new build (first time from scratch) some help needed

[Untoldterrors]

Budget : £1000

Country: United Kingdom

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: mainly Destiny 2

Other details : have a Gtx1060 6GB (will be upgrading it at somepoint but not yet)

 i picked out some parts on Newegg any advice would be nice

https://newegg.io/d5769db

will probably end up shopping around on different sites once i have some more idea if i should change anything out, i had no real clue with case and fans

I'm currently running an I5 2500 with 16GB RAM and the gtx 1060GB which i am keeping, i am getting major frame drops which i can only see as the cpu being very underwhelming these days.

[jaslion]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pn92Xb

CPU: Intel Core i5-10400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£149.98 @ Novatech)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler  (£39.99 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B560-PLUS ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  (£107.99 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£62.99 @ Corsair UK)
Storage: Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£74.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P360A ATX Mid Tower Case  (£68.09 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£95.47 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £599.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-09-07 09:51 BST+0100

 

Good system with the option to go up to a 3070ti if you wish. Higher cards i'd recommend you get the 850w of the psu.

 

I don't know what you configured on newegg since I do not get e configuration just a basic configurator

[Untoldterrors]

if the new egg link doesnt work here is the list

Case :Fractal Design Meshify C White £67.99

Motherboard: MSI PRO B550-A PRO £99.99

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X £208.99

CPU Cooler :Noctua NH-D15S £67.99

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 £96.99

PSU: Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold £112.99

Storage: Western Digital WD BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 £92.99

Fans: Fractal Design Dynamic X2 GP-12 120mm Black Edition £32.97 3 @(£10.99 ea.)

Total : £780.90 with shipping and taxes :£1,057.53

[Herman Mcpootis]

23 minutes ago, Untoldterrors said:

if the new egg link doesnt work here is the list

Case :Fractal Design Meshify C White £67.99

Motherboard: MSI PRO B550-A PRO £99.99

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X £208.99

CPU Cooler :Noctua NH-D15S £67.99

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 £96.99

PSU: Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold £112.99

Storage: Western Digital WD BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 £92.99

Fans: Fractal Design Dynamic X2 GP-12 120mm Black Edition £32.97 3 @(£10.99 ea.)

Looks fine, but you don't need 32gb of ram for gaming.

[Untoldterrors]

Just now, Herman Mcpootis said:

Looks fine, but you don't need 32gb of ram for gaming.

it was more of a just incase moment, you never know and use cases might change

[Phantomcorgi94]

24 minutes ago, Untoldterrors said:

if the new egg link doesnt work here is the list

Case :Fractal Design Meshify C White £67.99

Motherboard: MSI PRO B550-A PRO £99.99

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X £208.99

CPU Cooler :Noctua NH-D15S £67.99

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 £96.99

PSU: Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold £112.99

Storage: Western Digital WD BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 £92.99

Fans: Fractal Design Dynamic X2 GP-12 120mm Black Edition £32.97 3 @(£10.99 ea.)

Total : £780.90 with shipping and taxes :£1,057.53

i reccomend ryzen and u can overclock if thats what ure into

 

pay the extra

 

[Phantomcorgi94]

also if u have an additional ssd or hdd laying around chuck them in

 

if hdd i reccomend chucking them into raid 0

[mariushm]

Go with a slightly better motherboard 

 

If you're lucky to get the B550 Aorus Pro at 110 pounds, you have 2.5gbps ethernet, ALC1220 sound, you have 3 m.2 connectors and you have wireless. Also has good VRM. 

But note that 2nd m.2 connector disables one pci-e x4 slot and the 3rd m.2 connector disables 2 sata ports, so it's not free, but at least you get flexibility.

Another decent board is the B550M Mortar which gives you 2.5gbps ethernet and ALC1200 onboard audio, which is better than old ALC892 on the motherboard you chose. 

 

Otherwise, the mATX version of the board is 10 pounds more and still good but the Tomohawk I mention below is a better deal, it has the extra usb type c front panel header and it's atx  : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/2Bwkcf/gigabyte-b550m-aorus-pro-p-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-aorus-pro-p

 

At around 120 pounds  you may pick  boards which have usb type c 10gbps header for front panel of case, if the case comes with such header - may want to look into that.

 

MSI B550 Tomohawk shows up at 120 and it's a good deal at that price : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3Mxbt6/msi-mag-b550-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550-tomahawk

 

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BhGb7X

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£243.75 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AC ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£109.99 @ Box Limited) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (£66.99 @ Corsair UK) 
Storage: Western Digital SN750 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£59.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue 6 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£129.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact White TG Clear Tint ATX Mid Tower Case  (£96.85 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£100.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £807.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

[Dr0idGh0sT]

29 minutes ago, Untoldterrors said:

if the new egg link doesnt work here is the list

Case :Fractal Design Meshify C White £67.99

Motherboard: MSI PRO B550-A PRO £99.99

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X £208.99

CPU Cooler :Noctua NH-D15S £67.99

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 £96.99

PSU: Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold £112.99

Storage: Western Digital WD BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 £92.99

Fans: Fractal Design Dynamic X2 GP-12 120mm Black Edition £32.97 3 @(£10.99 ea.)

This is good parts.

What is latency of that RAM sicks?

[Untoldterrors]

9 minutes ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

This is good parts.

What is latency of that RAM sicks?

• Timing 16-18-18-38
• CAS Latency 16

[Dr0idGh0sT]

33 minutes ago, Untoldterrors said:

• Timing 16-18-18-38
• CAS Latency 16

£97  is very cheap for that memory, definitely get it  

[mariushm]

Just now, Dr0idGh0sT said:

£97  is very cheap for that memory, definitely get it  

But it's only 3200 Mhz ....  3600 Mhz CL18 sticks are more or less same thing. You can drop them to 3200 Mhz and set them at CL 16 and they'll work. 

