Intel or AMD?

[Caleb2W]

I’m about to do my first build and currently have the pc I think will work for me but after chatting with friends or other people I always get asked why not go AMD and I tell them I have no clue lol my first pc (prebuild) was a i7 8700k and it’s what I’m use too.

Now the parts I’m about to buy are the i9 10850k and the msi z490 gaming edge motherboard. If I were to go AMD what would be a equal in price opposite to my intel? And what would be the benefit of going AMD over intel ? Remember this is my first build ever and im using my rtx 2080 out of me prebuild until I can get ahold of a 3070 or better lol other parts that I already have on hand are

corsair 4000D airflow case

corsair 850 full power supply 

sn750 1tb nvme SSD 

same SSD but 500gb (boot drive) 

Corsair 32g rgb pro CL16 ram 

I most plan to use this pc for everyday things including gaming but at 1080p don’t have have 4K monitor or high refresh rate one 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Budget?

Workloads/what are you gonna use it for?

Country?

 

Oh and corsair rgb ram has atrocious value cause it is a literal ripoff, get 32gb 3200mhz trident z rgb instead, still rgb but much cheaper

[Caleb2W]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Budget?

Workloads/what are you gonna use it for?

Country?

 

Oh and corsair rgb ram has atrocious value cause it is a literal ripoff, get 32gb 3200mhz trident z rgb instead, still rgb but much cheaper

I got it as a good deal off a friend so it was cheap lol budget is around $700 /gaming and movies lol and us

[Somerandomtechyboi]

8 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

If I were to go AMD what would be a equal in price opposite to my intel? And what would be the benefit of going AMD over intel ?

5800x for price, cause 10850k is actually really good value obviously because everyones crapping on intel cause power efficiency and stuff, 10850k can actually run 4.8ghz at 1.2v so very efficient when compared to 4.8ghz on amd which requires around 1.35-1.4v

 

Why go amd? Cause the mainstream platform offers up to 16 cores whereas intel is only up to 10 cores, and 7nm = very efficient

 

Why go intel? Very good value and quite efficient at mid-high oc (near 5ghz)

[Caleb2W]

3 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

5800x for price, cause 10850k is actually really good value obviously because everyones crapping on intel cause power efficiency and stuff, 10850k can actually run 4.8ghz at 1.2v so very efficient when compared to 4.8ghz on amd which requires around 1.35-1.4v

 

Why go amd? Cause the mainstream platform offers up to 16 cores whereas intel is only up to 10 cores, and 7nm = very efficient

 

Why go intel? Very good value and quite efficient at mid-high oc (near 5ghz)

So it’s really just up In the air then because both would work pretty well? I just want something fast and quick and can handle whatever I throw at it 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

5 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

So it’s really just up In the air then because both would work pretty well? I just want something fast and quick and can handle whatever I throw at it 

Id take the 10850k here cause better value than amd

[Caleb2W]

3 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Id take the 10850k here cause better value than amd

Ok thanks for the response With this being my first build ever I’m nervous and just making sure I get the best I can with my budget lol

[KaitouX]

17 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

I’m about to do my first build and currently have the pc I think will work for me but after chatting with friends or other people I always get asked why not go AMD and I tell them I have no clue lol my first pc (prebuild) was a i7 8700k and it’s what I’m use too.

Now the parts I’m about to buy are the i9 10850k and the msi z490 gaming edge motherboard. If I were to go AMD what would be a equal in price opposite to my intel? And what would be the benefit of going AMD over intel ? Remember this is my first build ever and im using my rtx 2080 out of me prebuild until I can get ahold of a 3070 or better lol other parts that I already have on hand are

corsair 4000D airflow case

corsair 850 full power supply 

sn750 1tb nvme SSD 

same SSD but 500gb (boot drive) 

Corsair 32g rgb pro CL16 ram 

I most plan to use this pc for everyday things including gaming but at 1080p don’t have have 4K monitor or high refresh rate one 

So am I understanding correctly that you currently have a i7 8700K and RTX 2080? and you're playing at 1080p 60Hz~90Hz?

If that's correct there is no real reason to upgrade at all, at 1080p it isn't going to really make any visible difference in most games unless you had a 144Hz+ monitor, which apparently you don't, buy a better monitor or TV and then do upgrades to fit that performance target, if you decide to get a 1080p 240Hz monitor then consider upgrading the CPU, if you decide to get a 1440p or 4K one then getting a faster GPU would help.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 minute ago, KaitouX said:

So am I understanding correctly that you currently have a i7 8700K and RTX 2080? and you're playing at 1080p 60Hz~90Hz?

