Pc for Polyworks - almost unlimited budget.

[Demokles]

Budget (including currency): 10.000 usd

Country: Norway

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: VXelements, polyworks, generel VR and blender work - and some engineering calculations.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Just need to figure out the PC.

 

So, the company i'm working for are in deep with laser scanning and the downstream processes of that. We use Polyworks for the post treatment of our scans and deal with really large files. (25gb of data on the regular)

We're looking to build a PC for just that purpose, but figuring out the primary focus is proving to be difficult due to the specialist nature of the programs.

 

One thing obvious is that the pc has to be hardcore on both the visual part and calculatory bit. 

 

I need a stationary that can churn out results quickly and the price is last on the list of priorities.

 

Any advice would be brilliant!

[Radium_Angel]

4 minutes ago, Demokles said:

due to the specialist nature of the programs.

 

I would think contacting the software vendor and asking what specs they suggest, might at least point you in the right direction.

 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Multi core or single core workload?

 

Cause at this budget id just reccomend you to buy a pair for epyc 7d12 32 core (~800$ each) and a giga mz72 dual socket sp3 board (~1000$), dont worry about the low freq cause you can just use a modded zenstates to lock all cores to a higher turbo, maybe even lock them all to single core turbo at 3ghz. And 32gb ecc ddr4 is pretty cheap for a low speed stuff like 2400 or 2666 and you can just do a minor overclock to them anyways for a little bit more speed, theyre going for 80$ on ebay for the 2400-2666 sticks, so 16x32 config for 256gb ram in octa channel per cpu for 512gb total. Ebay is your friend here for really good deals on server stuff

[Demokles]

12 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

I would think contacting the software vendor and asking what specs they suggest, might at least point you in the right direction.

 

I did reach out, but getting back to me seems to be difficult. And their website is no real help either since their "recommended" spec seems fitting for minecraft and not the workload we're putting it through.

 

3 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Multi core or single core workload?

 

Cause at this budget id just reccomend you to buy a pair for epyc 7d12 32 core (~800$ each) and a giga mz72 dual socket sp3 board (~1000$), dont worry about the low freq cause you can just use a modded zenstates to lock all cores to a higher turbo, maybe even lock them all to single core turbo at 3ghz. And 32gb ecc ddr4 is pretty cheap for a low speed stuff like 2400 or 2666 and you can just do a minor overclock to them anyways for a little bit more speed, theyre going for 80$ on ebay for the 2400-2666 sticks, so 16x32 config for 256gb ram in octa channel per cpu for 512gb total. Ebay is your friend here for really good deals on server stuff

We can't really tell tbh. Everything from vram to cpu is challenged on our current workstation (laptop since we're mobile 90% of the time) so everything seems to be bottlenecked on a Zbook g7. But i'm glad i turned to LTT. Can't see where i'd get such advice anywhere else.

I'll see if our IT guys can stich something like this setup together!

Will this also do visuals? I've worked on server grade stuff before and they were great with simulations, but lagged heavily in day to day tasks like filetransfers for some reason.
 

[Radium_Angel]

4 hours ago, Demokles said:

laptop since we're mobile 90% of the time

Need to stay mobile? But need more power?

https://www.theportablepc.com/

 

 

[brob]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K 3.2 GHz 16-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (kr0.00) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5200 CL38 Memory 
Storage: Kingston KC3000 1.024 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive 
Video Card: PNY Quadro RTX 5000 16 GB Video Card  (kr0.00) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (kr0.00) 
Total: kr0.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-01-21 23:01 CET+0100

[Demokles]

11 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

Need to stay mobile? But need more power?

https://www.theportablepc.com/

 

 

I was expecting that to be a joke like lmgtfy.com, but as it turns out, that was actually very helpful! We work offshore, and that environment isn't really suited for g7's.

10 hours ago, brob said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K 3.2 GHz 16-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (kr0.00) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5200 CL38 Memory 
Storage: Kingston KC3000 1.024 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive 
Video Card: PNY Quadro RTX 5000 16 GB Video Card  (kr0.00) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (kr0.00) 
Total: kr0.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-01-21 23:01 CET+0100

Thank you for your input! Quadro cards are made for CAD work right? That suits the vXelements portion well, but why a 5000 and not a, let's say, 8000? Is there a disadvantage in speccing differently?

[Radium_Angel]

4 hours ago, Demokles said:

I was expecting that to be a joke like lmgtfy.com, but as it turns out, that was actually very helpful! We work offshore, and that environment isn't really suited for g7's.

