Which to choose (Linux)

[LBrocato]

Pop!_OS is ubuntu with some tweeks and not even goood tweeks for  that matter  you might as well you Linux mint  at lest  you have choice of xfc ,mate and cinnamon desktop  environment and linux mint block snap app 

 

 

 

[MrXeno]

5 minutes ago, LBrocato said:

Pop!_OS is ubuntu with some tweeks and not even goood tweeks for  that matter  you might as well you Linux mint  at lest  you have choice of xfc ,mate and cinnamon desktop  environment and linux mint block snap app 

 

 

 

It seems to work fine for my need. I have just changed it to flatpack as most of the programs I need has a flatpack version

I generally just need something that works and doesn't require me to do a lot of terminal work for day to day use

 

When it comes to xfc, mate etc. I generally don't like them because of me not being use to them. I was one of the few that liked Unity interface for Ubuntu. But gnome does most of what I need and has a easy UX/UI flow

 

I generally don't care about if the package is snap or flat. Just need to work pretty much

 

The main reason I went with Pop!_OS for the next week is because of pre-installed nVidia drivers so less work for me

[LBrocato]

8 hours ago, idkfelix said:

I do use gentoo, but for someone who is used to binary packages taking up to an hour to install a browser is not going to be a good recommendation 

i was never recommending gentoo, or slaxware. seen people really like arch that would recommend it to a new user. The big problem  new users  dont know how to use timeshift  screeen shots if a problem was to happen and back things up on a hard drive .

[LBrocato]

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[idkfelix]

5 hours ago, LBrocato said:

i was never recommending gentoo, or slaxware. seen people really like arch that would recommend it to a new user. The big problem  new users  dont know how to use timeshift  screeen shots if a problem was to happen and back things up on a hard drive .

kbackup

[flindeberg]

On 10/18/2021 at 7:46 PM, MrXeno said:

Gaming - steam games and Epic

Since you are using Nvidia and want to game you should be aware that the 495 drivers just went beta. This combined with the latest RCs of Wayland and XWayland provide a very good experience running Wayland.
 

However, this would require some know-how to use, and I’d recommend a tinker friendly distro, like arch or Gentoo, since you have to compile several dependencies on your own. 

 

I would guess that these improvements hit Debian / Ubuntu derivatives at 22.04.

 

If Wayland is not of interest, or you are unsure of what Wayland is, just ignore my comment.

[MrXeno]

22 minutes ago, flindeberg said:

Since you are using Nvidia and want to game you should be aware that the 495 drivers just went beta. This combined with the latest RCs of Wayland and XWayland provide a very good experience running Wayland.
 

However, this would require some know-how to use, and I’d recommend a tinker friendly distro, like arch or Gentoo, since you have to compile several dependencies on your own. 

 

I would guess that these improvements hit Debian / Ubuntu derivatives at 22.04.

 

If Wayland is not of interest, or you are unsure of what Wayland is, just ignore my comment.

I have seen Wayland throughts its 21.04 non-LTS side of things (the auto domain join feature is looking good).

isn't 22.04 scheduled for April 2022 as it always been with .04 releases or am i getting old at this point? lol

I can always switch over to 21.04 if I want to try it out again

[lacek]

On 10/18/2021 at 7:46 PM, MrXeno said:

"Which distro to pick for general use"

It (almost) doesn't matter. There are two competing ideologies: 6-24 months versions (like Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora), and "rolling distros" (Debian Sid, Arch). The former give less chances of update screwing things up (then it is not very small, but becomes supe-small). The price to pay is that you have to wait for another release cycle to get a major update of your software. For example  my mail client (Evolution) is currently unable to synchronize contacts from Google (Google has changed API), and I can't just update it, I have to wait till April, when Gnome 42 will be released. On Debian Sid one can install the "development" version of the Evolution which has the necessary update.

 

I am using Ubuntu but I would gladly transition to Debian Sid.

 

On 10/20/2021 at 6:55 AM, 10leej said:

I didn't say anything about the distros being hard. I'm saying you should make the concious decision to use them. Not the blind one.

Yes!

On 10/20/2021 at 8:04 PM, MrXeno said:

ubuntu which seems to be the stable one of the bunch but also the one with the best support in gerenal when it comes to fixing issues.

They do not update all the packagesthey ship in the LTS though. If you are on LTS they you typically get simple bugfixes, not new versions.

