G2 and 3 units, That was manufactured by Super Flower. Suggesting PSU by brand name once again tells me you have zero knowladge about PC parts. 

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

8 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

It's obsolete, Because of two reasons, First, It was very bad at launch, Second, It's price remains same as 12th Gen intel or more expensive than Ryzen 5000 series, While performance is significantly worse, Hence it's obsolete. Investing 400$ in this platform is simply waste of money.

That's not what it means to be obsolete. the 2600k is obsolete. the 8700k is not obsolete. Waste of money? Yes! Obsolete? no.

8 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

DDR5 currently is very overpriced, While performance is similar or worse than DDR4 RAMs, Unless you pay 500$ and more in RAM and no one in their right mind should do that. No one who is knowledgable enough in PC parts will tell you to buy DDR5. 

It's not that the current DDR5 is good. It's that a DDR4 motherboard limits your future upgrades. 

No one who  is knowledgeable in upgrading a PC will tell you to insult me. 

8 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

Suggesting PSU by brand name once again tells me you have zero knowladge about PC parts.

I recommend them because I have had  some really good experiences with their customer support systems. Mainly a couple of corsair PSU refunds.

But the one time I dealt with EVGA they were also very good, and seasonic is generally one of the best in the business.

And all three of these have pretty great warranties as well.

again, please be civil.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rvb3tn

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[Dr0idGh0sT]

3 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

That's not what it means to be obsolete. the 2600k is obsolete. the 8700k is not obsolete. Waste of money? Yes! Obsolete? no.

Something that costs same amount as better parts is obsolete.

3 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

It's not that the current DDR5 is good. It's that a DDR4 motherboard limits your future upgrades. 

No one who  is knowledgeable in upgrading a PC will tell you to insult me. 

DDR5 mobos will also limit your upgrade path to only current gen speed DDR5 RAMs, Because max supported speed is 6400MHz on those mobos, Anyways, Anyone with good knowledge tells you to move to new platform when you want to upgrade, Swapping CPU and RAM makes no sense. 

 

3 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

I recommend them because I have had  some really good experiences with their customer support systems. Mainly a couple of corsair PSU refunds.

But the one time I dealt with EVGA they were also very good, and seasonic is generally one of the best in the business.

And all three of these have pretty great warranties as well.

again, please be civil.

That says absolutely nothing about quality of PSU, Also absolutely nothing about Super Flower. EVGA currently sells one of the worst PSUs on the market as I already said, So recommending that id very bad... 

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

On 3/29/2022 at 3:18 PM, Dr0idGh0sT said:

Something that costs same amount as better parts is obsolete.

Cost ineffective =/= Obsolete

if it did the RTX 3090 would be "obsolete"

On 3/29/2022 at 3:18 PM, Dr0idGh0sT said:

DDR5 mobos will also limit your upgrade path to only current gen speed DDR5 RAMs

Kind of, but not really. It'll be the CPUs that limits it. If your gonna spend a bunch of money on a 12th Gen CPU instead of just using a 11th gen you already have. you might as well get DDR5 so that its all 'modern'

On 3/29/2022 at 3:18 PM, Dr0idGh0sT said:

That says absolutely nothing about quality of PSU

But it does mean they have good customer support. which is what I was getting at.

On 3/29/2022 at 3:18 PM, Dr0idGh0sT said:

EVGA currently sells one of the worst PSUs on the market

That's not even true.

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

On 3/29/2022 at 1:29 PM, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rvb3tn

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I like this configuration a lot better.

Though, I still think DDR5 would be a good go.

I think 360 AIOs are of dubious quality, but that one is a  decent model.

[Dr0idGh0sT]

10 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

If your gonna spend a bunch of money on a 12th Gen CPU instead of just using a 11th gen you already have.

You don't spend more in 12th gen, You spend same or few bucks more, That's a problem.

10 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

But it does mean they have good customer support. which is what I was getting at.

On 3/30/2022 at 12:18 AM, Dr0idGh0sT said:

That means you don't know. Anyways, If PSU is good enough, You'll never need customer servie... 

10 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

That's not even true.

I already explained that they are selling one of the worst PSUs on the market currently, After 2020 when they cut ties with Super Flower. Can you prove otherwise? 

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

9 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

That means you don't know

BRUH!

9 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

You'll never need customer servie

You know, unless you need customer service for something else....

9 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

I already explained that they are selling one of the worst PSUs

You didn't explain. You just said.

[Dr0idGh0sT]

13 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

You didn't explain. You just said.

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-750-g5-power-supply,6344.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-750-gt-power-supply-review

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-gq-series-750w-psu,4396.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-650-g1-plus-psu,5661.html

 

Enough resources for you?

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

19 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

WTF is this source

 

19 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

Enough resources for you?

They're overpriced. Not "worst PSU on the market."

 

I will now give an example of a PSU that is legitimately bad.

https://www.amazon.com/GAMDIAS-Kratos-M1-750B-Bronze-Certified/dp/B07NRN6FNJ/ref=sr_1_5?c=ts&keywords=Computer+Power+Supplies&qid=1648867932&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6906986011&rnid=6525659011&s=pc&sr=1-5&ts_id=1161760

[Dr0idGh0sT]

4 hours ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

WTF is this source

Why do you even bother to argue with me when you clearly have absolutely no idea what are you talking about?