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Hi Everyone,

So I am currently making an upgrade to my PC and these are the current components:
Intel i7 10700K
Corsair iCUE H100i Capellix
MSI MPG Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
Corsair Vengeance 32gb RAM 3200mhz
GTX NVDIA 980ti
Corsair 850x
500GB 2.5" SSD (old hard drive from previous build and windows on it)
1TB 3.5" (old hard drive for extra space)

I was able to get the PC to post and get to the BIOS. But when the boot started, there seemed to be a lot of problems getting to windows. Thinking it was a software issue due to a corrupt file in my SSD, I brought it to Microcenter. After them taking the PC, and running their diagnostics, they concluded that I mistakenly used 1 PCIe cable, and daisy chained it to the 2 ports; when in actuality I should've used 2 PCIe cables. When I asked them if just adding another PCIe would solve the problems, they said no, and that my 980ti is dead.

Because of the current GPU market, I just want to make sure if what they are saying is true. Thanks for everyone's responses in advance. :)

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It could be dead, but likely MicroCenter is trying to scam you into buying a new gpu from them by convincing you your old one is dead. If you try the power configuration they recommended, does it work?

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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Running a GPU with inadequate power wouldn't kill it, normally, it would just be unstable.
Each PCI-e cable is capable of supplying about 150W of power to it iirc. Meaning it would've had 75W from the slot and 150W from the cable. More than enough to boot into windows, just would likely crash when trying to play a game. I'm also thinking they are trying to pull a fast one on you for some reason.
 

In fact, "daisy chain" pcie power cables is a common error a lot of people make with their high GPUs, since PSU manufacturer do include these dual 6+2 on a single cable and it's typically fine with the lower end stuff. It would likely sooner kill the PSU from overheating that one single cable if anything and there would be a ton of dead GPU on the market if that could easily kill a GPU.

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That doesn't sound right at all. First, using two PCIe power connectors from the same cable is fine. If there wasn't enough power available for the card then it simply wouldn't work right, and using a separate cable from the PSU should resolve that issue.

Secondly, not getting enough power would not kill the card. That's nonsense. It honestly sounds like they're trying to get your money. 

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I really don't see why they would lie about that when it can so easily be tested? Granted if your gpu was dead the pcie issue they talked about shouldn't have been the cause unless something really weird happened. Like maybe unstable power was supplied to the gpu causing the really old vrm to be unable to handle it? What psu did you use previously? A poor quality psu can over time stress the vrm causing the capacitors run hotter and have a shorter lifespan. It could also be the case that the new psu you got was bad and caused the card to fail. Granted I would like to know if the corsair 850x is new or not.

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1 hour ago, Mel0nMan said:

It could be dead, but likely MicroCenter is trying to scam you into buying a new gpu from them by convincing you your old one is dead. If you try the power configuration they recommended, does it work?

According to them, they used their own workstation to test the GPU. Their GPU works, but mine didn't.

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6 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I really don't see why they would lie about that when it can so easily be tested? Granted if your gpu was dead the pcie issue they talked about shouldn't have been the cause unless something really weird happened. Like maybe unstable power was supplied to the gpu causing the really old vrm to be unable to handle it? What psu did you use previously? A poor quality psu can over time stress the vrm causing the capacitors run hotter and have a shorter lifespan. It could also be the case that the new psu you got was bad and caused the card to fail. Granted I would like to know if the corsair 850x is new or not.

It's a brand new psu. Bought it on Saturday, built the rig on Monday, brought it to Microcenter on Tuesday.

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4 minutes ago, awongkh said:

According to them, they used their own workstation to test the GPU. Their GPU works, but mine didn't.

Did you see it happen? Did you see them actually do it? Because it's likely they are just telling you it's broken.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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2 minutes ago, awongkh said:

It's a brand new psu. Bought it on Saturday, built the rig on Monday, brought it to Microcenter on Tuesday.

I sire hope you didn't get a bad psu and it bricked your gpu as that is entirely possible. I have gotten a bad rm 850x that would cause pretty bad stability issues that I had to return and I would imagine that bad psu could have bricked an older card. 

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Just now, Mel0nMan said:

Did you see it happen? Did you see them actually do it? Because it's likely they are just telling you it's broken.

I didn't see them do it. I'm going to bring my PC/GPU to a friends house and use their rig as a donor donor system. If it really doesn't work, then I guess I'm in the 3000 series game. But if it does work, they seriously tried to rip me off.

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1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

I sire hope you didn't get a bad psu and it bricked your gpu as that is entirely possible. I have gotten a bad rm 850x that would cause pretty bad stability issues that I had to return and I would imagine that bad psu could have bricked an older card. 

I actually had another PSU in the build. Originally, it was an EVGA SuperNOVA 850. But last time I was at Microcenter, they said it was a DOA PSU, so I got the Corsair RM 850x instead.