If that's correct there is no real reason to upgrade at all, at 1080p it isn't going to really make any visible difference in most games unless you had a 144Hz+ monitor, which apparently you don't, buy a better monitor or TV and then do upgrades to fit that performance target, if you decide to get a 1080p 240Hz monitor then consider upgrading the CPU, if you decide to get a 1440p or 4K one then getting a faster GPU would help.

Just overclock the monitor, most 60hz monitors will do 75 hz easily

[Caleb2W]

1 minute ago, KaitouX said:

So am I understanding correctly that you currently have a i7 8700K and RTX 2080? and you're playing at 1080p 60Hz~90Hz?

If that's correct there is no real reason to upgrade at all, at 1080p it isn't going to really make any visible difference in most games unless you had a 144Hz+ monitor, which apparently you don't, buy a better monitor or TV and then do upgrades to fit that performance target, if you decide to get a 1080p 240Hz monitor then consider upgrading the CPU, if you decide to get a 1440p or 4K one then getting a faster GPU would help.

Well with this prebuild it’s kind of a pain to upgrade anything it was a omen pc from bestbuy so the motherboard is hard to find any info on plus I’m trying to get a decent pc for when battlefield comes out. I have the spare cash so I decided to just build my own

[KaitouX]

7 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

Well with this prebuild it’s kind of a pain to upgrade anything it was a omen pc from bestbuy so the motherboard is hard to find any info on plus I’m trying to get a decent pc for when battlefield comes out. I have the spare cash so I decided to just build my own

Then wait till battlefield is out and buy the computer then, this way you can check which CPU/GPU works best with the game and buy them. There seems to be no reason to upgrade now unless there is something broken in your system or until you get a better display, based on your system I would say 1080p 240Hz or 1440p 144Hz favoring the latter.

Also prices are still stupid, which makes an upgrade now even less worth doing.

[Bombastinator]

25 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

I got it as a good deal off a friend so it was cheap lol budget is around $700 /gaming and movies lol and us

$700 budget but previous was 8700k?  I’m not sure you can build an machine better than your old on for $700

[Caleb2W]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

$700 budget but previous was 8700k?  I’m not sure you can build an machine better than your old on for $700

No that’s $700 for just the motherboard and cpu sorry total budget not including gpu is $1700

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

So am I understanding correctly that you currently have a i7 8700K and RTX 2080? and you're playing at 1080p 60Hz~90Hz?

If that's correct there is no real reason to upgrade at all, at 1080p it isn't going to really make any visible difference in most games unless you had a 144Hz+ monitor, which apparently you don't, buy a better monitor or TV and then do upgrades to fit that performance target, if you decide to get a 1080p 240Hz monitor then consider upgrading the CPU, if you decide to get a 1440p or 4K one then getting a faster GPU would help.

A monitor might make a reasonable upgrade if he’s got a 2080 and a 1080p monitor.  Might eat that whole budget too if he gets a nice one.  Assuming the AMD super resolution thing gets ported to a 2080 (it’s apparently already been done to 1060s) a 4k monitor would be viable for a 2080.

[Caleb2W]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

A monitor might make a reasonable upgrade if he’s got a 2080 and a 1080p monitor.  Might eat that whole budget too if he gets a nice one.  Assuming the AMD super resolution thing gets ported to a 2080 (it’s apparently already been done to 1060s) a 4k monitor would be viable for a 2080.

I’ll definitely work on a better monitor once I get this build current I have 2 27inch curved Samsung monitors 

[IkeaGnome]

5 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

No that’s $700 for just the motherboard and cpu sorry total budget not including gpu is $1700

Just to clear up confusion. $700 for CPU and Mobo. $1000 left over for monitor and other parts?

Also, do you need WiFi?

[Caleb2W]

Just now, IkeaGnome said:

Just to clear up confusion. $700 for CPU and Mobo. $1000 left over for monitor and other parts?

Yes total in parts I plan to buy/already have is 

i9 10850k

corsair 32g ram 3200

corsair 850w full

corsair 150i liquid cooler

Sn750 NVME 1tb and 500g

corsair 4000D case

RTX 2080 8g

MsI z490 gaming edge WiFi 

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, Caleb2W said:

MsI z490 gaming edge WiFi 

Do you plan on overclocking the CPU?

[Caleb2W]

Just now, IkeaGnome said:

Do you plan on overclocking the CPU?

Yes and my ram

[Bombastinator]

10 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

No that’s $700 for just the motherboard and cpu sorry total budget not including gpu is $1700

Ah.  Still a possible issue because if you only have a 1080p monitor you’re going to need an update.  8700k iirc is 6/12.  At least on par with a 3600.  An AMD 5800x would be a single step up.  Doing one of those with no gpu would be somewhere around 1100. Which leaves $600 for monitor.  I assume an 11700k would be near comparably priced.  Given the machine you got I personally would wait for ddr5 stuff.  There can’t  be anything that wont work with a 6/12 for a while.

