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Can dust be damaging?

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4 minutes ago, wat3rmelon_man2 said:

I want an older dx11 card for a system i'm building for my family. Thinking of a HD5830/5850. I found a clean, tested 5830 for $40 and a very dusty untested 5830 for $25. I know it would be safer to go with the cleaner tested card, but that led me to the question of if dust can be damaging even if a card is off.

Depends if the dust has compromised the card's ability cool itself properly. Generally speaking all computer hardware will get dusty, there is just no way around this. If the dust is too much though, this may inhibit the cooling solution to properly do its job, which will result in higher temperatures both at idle and under load. If the temperatures are too high for a long time, then this could be damaging to the piece of equipment whether that is a graphics card or a processor or power supply. 

I want an older dx11 card for a system i'm building for my family. Thinking of a HD5830/5850. I found a clean, tested 5830 for $40 and a very dusty untested 5830 for $25. I know it would be safer to go with the cleaner tested card, but that led me to the question of if dust can be damaging even if a card is off.

Is it plugged in? Is it turned on? Are you sure?

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The largest concern for dust is it restricts airflow and is insulating so it causes worse cooling performance. Otherwise when cleaning large amounts of dust if you use a vacuum it can cause static build up and potential ESD issues but I highly doubt this will kill anything.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

The largest concern for dust is it restricts airflow and is insulating so it causes worse cooling performance. Otherwise when cleaning large amounts of dust if you use a vacuum it can cause static build up and potential ESD issues but I highly doubt this will kill anything.

OK, thank you. I'll probably go with the cheaper card.

Is it plugged in? Is it turned on? Are you sure?

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4 minutes ago, wat3rmelon_man2 said:

I want an older dx11 card for a system i'm building for my family. Thinking of a HD5830/5850. I found a clean, tested 5830 for $40 and a very dusty untested 5830 for $25. I know it would be safer to go with the cleaner tested card, but that led me to the question of if dust can be damaging even if a card is off.

Depends if the dust has compromised the card's ability cool itself properly. Generally speaking all computer hardware will get dusty, there is just no way around this. If the dust is too much though, this may inhibit the cooling solution to properly do its job, which will result in higher temperatures both at idle and under load. If the temperatures are too high for a long time, then this could be damaging to the piece of equipment whether that is a graphics card or a processor or power supply. 

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Just now, wat3rmelon_man2 said:

OK, thank you. I'll probably go with the cheaper card.

And clean it with compressed air.

Is it plugged in? Is it turned on? Are you sure?

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Dust does damage by blocking the ability to dissipate heat. The inability to dissipate heat causes thermal throttling and on older cards is either not a problem because they just don't care or a big problem because they are extra susceptible to thermal damage. No idea what the HD 5000 series is. For the untested card, try to contact the seller and ask if they will allow a return should the card be inoperable. And offer to provide video evidence of it not working for you upon delivery, because a growing number of people know the "it doesn't work, can I get a partial refund?" scam where someone gets a perfectly working card, claims it doesn't work, doesn't provide visible evidence, and demands a partial refund so that they keep the working card and get half of their money back. And depending on the platform you are buying from, if a seller can rate a buyer, they like to give positive reviews if you offer to protect them from a possible scam. 

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1 minute ago, wat3rmelon_man2 said:

OK, thank you. I'll probably go with the cheaper card.

I'd repaste and dust and the card will probably work just like new

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

I'd repaste and dust and the card will probably work just like new

Yeah, the most lengthy refurbish job I've ever done was a HD 4870 x2. Dusty as hell, the heatsink on that card is way too complex (it is in like 5 parts with over 40 screws), and the dies are small so repasting without making a mess is near impossible. Runs much better now.

Is it plugged in? Is it turned on? Are you sure?

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Depends on the contents of the dust.

Cigarette tar? Yup.

Metal dust (from a machine shop for example) yes

General household dust (mostly comprised of human skin) not really unless the system is caked.

 

But it's also a sign of how well the system has been cared for...

So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds

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1 minute ago, Radium_Angel said:

Depends on the contents of the dust.

Cigarette tar? Yup.

Metal dust (from a machine shop for example) yes

General household dust (mostly comprised of human skin) not really unless the system is caked.

 

But it's also a sign of how well the system has been cared for...

Seller says it was in the closet for 8 years... 

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Just now, wat3rmelon_man2 said:

Seller says it was in the closet for 8 years... 

And yet the seller was too lazy to give it even a cursory cleaning.

It's probably fine.

I've cleaned out worse (including a system owned by a chain smoker...damn near needed a wire brush to remove the tar...shudder)

So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds

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10 minutes ago, wat3rmelon_man2 said:

Seller says it was in the closet for 8 years... 

If it's turned off for that whole years and inside a closet, i guess it should not be as dusty as you imagine.

Why you're buying an 8 year old pc anyway?

Ryzen 2600x @ 4.2ghz all cores | Asrock B450M Steel Legend | Radeon RX580 | 4x Samsung 8gb d-die 2133 @ 3200mhz | 500gb Samsung PM981a | 5 TB HDD | Hyper 212 classic w/ 2 delta 4000rpm push pull | Antec Neo Eco Zen 500w

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1 hour ago, SupaKomputa said:

If it's turned off for that whole years and inside a closet, i guess it should not be as dusty as you imagine.

Why you're buying an 8 year old pc anyway?

One word: cheap

Edit: also its not a whole pc it is just a GPU

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