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1 minute ago, awongkh said:

I actually had another PSU in the build. Originally, it was an EVGA SuperNOVA 850. But last time I was at Microcenter, they said it was a DOA PSU, so I got the Corsair RM 850x instead.

Wait so you are saying you had a new psu that you tried to use to power on your rig only to realize it was doa? That for sure could have caused the issues as a bad psu can easily kill components. 

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8 minutes ago, awongkh said:

I didn't see them do it. I'm going to bring my PC/GPU to a friends house and use their rig as a donor donor system. If it really doesn't work, then I guess I'm in the 3000 series game. But if it does work, they seriously tried to rip me off.

Ever since a year or so ago I haven't trusted companies telling me my hardware is broken. Laptop USB was having issues, brought it to an Asus repair shop, they said it was a motherboard issue and I needed to pay $300 for a replacement. Turns out it was just a slightly disconnected ribbon cable between the internal USB hub and controller. Fixed in 15 minutes for free.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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5 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Wait so you are saying you had a new psu that you tried to use to power on your rig only to realize it was doa? That for sure could have caused the issues as a bad psu can easily kill components. 

Yes. I bought the EVGA SuperNOVA originally for my build. But after an issue of it not working, they originally told me it was a mobo issue, but my psu was also doa. The whole story is very long but just to make it clear what exactly my story is:

Originally I wanted to upgrade just my RAM, PSU, cooling, and case; but keep my CPU (Intel i7 6700k), GPU (980ti), and mobo (it was a generic HP ipm17-tp mobo). I was able to get it to post, but couldn't get to BIOS/boot. Brought it to Microcenter. They couldn't even get to BIOS because they think it's an HP thing. They tested the PSU, and it was DOA (even saw their test to see it fail). So they told me I needed to get a new mobo and PSU.

So I got the Corsair 850x for PSU, and a mobo from Amazon (ASUS Micro ATX DDR4 LGA 1151 Motherboards H110M-K). Put all that together, got it to post/BIOS but can't boot windows. Brought it back to Microcenter, told me the mobo is too weak in power so they told me to invest in a better CPU/mobo. Didn't want to do that because I want to wait for the chip market to cooldown and I don't need a lot of power for what I do/game with. But because I need it for work, I just bought the new CPU and mobo.

Built it, and I couldn't get to windows again. Originally they thought it was just a software issue with my hard drives (would've costed me $100-250). But I told them to check everything because me paying for these "consultations" and them just saying "pay X amount of dollars" is ridiculous.. And this is where I am now. For something that's supposed to be fun, this isn't fun haha...

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14 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

Ever since a year or so ago I haven't trusted companies telling me my hardware is broken. Laptop USB was having issues, brought it to an Asus repair shop, they said it was a motherboard issue and I needed to pay $300 for a replacement. Turns out it was just a slightly disconnected ribbon cable between the internal USB hub and controller. Fixed in 15 minutes for free.

This is just a prime example on me agreeing on this one.

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2 hours ago, awongkh said:

Yes. I bought the EVGA SuperNOVA originally for my build. But after an issue of it not working, they originally told me it was a mobo issue, but my psu was also doa. The whole story is very long but just to make it clear what exactly my story is:

Originally I wanted to upgrade just my RAM, PSU, cooling, and case; but keep my CPU (Intel i7 6700k), GPU (980ti), and mobo (it was a generic HP ipm17-tp mobo). I was able to get it to post, but couldn't get to BIOS/boot. Brought it to Microcenter. They couldn't even get to BIOS because they think it's an HP thing. They tested the PSU, and it was DOA (even saw their test to see it fail). So they told me I needed to get a new mobo and PSU.

So I got the Corsair 850x for PSU, and a mobo from Amazon (ASUS Micro ATX DDR4 LGA 1151 Motherboards H110M-K). Put all that together, got it to post/BIOS but can't boot windows. Brought it back to Microcenter, told me the mobo is too weak in power so they told me to invest in a better CPU/mobo. Didn't want to do that because I want to wait for the chip market to cooldown and I don't need a lot of power for what I do/game with. But because I need it for work, I just bought the new CPU and mobo.

Built it, and I couldn't get to windows again. Originally they thought it was just a software issue with my hard drives (would've costed me $100-250). But I told them to check everything because me paying for these "consultations" and them just saying "pay X amount of dollars" is ridiculous.. And this is where I am now. For something that's supposed to be fun, this isn't fun haha...

So what your saying is you got a new psu that blew up both your motherboard and your gpu. I have to say the fact that both your gpu and motherboard died after you plugged them into a bad psu I can fairly confidently say it was probably the psu that killed everything. Granted that won't bring your gpu back but tbh it's kinda shitty that a bad psu broke your computer. You would think there would be some sort of protection that would cover for that as its clearly the psus fault. 

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