Super Portable pure streaming machine

[Vilacom]

Budget (including currency): Ideally would like to keep it below $1200 USD not including the capture card but honestly that might just not be feasible 

Country: United States

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Multiple instances of OBS(up to 6 instances with two pushing streams to YouTube and Twitch with four recording isolated video streams locally), black magic ATEM software, telestration software, twitch app
 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Ideally I’d like to build this thing in a Velka 3.  It will be coming with me on planes and the like and the amount of gear I am carrying with me for an event means every bit of space possible is needed.  

I do not want to use a GPU in this if possible, I’d like to just use onboard graphics for the CPU as I need a PCI capture card for the number of inputs(Looking like the new Elgato Cam Link Pro assuming something horrible doesn’t come out about it in the near future, if for some reason thats not usable I will go with a magewell).

This will consistently be using 2 monitors, but if there is a way to run 3 comfortably I would like that option. The first big event I would need this for is in October, but ideally I want to build it as soon as possible to really get everything set up and put through its paces so I’m comfortable with it before event time.  I only mention it as if there is something significant coming out in the next month or so that would make this significantly better I’m happy to wait for a short period of time.

Thank you so much for any help, I’m a camera guy not really a PC guy so this is a little overwhelming.  


 

[jaslion]

I do think you'll need some form of gpu acceleration here and I'm not really sure a 10900k would be enough as that is the best cpu you can have right now with integrated graphics.

 

What system do you use now for doing this? Do you even have something to run this on right now? It would be really helpful if you could give us a frame of reference here. Doesn't have to be running this exact same setup but anything that gives us a frame of reference can help us help you better.

[Vilacom]

2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

I do think you'll need some form of gpu acceleration here and I'm not really sure a 10900k would be enough as that is the best cpu you can have right now with integrated graphics.

 

What system do you use now for doing this? Do you even have something to run this on right now? It would be really helpful if you could give us a frame of reference here. Doesn't have to be running this exact same setup but anything that gives us a frame of reference can help us help you better.

Unfortunately I’m really not running this right now, I have a relatively simple streaming machine at home as a desktop but the traveling show is something that is new, as well as the expansion and complexity of the stream.

To qualify, this is to be used to stream miniature tabletop war games at conventions with the goal of being able to stream up to four tables simultaneously with the cameras being connected through a black magic ATEM mini extreme ISO.  My home setup only streams a single game at a time and is a pretty standard size desktop which works fine but isn’t an option for traveling.  Like I said, this is all pretty new for me  If its not possible, then its not possible but I was really hoping lol

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, Vilacom said:

Unfortunately I’m really not running this right now, I have a relatively simple streaming machine at home as a desktop but the traveling show is something that is new, as well as the expansion and complexity of the stream.

To qualify, this is to be used to stream miniature tabletop war games at conventions with the goal of being able to stream up to four tables simultaneously with the cameras being connected through a black magic ATEM mini extreme ISO.  My home setup only streams a single game at a time and is a pretty standard size desktop which works fine but isn’t an option for traveling.  Like I said, this is all pretty new for me  If its not possible, then its not possible but I was really hoping lol

What specs does your home system have and when streaming how much cpu and gpu is used?

 

From this we can extrapolate forward and take steps into the right direction.

 

I thought you meant 6 streams instead of 4. 4 should be totally doable depending on well input and output resolution, bitrate,...

[Vilacom]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

What specs does your home system have and when streaming how much cpu and gpu is used?

 

From this we can extrapolate forward and take steps into the right direction.

 

I thought you meant 6 streams instead of 4. 4 should be totally doable depending on well input and output resolution, bitrate,...