 

It is a cheap price, but some prices are a bit too good, like the CPU and the memory...  probably not the case, but it could be that newegg site not including VAT in the price?

[Dr0idGh0sT]

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

But it's only 3200 Mhz ....  3600 Mhz CL18 sticks are more or less same thing. You can drop them to 3200 Mhz and set them at CL 16 and they'll work. 

 

It is a cheap price, but some prices are a bit too good, like the CPU and the memory...  probably not the case, but it could be that newegg site not including VAT in the price?

IDK what newegg does, But if prices seem very good  

[Guest]

Newegg is based in the USA. The prices listed do not include VAT or shipping/customs charges etc. So for a UK based customer it is not worth it. 

 

The R5 5600X for example is listed as £208.99 by the op, but if you check the Newegg UK pcpartpicker price it is £250.79.

[Untoldterrors]

3 minutes ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

IDK what newegg does, But if prices seem very good  

they add the vat on after the fact so its £156.19VAT in all

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Untoldterrors said:

they add the vat on after the fact so its £156.19VAT in all

Don't bother with Newegg. Stick to UK based retailers.

[Untoldterrors]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wNjBMv

how is this? a little fine tuning.

the reason i was using newegg was because it wouldnt let me get into the uk partpicker side of the site so it was all USD

[Herman Mcpootis]

6 minutes ago, Untoldterrors said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wNjBMv

how is this? a little fine tuning.

the reason i was using newegg was because it wouldnt let me get into the uk partpicker side of the site so it was all USD

its fine.

[mariushm]

Much , Much better. 

 

Note that you don't need such a monster cpu cooler for that 65w TDP 6 core cpu, and you can probably also drop the extra fans.

For example, the 30 pound cheaper noctua U12S is more than enough for even a 12 core cpu, probably even 16 core cpu. 

 

The case comes with at least one fan in the front, which you could move to the back of the case. 

 

The CPU cooler and that fan would be enough to suck in air from the front and eject it through the back and top. 

 

I'd suggest adding a 4+ TB mechanical drive, games are getting large these days and you'd probably want to keep just a few games on your 1 TB drive and games that don't need ssd speeds that much on your mechanical drive

 

[Untoldterrors]

i have a 500GB crucial ssd but i dont actually get much time for gaming these days maybe a few hours if im lucky but i would like to enjoy those few hours instead of ripping my hair out. so i only ever keep a few on my pc at a time. i may look to getting a large HDD at somepoint as my 2TB HDD died a year ago. but i will definetyl look into changing the cooler to the u12s if they do a black version, cause im not about the brown fans

[mariushm]

There's also beQuiet Dark Rock 4  out there: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FRYLrH/be-quiet-dark-rock-4-cpu-cooler-bk021

 

But check reviews and how it compares to the other noctua coolers.  Should be more than enough for a 5600x and even future processors.

 

[Untoldterrors]

well i went for the noctua as from everything i have heard they are just about the leading example for good air coolers and they arent overpriced

[Untoldterrors]

oh for a final question im going to need some thermal paste, any suggestions? or is the included thermal paste good?

 

[mariushm]

The cooler comes with thermal paste, you probably won't need any extra thermal paste. 

 

As for overpriced ... it's debatable. I mean, you can buy a Ryzen 3200g with stock cooler for 88 pounds, or a six core ryzen 1600 (basically a 2600) for 108 pounds.

Consider how much work is done to manufacture such a cpu... around 3 weeks of manufacturing steps to get the wafer with cpu dies, then shipping somewhere to cut the die from wafer and bin it to various part numbers, then ship it somewhere else for packaging (put it on substrate and put the cpu pins) then package in a box with a 10-15 pounds cooler, then put it in stores where the stores have their added profit as well added...

 

The noctua coolers are mass produced, just cost a bit more because they have tighter tolerances and quality control,  the heatpipes are volume product, easy to bend, the base is easy to polish and make flat, the painting is easy .. basically all the steps are easy, just time consuming.  The black anodizing/painting costs them maybe 2$ per cooler, yet they'll charge how much more over the plain non-painted one... it's a lot of markup. 

 

 

Also note that the Ryzen 5600x comes with a stock cooler that is decent. It will keep the cpu cool but you wouldn't get much overclocking and it will be a bit noisy, but otherwise it can be considered a good cooler. 

In this context when the extra cooler is not actually needed to get the system working it's really hard to justify spending 80 pounds or whatever it costs. 

 

[Untoldterrors]

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The cooler comes with thermal paste, you probably won't need any extra thermal paste. 

 

As for overpriced ... it'd debatable. I mean, you can buy a Ryzen 3200g with stock cooler for 88 pounds. Consider how much work is done to manufacture such a cpu... around 3 weeks of manufacturing steps to get the wafer with cpu dies, then shipping somewhere to cut the die from wafer and bin it to various part numbers, then ship it somewhere else for packaging (put it on substrate and put the cpu pins) then package in a box with a 10-15 pounds cooler, then put it in stores where the stores have their added profit as well added...

 

The noctua coolers are mass produced, just cost a bit more because they have tighter tolerances and quality control,  the heatpipes are volume product, easy to bend, the base is easy to polish and make flat, the painting is easy .. basically all the steps are easy, just time consuming.  The black anodizing/painting costs them maybe 2$ per cooler, yet they'll charge how much more over the plain non-painted one... it's a lot of markup. 

 

 

 

that is true, but pretty sells