is this a good build?

[ill wait for u]

Budget (including currency): around 4k€

Country: Austria

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Apex Legends, League of Legends, CS:GO, AC Odyssey, Lost Ark etc. Blender, Adobe Creative Cloud, ZBRUSH, Maya, C4D

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc):

Hey everyone,

 

I recently decided to get a good gaming and workstation-pc. This is what I came up with: 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B7CTBj

 

I was just wondering if this is a good build or if I can improve something. Yes I know, the kraken z73 is overpriced but it looks cool I play at 3840 * 2160 (ultrawide), thus the 3080ti.

 

Any help is very much appreciated!

 

[SorryBella]

12 minutes ago, ill wait for u said:

I recently decided to get a good gaming and workstation-pc. This is what I came up with: 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

Wrong copy.

 

[ill wait for u]

7 minutes ago, SorryClaire said:

Wrong copy.

 

ah sht mb. updated it.

[SorryBella]

10 minutes ago, ill wait for u said:

ah sht mb. updated it.

No notes besides that i would definitely go for 2x2TB SSD (or a 1x2TB SSD and 1x8TB HDD) instead of... whatever youre trying to do.

[dizmo]

•  I wouldn't get an MSI motherboard
• Your storage seems....odd
• That's a ridiculous price for that card
• If you're in Austria, don't use the US PCPartPicker; it's not relevant to you

[ill wait for u]

37 minutes ago, SorryClaire said:

No notes besides that i would definitely go for 2x2TB SSD (or a 1x2TB SSD and 1x8TB HDD) instead of... whatever youre trying to do.

 

24 minutes ago, dizmo said:

•  I wouldn't get an MSI motherboard
• Your storage seems....odd
• That's a ridiculous price for that card
• If you're in Austria, don't use the US PCPartPicker; it's not relevant to you

500gb ssd pcie 4.0 for os and programs. 1tb pcie 3.0 for games and 2tb pcie 3.0 as storage. yeah the gpu's price is completely wrong, I forgot to mention that its 1.8k on amazon. pcpartpicker so I can keep track of every component. I wont order from there. why not msi motherboard? I wanted to go for asus rog strix z690-a but its white so I changed it to tomahawk.

[jackorsomethings]

I don't know if you're planning to overclock but that AIO might be overkill.

[ill wait for u]

2 minutes ago, jackorsomethings said:

I don't know if you're planning to overclock but that AIO might be overkill.

yeah will definitely oc, I think the aio is fine.

[ill wait for u]

43 minutes ago, dizmo said:

•  I wouldn't get an MSI motherboard
• Your storage seems....odd
• That's a ridiculous price for that card
• If you're in Austria, don't use the US PCPartPicker; it's not relevant to you

what motherboard would you recommend? most high-end alder lake mobos come with only DDR5 support. another option I was considering is this one:

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi-d4/p/N82E16813119506?quicklink=true

[dizmo]

34 minutes ago, ill wait for u said:

 

500gb ssd pcie 4.0 for os and programs. 1tb pcie 3.0 for games and 2tb pcie 3.0 as storage. yeah the gpu's price is completely wrong, I forgot to mention that its 1.8k on amazon. pcpartpicker so I can keep track of every component. I wont order from there. why not msi motherboard? I wanted to go for asus rog strix z690-a but its white so I changed it to tomahawk.

The chances of you noticing a difference between a 980 Pro and a "slower" NVME drive is next to nil. Waste of money IMO. Likewise with having a PCIe drive for storage. Might as well be an HDD of significantly higher capacity. 

 

I've seen 3080Tis for 1500ish. 1800 is still too much. 

 

MSI has horrible customer service and support. I've had issues with every product I've purchased of theirs except GPU. 

11 minutes ago, ill wait for u said:

what motherboard would you recommend? most high-end alder lake mobos come with only DDR5 support. another option I was considering is this one:

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi-d4/p/N82E16813119506?quicklink=true

I'd go check out Hardware Unboxed. They do great mobo roundups. 

[ill wait for u]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The chances of you noticing a difference between a 980 Pro and a "slower" NVME drive is next to nil. Waste of money IMO. Likewise with having a PCIe drive for storage. Might as well be an HDD of significantly higher capacity. 

 

I've seen 3080Tis for 1500ish. 1800 is still too much. 

 

MSI has horrible customer service and support. I've had issues with every product I've purchased of theirs except GPU. 

I'd go check out Hardware Unboxed. They do great mobo roundups. 