I’m not at home right now so unfortunately I cant post the exact specs of that PC right now.  But let me qualify, it will only be actually uploading two streams.  One to YouTube and one to Twitch, these will be 1080p 30fps streams.  The other four OBS instances will be recording a single window capture that will be used for YouTube video editing later and saved locally to the hard drive, the quality of those can be pretty low as the only thing it is recording is an app output for a timer app in the game.  The input and encoding from the ATEM mini extreme is all done in the external hardware before it makes it to the computer, so it will all come in at 1080p 30fps

[jaslion]

Just now, Vilacom said:

I’m not at home right now so unfortunately I cant post the exact specs of that PC right now.  But let me qualify, it will only be actually uploading two streams.  One to YouTube and one to Twitch, these will be 1080p 30fps streams.  The other four OBS instances will be recording a single window capture that will be used for YouTube video editing later and saved locally to the hard drive, the quality of those can be pretty low as the only thing it is recording is an app output for a timer app in the game.  The input and encoding from the ATEM mini extreme is all done in the external hardware before it makes it to the computer, so it will all come in at 1080p 30fps

Oooh ok yeah this is beyond totally doable then.

 

If you can I'd wait for the ryzen 5700g so you have a better gpu for gpu acceleration. These launch on august 5th. It's also a far more efficient and easier to cool cpu which is kinda nice to have in a itx system :p.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Issue here is that the 5700g which is an 8 core amd apu is the fastest apu, but amd were sissys this time and they cut down the vega cores to 8 instead of the 11 that can be found in a 3400g

 

Oh and doesnt matter how far you oc the igpu, removing 3 cores = slower

[Vilacom]

Just now, jaslion said:

Oooh ok yeah this is beyond totally doable then.

 

If you can I'd wait for the ryzen 5700g so you have a better gpu for gpu acceleration. These launch on august 5th. It's also a far more efficient and easier to cool cpu which is kinda nice to have in a itx system :p.

Yeah I was looking at the 5700g, august would be no problem, would still give me nearly 3 months to test and fine tune everything, what else should I look at?

[Vilacom]

Just now, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Issue here is that the 5700g which is an 8 core amd apu is the fastest apu, but amd were sissys this time and they cut down the vega cores to 8 instead of the 11 that can be found in a 3400g

 

Oh and doesnt matter how far you oc the igpu, removing 3 cores = slower

So is the 3400g the better option then?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just now, Vilacom said:

So is the 3400g the better option then?

As you are a streamer you need the extra cpu cores, but you also need the gpu power aswell, too bad all the options you have are massively gpu bottlenecked.

 

Maybe wait for ryzen 6000 cause supposedly amd will be ditching vega and swapping to rdna 2 next gen or nex next gen and it might have 12 cu, better hope when they improve it, they wont cut down the fking gpu part -_-

 

Also a reason why intel really needs to catch up to amd so this crap doesnt happen

[Vilacom]

Just now, Somerandomtechyboi said:

As you are a streamer you need the extra cpu cores, but you also need the gpu power aswell, too bad all the options you have are massively gpu bottlenecked.

 

Maybe wait for ryzen 6000 cause supposedly amd will be ditching vega and swapping to rdna 2 next gen or nex next gen and it might have 12 cu, better hope when they improve it, they wont cut down the fking gpu part -_-

 

Also a reason why intel really needs to catch up to amd so this crap doesnt happen

Is there any estimate for when ryzen 6000 might be coming out?

[jaslion]

Just now, Vilacom said:

Yeah I was looking at the 5700g, august would be no problem, would still give me nearly 3 months to test and fine tune everything, what else should I look at?

Probably 16gb of ram and whatnot. I'll make a quick build that has the basic parts.

 

Do watch out for the psu as well it's a tight fit. As for the board it will most likely need a bios update but has no cpu bios flash options.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jnt4bh

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

As you are a streamer you need the extra cpu cores, but you also need the gpu power aswell, too bad all the options you have are massively gpu bottlenecked.

 

Maybe wait for ryzen 6000 cause supposedly amd will be ditching vega and swapping to rdna 2 next gen or nex next gen and it might have 12 cu, better hope when they improve it, they wont cut down the fking gpu part -_-

 

Also a reason why intel really needs to catch up to amd so this crap doesnt happen

The 5700g's gpu is better than the 3400g vega 11. Why? Optimizations and much higher clock speeds. Been tested been proven.

 

So 5700g is a no brainer here.

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, Vilacom said:

Is there any estimate for when ryzen 6000 might be coming out?