 

[gudvinr]

If you want fresh software and frequent updates - openSUSE Tumbleweed. Try to avoid Arch and especially Manjaro.

 

If you don't like to take risks but still want new software, Fedora and Ubuntu are perfect. Doesn't really matter which one because experience will be mostly identical.

openSUSE Leap is good too but Fedora/Ubuntu just have more information available.

 

Debian is a little conservative because major software updates happen once a year (maintenance releases and fixes are still coming as needed!) but it's very reliable.

 

Ubuntu LTS and Linux Mint are even slower but good enough for people who want little maintenance or for long-running operations like home servers.

If you aren't sure that you can keep yourself from trying fresh stuff, try to avoid these then. Seriously, it is easy to end up not being able to update to next major release that way.

 

And if possible, try to avoid packages from non-builtin repositories no matter where.

[Tang Li]

I am going to be VERY honest. I spent a whole week on Linux recently because I was also excited about the Gaming Experience... I just wanted to taste it... 

 

Do not change from Windows to Linux yet... Proton is not what it will be yet... Wait for steam deck to come out first... Even after, it might take a few months if not longer to get things going... 

 

If you want to play AAA titles with anti cheats for example... Hang tight... I am in the same boat as you. The day Linux can run all the AAA games I play out of the box, I have given my self the commitment to make Visual Studio 2019 FULL IDE to run on Linux. I will dedicate my time to make it work because right now, the only thing that is holding me back is Visual Studio 2019 ... vs code just doesn't do it for me. I want to spend every second coding, not working around or editing task files.

 

But yes my friend, hang tight !

 

 

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I forgot to mention the most important

 

If you switch anyway... PLEASE.... stay away from POP OS. It is PURE GARBAGE, PERIOD.

[LBrocato]

you can be on stable lts version of any distro and get updated software thought 3rd party app centers and apps like flatpak  and appimage. even app software developers wbset example you can get latest  LibraOffice at https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/  . where you maybe worried about is  latest graphic driver, media codec ,kernel, security patches and maybe desktop environment.

 

[MrXeno]

On 10/23/2021 at 6:35 AM, LBrocato said:

you can be on stable lts version of any distro and get updated software thought 3rd party app centers and apps like flatpak  and appimage. even app software developers wbset example you can get latest  LibraOffice at https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/  . where you maybe worried about is  latest graphic driver, media codec ,kernel, security patches and maybe desktop environment.

 

I am moving over to Flatpak as programs like Spotify has already moved over there permanent now. Flatpak seems easy to use so no big issue there.

[MrXeno]

On 10/23/2021 at 2:58 AM, Tang Li said:

I am going to be VERY honest. I spent a whole week on Linux recently because I was also excited about the Gaming Experience... I just wanted to taste it... 

 

Do not change from Windows to Linux yet... Proton is not what it will be yet... Wait for steam deck to come out first... Even after, it might take a few months if not longer to get things going... 

 

If you want to play AAA titles with anti cheats for example... Hang tight... I am in the same boat as you. The day Linux can run all the AAA games I play out of the box, I have given my self the commitment to make Visual Studio 2019 FULL IDE to run on Linux. I will dedicate my time to make it work because right now, the only thing that is holding me back is Visual Studio 2019 ... vs code just doesn't do it for me. I want to spend every second coding, not working around or editing task files.

 

But yes my friend, hang tight !

 

 

------- EDIT -----

I forgot to mention the most important

 

If you switch anyway... PLEASE.... stay away from POP OS. It is PURE GARBAGE, PERIOD.

Hmm I am on Pop!_OS right now (its ubuntu pretty much) and it seems fine for me. Why is it junk? 

I haven't had any issues with it for the last week now I have used it. I picked it because of the pre installed nVidia driver which was easier for me to deal with as I am lazy lol

 

but please explain to me why Pop!_OS is junk, I do wanna see if I need to hope distro or not

 

EDIT
I do have a windows 10 install on a disc I use for Ubisoft's shitty uplay game but I am most likely gonna do some VM stuff to get around it 

[MrXeno]

On 10/22/2021 at 9:34 PM, lacek said:

It (almost) doesn't matter. There are two competing ideologies: 6-24 months versions (like Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora), and "rolling distros" (Debian Sid, Arch). The former give less chances of update screwing things up (then it is not very small, but becomes supe-small). The price to pay is that you have to wait for another release cycle to get a major update of your software. For example  my mail client (Evolution) is currently unable to synchronize contacts from Google (Google has changed API), and I can't just update it, I have to wait till April, when Gnome 42 will be released. On Debian Sid one can install the "development" version of the Evolution which has the necessary update.