I chose to go with one pcie 4 ssd for video editing. does that even make sense or would I have to upgrade the other 2 ssds also to pcie 4.0. for example if I have one ssd where I store all the my footage and stuff? or does that only matter for the ssd on which the program (premiere pro) is installed?

[Austroknot]

11 minutes ago, ill wait for u said:

what motherboard would you recommend? most high-end alder lake mobos come with only DDR5 support. another option I was considering is this one:

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi-d4/p/N82E16813119506?quicklink=true

The ASUS TUF motherboard would be my go-to over MSI. Not exactly sure what @dizmo may be referring to but for me it's just personal preference. Also it seems like it has all the features the MSI one is giving you and its a little cheaper.

 

Your storage was a little confusing at first but I see what you're trying to do after your explanation. Seeing in your workload list you have things like Adobe Creative Cloud, C4D, and Maya, I'd assume you might be a videographer/content creator + Game Dev? I don't know much about the game dev side of things with blender etc. but if you do content creation and handle video with high resolutions regularly, I do support @SorryClaire in getting a 1x8TB or larger HDD in addition to what you have because you could easily fill a 2TB SSD.

 

To put it in perspective. A single hour of 4k footage would take up approximately 318GB of space. 

 

Everything else checks out to me. Looks like a sweet build!

[Austroknot]

24 minutes ago, dizmo said:

MSI has horrible customer service and support. I've had issues with every product I've purchased of theirs except GPU.

Ah, got you. I've never bought from MSI so I was unaware. Good to know!

[ill wait for u]

19 minutes ago, Austroknot said:

The ASUS TUF motherboard would be my go-to over MSI. Not exactly sure what @dizmo may be referring to but for me it's just personal preference. Also it seems like it has all the features the MSI one is giving you and its a little cheaper.

 

Your storage was a little confusing at first but I see what you're trying to do after your explanation. Seeing in your workload list you have things like Adobe Creative Cloud, C4D, and Maya, I'd assume you might be a videographer/content creator + Game Dev? I don't know much about the game dev side of things with blender etc. but if you do content creation and handle video with high resolutions regularly, I do support @SorryClaire in getting a 1x8TB or larger HDD in addition to what you have because you could easily fill a 2TB SSD.

 

To put it in perspective. A single hour of 4k footage would take up approximately 318GB of space. 

 

Everything else checks out to me. Looks like a sweet build!

heyy thank you for the answer! yes I do a lot of 3D-Modeling / Animation / Motion Graphics / graphic-design etc. Not really into game developement but unreal engine is great to work with just for 3D.

 

And for vidoe-editing: wouldnt that take ages to load clips into premiere, when working from an HDD? I usually dont do any 4k video-editing.

[Austroknot]

20 minutes ago, ill wait for u said:

heyy thank you for the answer! yes I do a lot of 3D-Modeling / Animation / Motion Graphics / graphic-design etc. Not really into game developement but unreal engine is great to work with just for 3D.

 

And for vidoe-editing: wouldnt that take ages to load clips into premiere, when working from an HDD? I usually dont do any 4k video-editing.

Yes, HDD are extremely slow. I wouldn't recommend a HDD that has an RPM below 7200. Modern 3.5" HDD 7200RPM have higher density plates that can read/write at around 200MBps ( and something to do with the larger 128MB and 256MB cache sizes etc.) This HDD in particular has had reviews saying it's been tested to hit close to that 200MBps benchmark for reference. In the case of my one hour of 4k footage example, the 318GB of data would take approximately 26.5 minutes to load.

 

The strategy with the HDD is to keep active projects in your 2tb storage SSD for speed and accessibility. Then, keep completed projects that you don't use often filed away in a large capacity HDD in case you need to reference it in the future.

 

If you don't use 4K video much and you don't see yourself using 4K video in the future, Then maybe you can get away with a smaller capacity HDD... though I don't recommend anything smaller than 4TB for all the different kinds of projects you work on video-related or otherwise. You can estimate video file sizes on a file size calculator like this one and see what you find to be an appropriate storage device to store everything away on. Also don't forget to factor in all other use cases for your 3D-Modeling/Animation/Graphic Design files when you're done estimating the video footage part.

 

Things to consider if I were you would be, how long will this last me before I have to expand my storage capacity again? Does my computer chassis support more storage expansion? (More 3.5" slots to insert more HDDs or 2.5" slots SSDs) If so, how much more? Do I want to store my completed projects internally or externally?

