Dev/Gamming machine based on Ryzen

[Hooterr]

Budget (including currency): £1,000 (I'm actually going to buy that in Poland, but I will keep the prices in pounds since it is the closest to the prices in my country).

Country: Poland

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

In essence this machine is supposed to do everything from work to gaming. Right now I'm still rocking an old Dell workstation laptop with a 4th gen Intel i7 and it's going strong, but it's simply not enough work my workload.

Priority number 1 is software development work. I'm mainly working in .Net and Android, so I'm running Visual Studio, Rider, Android Studio, Android Emulators (that's very important for me), Docker, SQL Server or sometimes some VMs. I am aiming to run all of that with excellent performance. The main problem with my current machine isn't that it can't run all of that, but that it takes time to recompile projects, spin up emulators or sometimes it causes IDEs to freeze, which is not too bad but I find myself wasting quite a bit of time during the day due to performance of my machine. 

From that point of view I guess what matters is the CPU, which is why I want to go with 5900x, and pair that with a super fast gen4 SDD.

Priority number 2 4k video editing. Mainly drone footage, which right I can only watch but not edit with my Quadro K1100 . Again, I guess what matters is core count which is another another reason to go with Ryzen.

Priority number 3 gaming. AAA titles are not the first on the list though. I'm a bit more interested in esports titles like League of Legends in high refresh rates 144Hz min, 240Hz ideally. I will be using an old GTX960 for now and upgrade it with a RTX3080(ti*) in the future when if GPU prices settle down. I'm willing to drop a couple FPS in AAA games in favor of high refresh rate esports games. Which is yet another reason to go Ryzen am I right?

 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Initially, I want to get CPU, motherboard, RAM, PSU, and a cooler. 

I've already got a samsung 960 evo ssd as a boot drive and a GTX 960 as GPU for now, with intention of replacing it with a gen 4 ssd in the future.

The cooler is a placeholder to be honest, I want to replace that with an H170i for that extra quietness. Same for PSU, since for an RTX 3080 I will probably need a 1000W (or close). 

 

The RAM is the part I'm the most unsure about. I went with 3600 MHZ CL16, which from what I understand is already more than Ryzen supports, but people say it's pretty easy to hit 1900MHz on IF to run the memory in 1:1 ratio, which supposed to be "good".

I know that the speed of RAM is determined by the clock speed and the latency, but CL14 is so much more expensive. I don't really get it, so I really appreciate your advice here.

 

What I came up with:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Tmhx4d

[Eigenvektor]

8 minutes ago, Hooterr said:

The RAM is the part I'm the most unsure about. I went with 3600 MHZ CL16, which from what I understand is already more than Ryzen supports, but people say it's pretty easy to hit 1900MHz on IF to run the memory in 1:1 ratio, which supposed to be "good".

3600 MHz is perfectly fine for a Zen 3 CPU. 1900 MHz IF would be needed to hit 1:1 on 3800 MHz (1900x2). I think the sweet spot is 3733 MHz before you need to overclock the IF. However from what I've read, Zen 3 can do that more easily, older Ryzens will have more of an issue.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rpPLz7

Shaved 150£

 

Cheaper board cause x570 is uneccesary unless you run more than 1 gen4 nvme and/or run 2 gpus

 

Gen4 nvme is completely uneccesary unless you run server like tasks that require transferring massive files, though if you do need the high speeds then go for an mp600 or sn850 ssd

 

3200mhz ram cause 3200mhz cl16 is adequate for ryzen and you can save tons of money, not to mention 32gb 3200mhz has the same price of those overpriced tridentz neos

 

Upgraded psu to 850w

 

Upgraded cooler to liquid freezer 280 since it cools better than the d15 while being quieter

[Dr0idGh0sT]

32 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rpPLz7

Shaved 150£

 

Cheaper board cause x570 is uneccesary unless you run more than 1 gen4 nvme and/or run 2 gpus

 

Gen4 nvme is completely uneccesary unless you run server like tasks that require transferring massive files, though if you do need the high speeds then go for an mp600 or sn850 ssd

 

3200mhz ram cause 3200mhz cl16 is adequate for ryzen and you can save tons of money, not to mention 32gb 3200mhz has the same price of those overpriced tridentz neos

 

Upgraded psu to 850w

 

Upgraded cooler to liquid freezer 280 since it cools better than the d15 while being quieter

I agree in some parts, But completely disagree in others.

