Looking for a 3080ti or 3090 FE, EVGA, FTWULTRA, or STRIX. For rendering in 3D. Building an entire system around it. WILL NOT PAY SCALPERS!!!

[CT854]

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

And the scalpers always get to the door first.

Does your Micro Center not do the lottery system? All the ones in my area have that system and have implemented it for a while.

[jones177]

I got two 3080 tis at MSRP using the Newegg Shuffle. 

A 3080, 3080 ti and 3090 on Auto Notifies. All at MSRP.

 

Getting cards the conventual way at MSRP isn't a thing any more.

[TECHNOMANCER303]

33 minutes ago, tikker said:

The pandemic isn't over and society hasn't recovered yet. Companies saying we'll be stuck with this for at least some time in 2022 still aren't just saying that to keep pricing high. It's the unfortunate reality.

 

If you want one now you'll have to go camp outside Best Buys, hunt for MSRP priced cards online through various groups (they do pop up from time to time, I had the option to buy a 3080 Ti for MSRP the other day) or pay more than MSRP.

That is incorrect. Any shortages are artificial at this point. Lots of companies have fully recovered. 

[TECHNOMANCER303]

11 minutes ago, CT854 said:

Does your Micro Center not do the lottery system? All the ones in my area have that system and have implemented it for a while.

They sign up the line out the door

[RAS_3885]

51 minutes ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

That is incorrect. Any shortages are artificial at this point. Lots of companies have fully recovered. 

Some have recovered, yes, but there are still absolutely supply chain shortages affecting many industries.

[tikker]

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

That is incorrect. Any shortages are artificial at this point. Lots of companies have fully recovered. 

Lots of companies have also perished, but sure, number of sales are higher than last year because of artificially created shortages, companies are swimming in money from not selling stock and fabs are not at capacity at all. The world is bigger than a few GPU companies and lots of disruptions still remain.

 

https://www.semiconductors.org/global-semiconductor-sales-increase-29-7-year-to-year-3-3-month-to-month-in-august/

https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-releases/gpu-shipments-soar-in-q2-year-over-year/

https://www.techpowerup.com/287076/the-new-chip-shortage-is-passive-components?cp=1

https://www.techpowerup.com/289096/report-ddr5-already-facing-production-issues-in-wake-of-global-chip-shortages

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-tsmc-warns-chip-shortage-continue-through-2022

 

Why are some people so adamant in denying the situation? "Oh no there is no stock and everything is expensive, must be malicious intent and surely not the result of an on-going pandemic that's been wrecking the world for nearly two years now". This is not something you recover from in a few months.

[CT854]

15 minutes ago, tikker said:

Why are some people so adamant in denying the situation? "Oh no there is no stock and everything is expensive, must be malicious intent and surely not the result of an on-going pandemic that's been wrecking the world for nearly two years now". This is not something you recover from in a few months.

Hanlon's Razor 101, though I guess instead of "incompetence" per se it's more "the shortcomings of short-sighted international logistical chains".

[IkeaGnome]

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

That is incorrect. Any shortages are artificial at this point. Lots of companies have fully recovered. 

Even if that was true, there's still issues with containers not going back to China, and the cost of containers because of that. Of course things are going to be hard to get and more expensive.

Spoiler

 

[Slizzo]

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

That is incorrect. Any shortages are artificial at this point. Lots of companies have fully recovered. 

Yes, that's why all the major car manufacturers are parking vehicles off the assembly lines because they can't get their hands on the chips that they need in order to complete the vehicles.

[tikker]

1 hour ago, CT854 said:

Hanlon's Razor 101, though I guess instead of "incompetence" per se it's more "the shortcomings of short-sighted international logistical chains".

Is it even short-sightedness? You can't, or at least don't, prepare for a pandemic-level disrupting event and once such a thing hits it is too late.

[IkeaGnome]

8 minutes ago, tikker said:

Is it even short-sightedness? You can't, or at least don't, prepare for a pandemic-level disrupting event and once such a thing hits it is too late.

I think that's somewhat debatable. Don't get me wrong. This would still be a huge hit to supply chains, but if "Just in time" wasn't a thing and stuff was actually stored in warehouses we might have floated along for a little while longer than we did. We'd still be in a rough spot this far in, but maybe if people weren't panic buying....

