first timer What AIO is best for my build?

[Noctemque_Mors]

Budget (including currency): $1200 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: VR Gaming

Other details: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NdJrgt

 

Hello I'm new here and building my first PC. I don't know which AIO would be the best option for what I have or if I'd be better off with an air cooler. I haven't picked a case yet because I want a case that will work best with my components instead of making them fit a case.

 

[Naijin]

25 minutes ago, Noctemque_Mors said:

Budget (including currency): $1200 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: VR Gaming

Other details: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NdJrgt

 

Hello I'm new here and building my first PC. I don't know which AIO would be the best option for what I have or if I'd be better off with an air cooler. I haven't picked a case yet because I want a case that will work best with my components instead of making them fit a case.

 

What case are you going with?

A good air cooler is usually about the same as a 240 AIO. If you get a nice mesh airflow case, air cooling could be a better fit.

[Noctemque_Mors]

12 hours ago, Naijin said:

What case are you going with?

A good air cooler is usually about the same as a 240 AIO. If you get a nice mesh airflow case, air cooling could be a better fit.

I haven't decided on a case yet as I'm looking for a case that will be the best fit for my parts. I don't want to have to try and cram or get different parts because they don't fit in my case.

[Downkey]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($304.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($143.00 @ Amazon) 
Memory: ADATA XPG GAMMIX D20 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($81.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Silicon Power A80 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($114.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate IronWolf Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.99 @ Adorama) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P360A ATX Mid Tower Case  ($70.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXF 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($52.00 @ Newegg) 
Total: $907.94
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[dean_5234]

IMO for 1200 dollars including a GPU the best option is a prebuilt

[OfficialTechSpace]

Don't need an AIO for a 3700X. It's a 65W TDP CPU that doesn't boost past 4.2Ghz.

 

I'd also like to point out that it doesn't hold any value in 2021, get a 5600X.

[OfficialTechSpace]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3rp7j2

 

CPU:                   AMD Ryzen 5 5600X   ($304.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler:      ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280   ($112.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard:    MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS   ($159.19 @ Amazon) 
Memory:            Crucial Ballistix (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16   ($93.99 @ Amazon)
Storage:            Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280   ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage:            Toshiba N300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM   ($104.99 @ Amazon)

Case:                 Phanteks Eclipse P360A   ($70.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 650 W 80+ Gold   ($84.67 @ Amazon) 

 

Total:                  $1,041.79

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Walmart) does better for gaming.
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Phantom CPU Cooler  ($36.99 @ Amazon) no real need for an AIO.
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TORPEDO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Newegg) don't need the X570-F unless there's something you specifically need from it.
Memory: Team T-FORCE DARK Za 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($122.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Toshiba X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB DUAL OC Video Card 
Power Supply: Super Flower Leadex III Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.00 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Total: $973.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[OfficialTechSpace]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

Memory: Team T-FORCE DARK Za 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 

32GB's of CL18 memory for a Ryzen system focused on VR? 

[GoldenLag]

1 hour ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

CPU:                   AMD Ryzen 5 5600X   ($304.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler:      ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280   ($112.99 @ Amazon) 

An AIO for a 65w CPU seems a bit silly. 

 

On 5/20/2021 at 11:57 AM, Noctemque_Mors said:

I haven't picked a case yet because I want a case that will work best with my components instead of making them fit a case.

Want small formfactor? Or a fancy case? 

 

Or just something cheap and decent like a P360 or similar? 

[OfficialTechSpace]

13 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

An AIO for a 65w CPU seems a bit silly. 

It boosts to 4.6Ghz, and is an easy overclocker. I'd like to see you do it on air without hitting 85+°C

 

They draw 100W at 4.7Ghz 1.325V

 

I think it's funny you criticizing my experience with the exact processor when you're still rocking a 1500X. 

[brob]

Consider using the stock cooler.

[GoldenLag]

17 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Walmart) 
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Phantom CPU Cooler  ($36.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TORPEDO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($187.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Mushkin Pilot-E 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($114.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Toshiba X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB DUAL OC Video Card 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($106.90 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1011.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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some minor changes id consider. Save some on a similarly performing SSD, pick up a nicer PSU for 7$, and get some Dimms that will overclock well if you want to get into memmory overclocking at some point. 

either picking up singlerank Rev B or dual Rank Rev E. Depending on the batch you get. 

[GoldenLag]

12 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

They draw 100W at 4.7Ghz 1.325V.

Spoiler

not sure if you are familiar with the powerdraw of both the 5600x and 3700x. but they both kinda sip power. 

 

and 100w really isnt a lot. 

 

edit: also id consider lowering the voltage you are using. While Zen 2 has been fairly resilient, its not in the range of voltages that are regarded as "safe". If you are using PBO2 to overclock, it may be allright. but allcore overclocks, thats a tad much. Id recommend staying below 1.3v

 

12 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

It boosts to 4.6Ghz, and is an easy overclocker. I'd like to see you do it on air without hitting 85+°C

its an issue of thermal density, something both Zen 2 and Zen 3 deal with. 

Spoiler

you are gonna run allright temps, and even be able to overclock using the stock cooler. And a budget aircooler will allow you to make the most of the CPU. 

[Downkey]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Walmart) 
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Phantom CPU Cooler  ($36.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE DARK Za 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Mushkin Pilot-E 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($114.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Toshiba N300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB DUAL OC Video Card 
Power Supply: Corsair CXF 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($52.00 @ Newegg) 
Total: $908.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[OfficialTechSpace]

18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($187.99 @ Newegg) 

Don't need 32GB's for a gaming build.

