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Pci-e Riser for RAID card or 10GBe card

travislongley
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I am building a "Server" for recording security camera footage and it has the following relevant: ASUS B450M-A2 and a LSI 9260-8i with 6x 4TB Drives attached.

 

I have the card in the x16 pci-e slot but am wanting to put in a 10GBe Card. Would it be best to use a 1x riser for the RAID card or a 1x riser for the GBe Card? I already have a drive in the M.2 slot as well...

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10 minutes ago, travislongley said:

but am wanting to put in a 10GBe Card

What's your objective with putting in the 10G card?

 

Your array (assuming it has a logical RAID level) will cap out at ~200-300MBps which will saturate 1G, but not at all 10G. You can get PCIe x1 2.5G LAN cards fairly reasonably priced which is probably more in line with the performance you're likely to see.

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Network:

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                           ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ────── UniFi Security Gateway ─── UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Veda (Proxmox Virtual Switch)
(500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓)                             UniFi CloudKey Gen2 (PoE) ─┴─ Veda (IPMI)           ╠═ Veda-NAS (HW Passthrough NIC)
╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Narrative (Asus USB 2.5G NIC)
║ ┌────── Closet ──────┐   ┌─────────────── Bedroom ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
╚═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╤═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Byarlant
   (PoE)                 │                        ╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters USB-PD 2.5G Ethernet Dongle)
                         │                        ╚═ Jesta Cannon*
                         │ ┌─────────────── Media Center ──────────────────────────────────┐
Notes:                   └─ UniFi Switch 8 ─────────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE)
═══ is Multi-Gigabit                                ├─ Sony Playstation 4 
─── is Gigabit                                      ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed to Bedroom from Media Center       ├─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
** = cable passed from Media Center to Bedroom      └─ Work Laptop** (Startech USB-PD Dock)

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6 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

What's your objective with putting in the 10G card?

 

Your array (assuming it has a logical RAID level) will cap out at ~200-300MBps which will saturate 1G, but not at all 10G. You can get PCIe x1 2.5G LAN cards fairly reasonably priced which is probably more in line with the performance you're likely to see.

I did not think about that. I need to lookup my video requirements. I am using 10x POE 8MP cameras recording to milestone. I am thinking the incoming streams will saturate it. Below are the bandwidth calculations for those cameras..

 

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The Data recording will be after it's processed and not copied directly over the server. Will any 10GBe switch negotiate the 2.5G connection? I already purchased a Dell N3024 as it was fairly priced. I could also get two of those cards and bridge them for 5Ge.

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39 minutes ago, travislongley said:

I did not think about that. I need to lookup my video requirements. I am using 10x POE 8MP cameras recording to milestone. I am thinking the incoming streams will saturate it. Below are the bandwidth calculations for those cameras..

 

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The Data recording will be after it's processed and not copied directly over the server. Will any 10GBe switch negotiate the 2.5G connection? I already purchased a Dell N3024 as it was fairly priced. I could also get two of those cards and bridge them for 5Ge.

I think your gettings bytes and bits confused.

 

Thats less than 1/9th of what the onboard network card on the board can handle, a gigabit network will be more than plenty here, no need for 10gbe.

 

Why get a raid card? Id just plug those drives directly into the board and use software raid. Id also go fewer bigger drives.

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46 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

I think your gettings bytes and bits confused.

 

Thats less than 1/9th of what the onboard network card on the board can handle, a gigabit network will be more than plenty here, no need for 10gbe.

 

Why get a raid card? Id just plug those drives directly into the board and use software raid. Id also go fewer bigger drives.

I am going to go the 2.5G plan at this point. I wanted raid 5 as I am offering this as a service and want to make sure there is no data loss; and also future proof if any more suites jump on. I am suite 2 out of 21 and suite 1 is a restaurant and I am building this for 8 cams for the the restaurant. But will house this in my shop and may have lots more suites contribute to have cams put in at their suites if paid for, then I already have the machine in place to just keep adding. The per Gig price was best at 4TB drives for $72. 

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1 minute ago, travislongley said:

I am going to go the 2.5G plan at this point. I wanted raid 5 as I am offering this as a service and want to make sure there is no data loss; and also future proof if any more suites jump on. I am suite 2 out of 21 and suite 1 is a restaurant and I am building this for 8 cams for the the restaurant. But will house this in my shop and may have lots more suites contribute to have cams put in at their suites if paid for, then I already have the machine in place to just keep adding. The per Gig price was best at 4TB drives for $72. 

If your are offering this as a service, Id get a new raid card, those are pretty old now. Also make sure to get the raid card batter.

 

Id really get software raid here, you can do raid 5 in software, and it normally works better.

 

Why get 2.5gbe, your still wasting your money. The onboard nic is still 9x faster than what your workload needs. What network switch are you using?

 

But with fewer drives you use less power, need less drive bays, and need less raid card ports.

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