I would never (well almost never...okay, I goof on people a lot) goof on you when you have a serious request,  As it turns out, I've used that site when people want a high-end system, but they have no idea what they need but they want a super hardcore ultra mega laptop with an RTX 4million OC super ++ unlocked but need 28 year battery life and it can't weigh more than 6 ounces with a full-sized mechanical RGB keyboard on a 12" screen. (And yes, I've answered more than one request with requirements like that...pipe dreams all of them)

 

But to be serious for a moment, if the program needs serious horsepower, a portable PC might be what you need. 

And if this website is accurate:

https://www.innovmetric.com/products/polyworks-reviewer/technical-specifications

 

Their system requirements are very old indeed.

4 hours ago, Demokles said:

Quadro cards are made for CAD work right?

Quadro cards are made for programs that demand absolute numbers accuracy, engineering, architectural, 3D design.

4 hours ago, Demokles said:

Is there a disadvantage in speccing differently?

Possibly only diminishing returns, ie where the software won't benefit from any more power thrown at it. But if it's not your money.....

 

[brob]

6 hours ago, Demokles said:

Thank you for your input! Quadro cards are made for CAD work right? That suits the vXelements portion well, but why a 5000 and not a, let's say, 8000? Is there a disadvantage in speccing differently?

 

I chose the RTX 5000 based on cost. A higher performance GPU may be of real benefit but an RTX 8000 is roughly 80% of the stated budget.

[Demokles]

4 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

I would never (well almost never...okay, I goof on people a lot) goof on you when you have a serious request,  As it turns out, I've used that site when people want a high-end system, but they have no idea what they need but they want a super hardcore ultra mega laptop with an RTX 4million OC super ++ unlocked but need 28 year battery life and it can't weigh more than 6 ounces with a full-sized mechanical RGB keyboard on a 12" screen. (And yes, I've answered more than one request with requirements like that...pipe dreams all of them)

 

But to be serious for a moment, if the program needs serious horsepower, a portable PC might be what you need. 

And if this website is accurate:

https://www.innovmetric.com/products/polyworks-reviewer/technical-specifications

 

Their system requirements are very old indeed.

We are in all honesty at the point where we just throw money in the dark at pc's and hope something sticks. Despite being all so nerdy about tech myself, when it comes to speccing out a pc for something but mondane tasks, i'm about as useful as vaseline on a stripper pole. It's a funny situation we're in btw. The tech is super, but the guys handling it are welders by trade and not necessarily it-oriented. It does offer some .. obstructions ..  on certain subjects.  

I ran the idea of a portable PC by my boss a couple of hours ago, and he wasn't negative to the notion. He did however do the boss-thing "how much is it?" and i'm betting its not free. We have to guys on the rigs erect tents and shit for us, like the princesses that we are, but either way, the gear isn't meant for that environment.

 

I got let in to Innovmetrics' technical support area, but i am none the wiser. From other user i can however tell that they (innovmetric) have been overly optimistic in their suggested hardware. I might need to have another look at Quadro cards by the look of it.

 

But maybe you can enlighten me on this one; i was considering something as mondane as Threadrippers. I figured the high core count combined with tons and tons of ram to "ram" data to the ripper would be an obvious solution. How am i wrong here? 

 

3 hours ago, brob said:

 

I chose the RTX 5000 based on cost. A higher performance GPU may be of real benefit but an RTX 8000 is roughly 80% of the stated budget.

Hesus almighty they're expensive. I'll suggest an 8000 as the first solution - then a 6000 won't sound so bad.  

[Radium_Angel]

1 hour ago, Demokles said:

i was considering something as mondane as Threadrippers

Well the problem here is if the software isn't multi-core aware, then you've wasted a LOT of money for nothing. There are a number of programs out there that were never programmed to take advantage of more than 4 cores and so high end Xeons and Threadrippers are wasted.

Have you looked aorund the web to see what other people are using, and if the software is multi-core aware or can take advantage of the high end GPUs.

[Radium_Angel]

https://www.topflightpc.com/the-big-little-scan-processor

and

https://www.laserscanningforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16610

 

The other option for you (and it's a weird one)

Take the software down to someplace like Best Buy or a local custom repair/builder shop, ask to install on one of their demo models and see how it runs. That could give you a ballpark idea of what specs you need to be in (high core count vs high end GPU, etc)

 

Might help fine-tune both budget, and expectations.