 

I am using Ubuntu but I would gladly transition to Debian Sid.

I have been thinking about giving Fedora Workstation a try. It seems stable enough for my needs.

I mostly just need A browser, Spotify, Email client, Steam and Nvidia Drivers which is easy to get hold of 

 

Any recommendations for Fedora you would give? I need something stable that just works like Windows just works out of the box pretty much

[gudvinr]

7 hours ago, MrXeno said:

I am moving over to Flatpak as programs like Spotify has already moved over there permanent now. Flatpak seems easy to use so no big issue there.

There are issues with snap/flatpak. Since these are basically isolated containers app can't access host directly. Thus, there's no easy way to apply system theme to such apps.

This is not the only issue but basically every problem you will have with flatpak because of poor integration with host environment.

[MrXeno]

3 hours ago, gudvinr said:

There are issues with snap/flatpak. Since these are basically isolated containers app can't access host directly. Thus, there's no easy way to apply system theme to such apps.

This is not the only issue but basically every problem you will have with flatpak because of poor integration with host environment.

Doesn't surprise me to be honest. I can live it with for now. If there is a major issue I can move over to Spotify's PPA if needed

 

I have been thinking about giving Fedora Workstation a try as I can upgrade Gnome easier but it seems to be more work to get steam / Wine to work on it but I don't know. never been a Fedora person. Any experiance with it?

[MrXeno]

So this is a fun turn of events. My Pop!_OS install is breaking the nVidia driver. The only thing I can really find is that System76 made a change the nVidia driver and it creates issues on itself if you don't run THERE hardware.... that seems great so far..... 

 

Would standard Ubuntu with a standard Nvidia driver better?

[Tang Li]

22 hours ago, MrXeno said:

Hmm I am on Pop!_OS right now (its ubuntu pretty much) and it seems fine for me. Why is it junk? 

I haven't had any issues with it for the last week now I have used it. I picked it because of the pre installed nVidia driver which was easier for me to deal with as I am lazy lol

 

but please explain to me why Pop!_OS is junk, I do wanna see if I need to hope distro or not

 

EDIT
I do have a windows 10 install on a disc I use for Ubisoft's shitty uplay game but I am most likely gonna do some VM stuff to get around it 

 

Why is it junk? It was junk for my hardware. I also downloaded the one recommended for NVIDIA.

Here is a link of my explanation:

 

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1382393-why-most-users-give-up-on-linux-on-their-first-try-stay-away-from-pop-os/

 

 

[gudvinr]

5 hours ago, MrXeno said:

Any experiance with it?

No, never had to use it for a long period of time. However, RPM Fusion is probably better than having bunch of PPAs which will break on every dist-upgrade.

You can use flatpak apps on Fedora too.

3 hours ago, MrXeno said:

Would standard Ubuntu with a standard Nvidia driver better?

System76 might be okay with supporting and testing their OS on their PC but it's too small company to make any effort on extensive testing for variety of hardware.

 

I stand by opinion that any niche derivative distro is complete junk in the long run (obligatory YMMV). If you want some peace, just stick to big-3: Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE. Pick whatever you like more, it doesn't matter that much, honestly. 3rd party developers usually like Ubuntu more but it isn't big issue to get whatever you want in RPM packages too.

In Fedora/SUSE your repository list will be probably a lot more clean though so it'll be easier to upgrade when time comes.

Mint isn't as bad and aged well too but you'll get better chances on getting help with Ubuntu probably/

[LBrocato]

Fedora or any things in red hat family is  more worst option when it come to NVIDIA drivers.  Personally Linux mint would best out of the box experience  just choice NVIDIA in the boot option when you go install it . if you like kde  Redcore linux a option . Red core linux is Gento with some binary packages on top user frinedly destop kde.  SUSE has media codec problems if you do not know about the 3rd party repository and printer problem  . GeckoLinux fix all the problems .their terminal commands can be confusing but u can skip the use of terminal for most thing cause they have a good gui tool for adding application and removing then .aswell as updateing of SUSE.