[tikker]

6 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

I think that's somewhat debatable. Don't get me wrong. This would still be a huge hit to supply chains, but if "Just in time" wasn't a thing and stuff was actually stored in warehouses we might have floated along for a little while longer than we did. We'd still be in a rough spot this far in, but maybe if people weren't panic buying....

Yeah stockpiling is good. We're kind of the victim of our own success there, especially with tech which is already outdated the moment it rolls of the production line. We've built everything around stuff arriving relatively quickly and iterating over models yearly. Even we as consumers are spoiled with "same day delivery" and such.

 

It's a gambling game in the end, which I will guess surely is driven by money for the main part. I could imagine stocking 1 or 2 months, but nobody I think will expect to be and plan for being cut off from a supplier for as long as we saw now nor it combined with an absolutely massive surge in demand.

 

For GPUs specifically, sure we could stockpile 6 months (arbitrary number) worth of 3080s, but would you if Jensen's oven will bake a new batch every month, they'll sell like hotcakes, and by the end of the year it successor will be there already? We'd probably have had similar headlines with "<company> holding back thousands of GPUs" with accompanying conspiracy theories as to why. Honestly I would have no objection against a monthly limit in normal times as well. It's unlikely you'll need to buy say more than 6 GPUs per month as a consumer.

[IkeaGnome]

50 minutes ago, tikker said:

Yeah stockpiling is good. We're kind of the victim of our own success there, especially with tech which is already outdated the moment it rolls of the production line. We've built everything around stuff arriving relatively quickly and iterating over models yearly. Even we as consumers are spoiled with "same day delivery" and such.

Stockpiling is my job. It's become a lot more difficult even for hard parts(cylinders, pins, bushings, windows) and not chip related parts (I/O modules, ECU/BCMs etc). It's getting better, but we still have obnoxious lead times on stuff that we didn't used to. A grader sat down for almost 5 months this year waiting on a hydraulic valve body. 

 

51 minutes ago, tikker said:

It's a gambling game in the end, which I will guess surely is driven by money for the main part. I could imagine stocking 1 or 2 months, but nobody I think will expect to be and plan for being cut off from a supplier for as long as we saw now nor it combined with an absolutely massive surge in demand.

1 or 2 months is about what I've bumped my warehouse up to. I'm currently closer to 4 on a lot of parts since holidays are coming up. Thanksgiving and Christmas weeks we won't get a barge in. New Year's we'll get a small one(as people go back to work in our supply chain). 

I understand this is a tech forum and people are here for tech, but it's not just tech that's having issues. Sometimes it seems like people here(not saying you) assume it's only computer parts. 

55 minutes ago, tikker said:

but would you if Jensen's oven will bake a new batch every month,

No, I don't think any sane company would. I'm using arbitrary numbers here. If you estimate a 12 month demand on a product with 10,000 units sold a month, and 50,000 sold launch month, what makes more sense, Stock piling 160,000 units and hoping they all sell and possibly have units you can't sell later on? Or, start production, Have 41,000 units set aside for launch month and then glide by with making 10k per month for 12 months. One takes a lot less labor over all. The other takes oddly timed labor. "We'll hire you for 18 hour days for 5 months and then you're all laid off for 7 months until the next unit is released" 

[TECHNOMANCER303]

22 hours ago, RAS_3885 said:

Some have recovered, yes, but there are still absolutely supply chain shortages affecting many industries.

My point more or less is you figure it out. Your business depends on it. Do or die

[TECHNOMANCER303]

22 hours ago, tikker said:

Lots of companies have also perished, but sure, number of sales are higher than last year because of artificially created shortages, companies are swimming in money from not selling stock and fabs are not at capacity at all. The world is bigger than a few GPU companies and lots of disruptions still remain.