Far past when you'll need this system.

[Vilacom]

2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Probably 16gb of ram and whatnot. I'll make a quick build that has the basic parts.

 

Do watch out for the psu as well it's a tight fit. As for the board it will most likely need a bios update but has no cpu bios flash options.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jnt4bh

Would going for one of the flex atx power supplies they mention on the velka3 website be better for the case then?

Alright, so 5700g is the best option then, good to know

[Vilacom]

Like one of these?

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/1HU-0095-000J7

[Omar.B]

1 minute ago, Vilacom said:

Like one of these?

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/1HU-0095-000J7

No your overpaying on this you can find a better one

[Vilacom]

3 minutes ago, Omar.B said:

No your overpaying on this you can find a better one

That’s great to hear, any examples?

[Omar.B]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scHrF8

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler  ($44.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($93.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($55.49 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Thermaltake Core V1 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($55.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GM 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Custom: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe  ($161.94 @ Amazon) 
Custom: Ryzen 7 5700g ($360.00 @ when available)
Total: $832.33 (without CPU)

Total: $1193.00 (with CPU)
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-30 03:55 EDT-0400

[Vilacom]

1 minute ago, Omar.B said:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scHrF8

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler  ($44.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($93.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($55.49 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Thermaltake Core V1 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($55.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GM 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Custom: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe  ($161.94 @ Amazon) 
Custom: Ryzen 7 5700g ($360.00 @ when available)
Total: $832.33 (without CPU)

Total: $1193.00 (with CPU)
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-30 03:55 EDT-0400

That looks like a decent option, but I was hoping to keep it into the smaller form factor of a Velka3 or a Fractal design node 202 since I need to travel with it/put it in a carry on. Space is at a premium sadly

[Omar.B]

1 minute ago, Vilacom said:

That looks like a decent option, but I was hoping to keep it into the smaller form factor of a Velka3 or a Fractal design node 202 since I need to travel with it/put it in a carry on. Space is at a premium sadly

The case is just a taste and you can change it also the thermaltake is a small factor 

[Vilacom]

4 minutes ago, Omar.B said:

The case is just a taste and you can change it also the thermaltake is a small factor 

Ok, but the PSU you’ve suggested is an SFX style and if I wanted to go with the Velka3 to keep things as tiny as possible it specifically says it cannot accept an SFX power supply.  

The thermaltake is a SFF but the dimensions of  10x10x12 is a little awkward to fit into a backpack or a carry on bag.  That’s why I mentioned the velka and the fractal design node 202, they might not be a ton smaller than the thermaltake but they way they’ve configured their dimensions makes it much easier to put into a carry on easily

[Omar.B]

9 minutes ago, Vilacom said:

Ok, but the PSU you’ve suggested is an SFX style and if I wanted to go with the Velka3 to keep things as tiny as possible it specifically says it cannot accept an SFX power supply.  

The thermaltake is a SFF but the dimensions of  10x10x12 is a little awkward to fit into a backpack or a carry on bag.  That’s why I mentioned the velka and the fractal design node 202, they might not be a ton smaller than the thermaltake but they way they’ve configured their dimensions makes it much easier to put into a carry on easily

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Ydggt

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler  ($44.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($93.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Custom: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe  ($161.94 @ Amazon) 
Custom: FSP Mini ITX Solution/Flex ATX 300W Fully Modular Cable Management Efficiency ≥90% Full Range Active PFC Power Supply (FSPFSP300-57FCB) Flex Guru 300W (New Edition)  ($111.99 @ Amazon) 
Custom: Ryzen 7 5700g 
Custom: Velka 3 ($160.00)
Total: $892.85 (without CPU)

Total: $1253 (with CPU)
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-30 04:18 EDT-0400

[jaslion]

37 minutes ago, Vilacom said:

That looks like a decent option, but I was hoping to keep it into the smaller form factor of a Velka3 or a Fractal design node 202 since I need to travel with it/put it in a carry on. Space is at a premium sadly

Then get a node 202 with a sfx psu plenty good options out there.