[Caleb2W]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Ah.  Still a possible issue because if you only have a 1080p monitor you’re going to need an update.  8700k iirc is 6/12.  At least on par with a 3600.  An AMD 5800x would be a single step up.  Doing one of those with no gpu would be somewhere around 1100. Which leaves $600 for monitor.  I assume an 11700k would be near comparably priced.

Ok I’ll look around for a decent monitor that fits 

[IkeaGnome]

3 minutes ago, Caleb2W said:

Yes and my ram

I was kind of hoping you'd say no to the CPU. On Intel that means you could use a B560 and be able to OC the ram for almost $70 cheaper on the motherboard. Both of these lists are assuming you use your ram and current cooler.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/frYWNq

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LDPhgt

While this benchmark video doesn't list the 10850k, it lists the 10900k this will give you an idea on comparisons. The 10850k is a 10900k, but at slightly (100mhz IIRC) speeds. 

They're virtually neck and neck for $60 more. 

The other thing to think about is how boost works. Intel will boost for a certain amount of time before it cuts back. AMD doesn't. Give it enough power and keep the heat cool enough and it'll go. 

OP in this thread ended up going for a 5900x instead of the 5800x or 10850k. The 5900x is hard to find because it does run cooler than the 5800x. If you wanted to go that route for potentially higher OCs on AMD, it's MSRP is $550.

[Caleb2W]

6 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

I was kind of hoping you'd say no to the CPU. On Intel that means you could use a B560 and be able to OC the ram for almost $70 cheaper on the motherboard. Both of these lists are assuming you use your ram and current cooler.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/frYWNq

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LDPhgt

While this benchmark video doesn't list the 10850k, it lists the 10900k this will give you an idea on comparisons. The 10850k is a 10900k, but at slightly (100mhz IIRC) speeds. 

They're virtually neck and neck for $60 more. 

The other thing to think about is how boost works. Intel will boost for a certain amount of time before it cuts back. AMD doesn't. Give it enough power and keep the heat cool enough and it'll go. 

OP in this thread ended up going for a 5900x instead of the 5800x or 10850k. The 5900x is hard to find because it does run cooler than the 5800x. If you wanted to go that route for potentially higher OCs on AMD, it's MSRP is $550.

I mean if I don’t over clock it I’d be fine I won’t remember this is my first build and all my knowledge so far/research is YouTube and forums lol this is just the build I started with in pc part picker and have changed a few things to what I’ve read/watched/researched lol 

[Caleb2W]

9 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

I was kind of hoping you'd say no to the CPU. On Intel that means you could use a B560 and be able to OC the ram for almost $70 cheaper on the motherboard. Both of these lists are assuming you use your ram and current cooler.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/frYWNq

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LDPhgt

While this benchmark video doesn't list the 10850k, it lists the 10900k this will give you an idea on comparisons. The 10850k is a 10900k, but at slightly (100mhz IIRC) speeds. 

They're virtually neck and neck for $60 more. 

The other thing to think about is how boost works. Intel will boost for a certain amount of time before it cuts back. AMD doesn't. Give it enough power and keep the heat cool enough and it'll go. 

OP in this thread ended up going for a 5900x instead of the 5800x or 10850k. The 5900x is hard to find because it does run cooler than the 5800x. If you wanted to go that route for potentially higher OCs on AMD, it's MSRP is $550.

And if I went with the amd list you gave would I see a better Performance when gaming? 

[King of Memes]

1 hour ago, Caleb2W said:

I’m about to do my first build and currently have the pc I think will work for me but after chatting with friends or other people I always get asked why not go AMD and I tell them I have no clue lol my first pc (prebuild) was a i7 8700k and it’s what I’m use too.

Now the parts I’m about to buy are the i9 10850k and the msi z490 gaming edge motherboard. If I were to go AMD what would be a equal in price opposite to my intel? And what would be the benefit of going AMD over intel ? Remember this is my first build ever and im using my rtx 2080 out of me prebuild until I can get ahold of a 3070 or better lol other parts that I already have on hand are

corsair 4000D airflow case

corsair 850 full power supply 

sn750 1tb nvme SSD 

same SSD but 500gb (boot drive) 

Corsair 32g rgb pro CL16 ram 

I most plan to use this pc for everyday things including gaming but at 1080p don’t have have 4K monitor or high refresh rate one 

Intel and AMD are companies, not processors. Choose a good processor, not a brand name.