 

https://www.semiconductors.org/global-semiconductor-sales-increase-29-7-year-to-year-3-3-month-to-month-in-august/

https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-releases/gpu-shipments-soar-in-q2-year-over-year/

https://www.techpowerup.com/287076/the-new-chip-shortage-is-passive-components?cp=1

https://www.techpowerup.com/289096/report-ddr5-already-facing-production-issues-in-wake-of-global-chip-shortages

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-tsmc-warns-chip-shortage-continue-through-2022

 

Why are some people so adamant in denying the situation? "Oh no there is no stock and everything is expensive, must be malicious intent and surely not the result of an on-going pandemic that's been wrecking the world for nearly two years now". This is not something you recover from in a few months.

Actually u can recover very fast, pandemic is also exaggerated heavily and made to be political and instead of health issue. Where I am its all politics. No science. Having worked at the largest company in the world I speak from experience that we can recover in months. No supply chain issues were found other than when our MC factory went down to a storm and recovered in a week. Our main line was shut down due to a politician. 

[TECHNOMANCER303]

22 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Even if that was true, there's still issues with containers not going back to China, and the cost of containers because of that. Of course things are going to be hard to get and more expensive.

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Shipping and logistics is a whole other issue. But again where I am its all politics. 

[TECHNOMANCER303]

21 hours ago, Slizzo said:

Yes, that's why all the major car manufacturers are parking vehicles off the assembly lines because they can't get their hands on the chips that they need in order to complete the vehicles.

This is part of the actual BS you are a billion dollar company and you cant figure it out??? your job is to make and sell cars and you failed. The car business is a scam anyways. The model is old and people hate it. none wants to buy a car the old way. I personally cant own a depreciating asset like that. Some people even pay 10k above sticker which is on top of the dealer shenanigan's and pre 2020 markups.  

[TECHNOMANCER303]

19 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Stockpiling is my job. It's become a lot more difficult even for hard parts(cylinders, pins, bushings, windows) and not chip related parts (I/O modules, ECU/BCMs etc). It's getting better, but we still have obnoxious lead times on stuff that we didn't used to. A grader sat down for almost 5 months this year waiting on a hydraulic valve body. 

 

1 or 2 months is about what I've bumped my warehouse up to. I'm currently closer to 4 on a lot of parts since holidays are coming up. Thanksgiving and Christmas weeks we won't get a barge in. New Year's we'll get a small one(as people go back to work in our supply chain). 

I understand this is a tech forum and people are here for tech, but it's not just tech that's having issues. Sometimes it seems like people here(not saying you) assume it's only computer parts. 

No, I don't think any sane company would. I'm using arbitrary numbers here. If you estimate a 12 month demand on a product with 10,000 units sold a month, and 50,000 sold launch month, what makes more sense, Stock piling 160,000 units and hoping they all sell and possibly have units you can't sell later on? Or, start production, Have 41,000 units set aside for launch month and then glide by with making 10k per month for 12 months. One takes a lot less labor over all. The other takes oddly timed labor. "We'll hire you for 18 hour days for 5 months and then you're all laid off for 7 months until the next unit is released" 

Honestly the bigger issue here is domestic independence. Imports are great and saves lots of money. Automating the chain and speeding the manufacturing process is essential. If we have the raw material and the capability to use it we can make anything and if we learn to do it fast then we are fine. A lot of businesses are stuck in their old ways and need to catch up to reality. We cant live in a world where I can buy something in less than 1sec and send email but cant buy shoes.

[zeros]

I've given up on it, look at my signature, nice PC and peripherals but using a 2014 GPU, the 3080FE for £650 was my choice but definitely not going to pay double that. Sad thing is my laptop works better for games than my PC for this reason .

[tikker]

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

Actually u can recover very fast, pandemic is also exaggerated heavily and made to be political and instead of health issue. Where I am its all politics. No science. Having worked at the largest company in the world I speak from experience that we can recover in months. No supply chain issues were found other than when our MC factory went down to a storm and recovered in a week. Our main line was shut down due to a politician. 

A pandemic that affects the entire world is on a completely different level than an outage due to a storm that just affects you. If you have indeed worked for "the largest company in the world" then you should also realis that that is a major factor in why they are able to recover so quickly. They are by no means representative.

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

This is part of the actual BS you are a billion dollar company and you cant figure it out??? your job is to make and sell cars and you failed. The car business is a scam anyways. The model is old and people hate it. none wants to buy a car the old way. I personally cant own a depreciating asset like that. Some people even pay 10k above sticker which is on top of the dealer shenanigan's and pre 2020 markups.  