 

You get the idea. Hope this helps ^^

[ill wait for u]

5 minutes ago, Austroknot said:

Yes, HDD are extremely slow. I wouldn't recommend a HDD that has an RPM below 7200. Modern 3.5" HDD 7200RPM have higher density plates that can read/write at around 200MBps ( and something to do with the larger 128MB and 256MB cache sizes etc.) This HDD in particular has had reviews saying it's been tested to hit close to that 200MBps benchmark for reference. In the case of my one hour of 4k footage example, the 318GB of data would take approximately 26.5 minutes to load.

 

The strategy with the HDD is to keep active projects in your 2tb storage SSD for speed and accessibility. Then, keep completed projects that you don't use often filed away in a large capacity HDD in case you need to reference it in the future.

 

If you don't use 4K video much and you don't see yourself using 4K video in the future, Then maybe you can get away with a smaller capacity HDD... though I don't recommend anything smaller than 4TB for all the different kinds of projects you work on video-related or otherwise. You can estimate video file sizes on a file size calculator like this one and see what you find to be an appropriate storage device to store everything away on. Also don't forget to factor in all other use cases for your 3D-Modeling/Animation/Graphic Design files when you're done estimating the video footage part.

 

Things to consider if I were you would be, how long will this last me before I have to expand my storage capacity again? Does my computer chassis support more storage expansion? (More 3.5" slots to insert more HDDs or 2.5" slots SSDs) If so, how much more? Do I want to store my completed projects internally or externally?

 

You get the idea. Hope this helps ^^

ooooooh, that makes a lot of sense! I think thats the way to go. And yes I can upgrade the case with 4x SATA SSDs and 2X HDDs at any point if I wanted to. So that shouldn't be a problem at all One more question. Would it make sense to also go with a 2TB SSD pcie 4.0 instead of pcie 3.0? Right now only my main drive 500GB has pcie 4.0.

 

So to summarize that would be

 

1x 500GB PCIE 4.0 SSD

1X 2TB PCIE 4.0 SSD

1X 8TB HDD

[Austroknot]

10 minutes ago, ill wait for u said:

Would it make sense to also go with a 2TB SSD pcie 4.0 instead of pcie 3.0? Right now only my main drive 500GB has pcie 4.0.

I mean, sure! Again I can't speak for the animation workload side of things but from my experience loading and scrubbing through footage in Adobe Premiere, The faster the connection with the media, the better workflow I get to experience. In any task where your computer components are in constant need of communication with files located on your storage device, you could potentially see a benefit in using PCI-E 4.0. Definitely not a must-have at all though.

 

Again, things to consider might be: do I see myself upgrading to editing higher resolution video content? (more data needs to be communicated to the CPU and other components). You probably won't see much if any improved performance with just 1080p footage alone. Do my 3D-Modeling and animation project files benefit from the bump in speed? The general line of questioning way that I would approach that decision is I would be asking myself, what is stopping me from using PCI-E 4.0 for my SSDs? I have a really hard time trying to predict what I will and will not be storing and accessing on my computer down the road so I try to simplify future Me's life as much as possible and just get the PCIE 4.0 so its a non-issue and save myself the endless misery and sorrow of buyer's remorse. That's me though. 

Also I wouldn't get PCIE 4.0 for the 1TB gaming SSD. There's pretty much zero noticeable benefit in doing so.

[ill wait for u]

7 minutes ago, Austroknot said:

I mean, sure! Again I can't speak for the animation workload side of things but from my experience loading and scrubbing through footage in Adobe Premiere, The faster the connection with the media, the better workflow I get to experience. In any task where your computer components are in constant need of communication with files located on your storage device, you could potentially see a benefit in using PCI-E 4.0. Definitely not a must-have at all though.

 

Again, things to consider might be: do I see myself upgrading to editing higher resolution video content? (more data needs to be communicated to the CPU and other components). You probably won't see much if any improved performance with just 1080p footage alone. Do my 3D-Modeling and animation project files benefit from the bump in speed? The general line of questioning way that I would approach that decision is I would be asking myself, what is stopping me from using PCI-E 4.0 for my SSDs? I have a really hard time trying to predict what I will and will not be storing and accessing on my computer down the road so I try to simplify future Me's life as much as possible and just get the PCIE 4.0 so its a non-issue and save myself the endless misery and sorrow of buyer's remorse. That's me though. 

Also I wouldn't get PCIE 4.0 for the 1TB gaming SSD. There's pretty much zero noticeable benefit in doing so.

ok I think i got everything together:

 

1x 500GB PCIE 4.0 SSD - OS and software

1X 2TB PCIE 4.0 SSD - active projects / plugins

1X 1TB PCIE 3.0 SSD - games

1X 8TB HDD - storage, past projects

 

this should do everything, and I can always upgrade later on if I feel like I need more space.