18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Storage: Toshiba X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 

Is an older version, the N300 drive is newer and the same price.

18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB DUAL OC Video Card 

Costs $150 above entry RTX 3060 cards, for zero benefit.

18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($106.90 @ Amazon) 

Not necessary for an RTX 3060 based system.

 

If you're gonna criticize my recommendations, I'll do it right back.

[OfficialTechSpace]

14 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

you are gonna run allright temps, and even be able to overclock using the stock cooler. And a budget aircooler will allow you to make the most of the CPU. 

If I'm hitting 80°C on a 280mm AIO at 1.325V, where is this thermal headroom you speak of for overclocking? 

Not everyone is running test benches, some of us actually have cases. Even with a stock cooler on a test bench you wouldn't be able to sustain much more than 4-4.2Ghz under load.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, OfficialTechSpace said:

Costs $150 above entry RTX 3060 cards, for zero benefit.

it was entirely because it was allready included in Hermans build. also it doesnt list price, so its entirely placeholder. Granted i could have pointed that out.

1 minute ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

Is an older version, the N300 drive is newer and the same price.

good to know. 

1 minute ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

Don't need 32GB's for a VR build.

Might aswell. 16gb isnt exactly sufficient for all titles. And you get to roll the dice on getting Rev B dimms. 

 

which:

1. Perform well
2. if you ever want to touch memmory overclocking, they overclock well. 

5 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

Not necessary for an RTX 3060 based system.

i mean you could spend 7$ less for a Leadex, or spend a little extra for a GF1. 

 

 

if we are being completely honest, the Focus GM you picked is kinda silly considering what it is. (its listed as a Focus FM, but thats not sold anymore). Especially if you are gonna take the "neccesity" argument. 

 

like you could get something cheap an nice like these:

Corsair CXF 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (CP-9020216-NA) - PCPartPicker

Corsair CXF 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (CP-9020226-NA) - PCPartPicker

 

9 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

If you're gonna criticize my recommendations, I'll do it right back

i could, but i was really just pointing out the contradiction of saying that an AIO for a 65w CPU isnt neccesary, when you then go on to recommend an AIO for a 65w TDP CPU.......

[OfficialTechSpace]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

i was really just pointing out the contradiction of saying that an AIO for a 65w CPU isnt neccesary, when you then go on to recommend an AIO for a 65w TDP CPU.......

which I explained here, below:

2 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

If I'm hitting 80°C on a 280mm AIO at 1.325V, where is this thermal headroom you speak of for overclocking? 

Not everyone is running test benches, some of us actually have cases. Even with a stock cooler on a test bench you wouldn't be able to sustain much more than 4-4.2Ghz under load.

 

[Downkey]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

ike you could get something cheap an nice like these:

Corsair CXF 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (CP-9020216-NA) - PCPartPicker

Corsair CXF 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (CP-9020226-NA) - PCPartPicker

 

Agree with this, the CXFS are really cheap RN (the 650W model is $52!)

 

 

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

i could, but i was really just pointing out the contradiction of saying that an AIO for a 65w CPU isnt neccesary, when you then go on to recommend an AIO for a 65w TDP CPU.......

I was typing about this as you posted this ahaha
 

[Downkey]

Also doesn't OCing Zen 3 hurt single core performance? If OP is playing games why would he OC? Just turn on PBO and call it a day

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

Not everyone is running test benches, some of us actually have cases. Even with a stock cooler on a test bench you wouldn't be able to sustain much more than 4-4.2Ghz under load.

ït does that stock if you werent aware. Well it does more, but assuming some frequency drop for whatever reason. 

 

4 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

If I'm hitting 80°C on a 280mm AIO at 1.325V, where is this thermal headroom you speak of for overclocking? 

thats 15c of headroom present. Also ideally you wanna tune through PBO, and not run Allcore overclocks. Also id like to again point out that 1.325v on an allcore overclock (if thats what you are running), is not really ideal in terms of degredation. (tho some chips offcourse handle voltage better than others)

 

using an AIO doesnt really help the inherent thermal density issue. And you can get the most using a cheap aircooler anyways. 

[OfficialTechSpace]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

Also id like to again point out that 1.325v on an allcore overclock (if thats what you are running), is not really ideal in terms of degredation.

Isn't chip degradation correlated with sustained operating temperature? not voltage? That's what it takes to run stable.

 

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Downkey said:

Also doesn't OCing Zen 3 hurt single core performance? If OP is playing games why would he OC? Just turn on PBO and call it a day

OC through PBO2 and you can improve performance across the board. 

 

really if you wanna overclock, memmory is what you want to tune. 

 

5 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

which I explained here, below:

also, yeah, thermal density. Its why Zen 2 and Zen 3 were "hot" for the amount of wattage they outputted. 

 

also it applies to both Zen 2 and Zen 3. So doesnt really help your contradiction much sadly. Again im just pointing out you are being a bit silly and contradictory with the cooling requirements. 

[GoldenLag]

Just now, OfficialTechSpace said:

Isn't chip degradation correlated with sustained operating temperature? not voltage?

depends on the way it degrades. Temperature is certainly a factor. 

 

You can degrade through too much current (afaik this isnt how N7 typically degrades, could be wrong, i havent looked at specifically the mechanism it degrades by). 

 

but it can also degrade through too much Voltage. Buildzoid touched upon this a bit when he was testing degredation on his degraded 3700x, (which degraded very early on). it finally died through using too high voltage for a couple of days. His sample was apperantly quite sturdy.