Right, the automotive company is a failure, because the supply chain that delivers their resources to build them got disrupted. I guess that means chip manufacturers have failed, because there is way more demand than fab space, and even components (resistors, transistors etc.) are in short supply with a disruption on top, so that must mean the raw material miners have failed because they didn't manage to simply keep up delivery during a dangerous pandemic. [to clarify, this is not my opinion in the slightest and meant to argue this isn't a simple failure of a single thing]

  

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

My point more or less is you figure it out. Your business depends on it. Do or die

Then what are you complaining about for pricing? Businesses are exercising "do or die" and that means the stock they do have they sell at higher prices. If those few minutes you'll shave off your already small 30 minutes render time are as worth it to you as your OP implies you'd "do or die"   yourself and simply bite the bullet. I'd love to see you manage a global pandemic and fix the entire world's supply chains in a week as if it was merely a storm, like that large company you worked for.

  

1 hour ago, TECHNOMANCER303 said:

Honestly the bigger issue here is domestic independence. Imports are great and saves lots of money. Automating the chain and speeding the manufacturing process is essential. If we have the raw material and the capability to use it we can make anything and if we learn to do it fast then we are fine. A lot of businesses are stuck in their old ways and need to catch up to reality. We cant live in a world where I can buy something in less than 1sec and send email but cant buy shoes.

You talk as if it's just hitting the turbo button and we're done. Why do you think all these new fabs have been announced? Production is already over its limits. We can't speed up or produce more. It'll take years to do that, which at the same time runs the risk of heavy overproduction when we return to normal and demand subsides to typical levels.

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, tikker said:

raw material miners have failed

I know that was sarcasm, but that hurt. Our production is at record highs. From what I've heard from others in the industry, any mines that managed to not close down due to restrictions are all doing really well as long as they can source parts and their other needed goods. My company did have to shut down a mine in Canada due to it, but the other 7 or 8 are all doing really well. 

[tikker]

5 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

I know that was sarcasm, but that hurt. Our production is at record highs. From what I've heard from others in the industry, any mines that managed to not close down due to restrictions are all doing really well as long as they can source parts and their other needed goods. My company did have to shut down a mine in Canada due to it, but the other 7 or 8 are all doing really well. 

Oh yeah that's not my opinion at all. It was purely to illustrate the ridiculousness of saying a company has failed because it couldn't keep up with demand during the pandemic, for reasons out of their hands. Companies and people are doing the best they can to cope with the situation. I have full respect for all the people involved trying to keep everything going.

[TECHNOMANCER303]

17 minutes ago, tikker said:

Oh yeah that's not my opinion at all. It was purely to illustrate the ridiculousness of saying a company has failed because it couldn't keep up with demand during the pandemic, for reasons out of their hands. Companies and people are doing the best they can to cope with the situation. I have full respect for all the people involved trying to keep everything going.

But its not out of their hands, you pivot your strategies. thousands of business pivoted to ecommerce when retail was wiped out. I am grateful to finally have retail take a hit. It was needed. Retail is also different from restaurants which is an experience that cant be replaced. 

[TECHNOMANCER303]

24 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

I know that was sarcasm, but that hurt. Our production is at record highs. From what I've heard from others in the industry, any mines that managed to not close down due to restrictions are all doing really well as long as they can source parts and their other needed goods. My company did have to shut down a mine in Canada due to it, but the other 7 or 8 are all doing really well. 

All of this was just a wake up call. pre pan we weren't making enough for the coming increase in demand. the pan only showed us this. we are already making more than we ever have but we need to 10x that. Its not sustainable to continue like this. We cant grow as a species. We aren't even a type 1 civilization yet.

[TECHNOMANCER303]

1 hour ago, zeros said:

I've given up on it, look at my signature, nice PC and peripherals but using a 2014 GPU, the 3080FE for £650 was my choice but definitely not going to pay double that. Sad thing is my laptop works better for games than my PC for this reason .

I finally got a 3080ti strix for msrp. too good to be true? idk but its real and in my hands. only problem is i wanted the fe