While X570 ain't necessary, 5900X does need good power delivery, So little better board would be better.

3600 CL16 RAMs ain't too far away, So 5900X of course it's better option.

That case is completely garbage.

So little edit.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hdkyj2

 

Edit:

@Hooterr You don't need 1000W for 3080, 850W is absolutely enough, So getting it now saves you from trouble of changing it later.

 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

While X570 ain't necessary, 5900X does need good power delivery, So little better board would be better.

3600 CL16 RAMs ain't too far away, So 5900X of course it's better option.

That case is completely garbage.

Not all x570 have good power delivery, though it just depends on what board you get, b550a pro will work just fine since op is most likely not gonna oc, then again its kinda lackluster in some areas like the networking but then theres the b550 tomahawk with a better vrm along with 2.5g ethernet + better ram ocing, check the mobo vrm tier list, it should give you some ideas on what boards to buy based on vrm, b550a pro falls in a class and b550 tomahawk i think falls in s- class or something like that, though i think the boards with the best vrms are the crosshair x570 boards, though they are super expensive and a b550xe or unify is abit cheaper with a similar vrm

 

3600mhz cl16 tends to be quite abit more expensive than 3200mhz cl16, plus you can always just overclock 3200mhz to 3600mhz anyways, even if you are lazy and dont overclock the rams theres not much of a performance diff, maybe ~3%

 

Why is the case i chose garbage? Bad build quality and/or airflow? Or something else?

[Dr0idGh0sT]

48 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Not all x570 have good power delivery, though it just depends on what board you get, b550a pro will work just fine since op is most likely not gonna oc, then again its kinda lackluster in some areas like the networking but then theres the b550 tomahawk with a better vrm along with 2.5g ethernet + better ram ocing, check the mobo vrm tier list, it should give you some ideas on what boards to buy based on vrm, b550a pro falls in a class and b550 tomahawk i think falls in s- class or something like that, though i think the boards with the best vrms are the crosshair x570 boards, though they are super expensive and a b550xe or unify is abit cheaper with a similar vrm

 

3600mhz cl16 tends to be quite abit more expensive than 3200mhz cl16, plus you can always just overclock 3200mhz to 3600mhz anyways, even if you are lazy and dont overclock the rams theres not much of a performance diff, maybe ~3%

 

Why is the case i chose garbage? Bad build quality and/or airflow? Or something else?

You didn't check list I made, Did you? 

[DeadDabster]

First of all I don't recommend putting a GTX 960 or a low-profiled GPU to a high end CPU because it might bottleneck the full system sometimes.

 

And by the way what is the size of the 960 SSD and I think its good if you put a HDD. (If you are putting oversized games to the SSD)

For the PSU I think 750W/850W is enough if you even put a RTX 3080 no need of 1000W PSU.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3QPNK3

I'm not sure about the CPU cooler I'm not good at that.

So by the way what about the monitor, keyboard, mouse and also I forgot to tell you in my PcPartPicker quotation the motherboard have wi-fi so no need to buy a separate one.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

23 minutes ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

You didn't check list I made, Did you? 

Nope ;-;

[Hooterr]

On 9/25/2021 at 6:31 PM, Nalina Artigala said:

First of all I don't recommend putting a GTX 960 or a low-profiled GPU to a high end CPU because it might bottleneck the full system sometimes.

Yup, I'm aware. I only need a GPU to connect the monitors at this point, and to play some light games. 3080 will be coming in the future.

 

To be honest I'm not really looking to save money 

The stuff like case and cooler, hard drives I will be picking up as a need them. I don't mind overpaying for a cool looking RGB coolers or cases, but that's another thread. Right now I just want to get the core of the system right, which is the CPU, motherboard and ram.

 

Is x570 that much of an overkill? If the power delivery is that much more important for Ryzen then wouldn't it be better to go with a more high-end board? Also I would like to have WiFi, Bluetooth and 2.5G LAN, also I'm gonna go gen4 ssd just for the sake of PCMR ;) I don't really mind paying a bit extra here. Also is the x570 chipset be more likely to support future Ryzen CPUs?

 

 

Regarding the RAM, 3600/16 seems to be the most popular set available (at least way more popular than 3800MHz), so if I understand that correctly that should work right out of the box without any overclocking? 3800MHz doesn't seem that much faster than 3600MHz, but 3200MHz vs 3600MHz seems more noticeable.