Nvidia vs AMD

[Vitalius]

And the new Driver is supposedly going to beat Mantle in almost every benchmark.

Supposed to. Let's see. If it were as simple as a driver update, then why does Mantle exist at all?

[binman13]

But actual power draw is different

 

And the new Driver is supposedly going to beat Mantle in almost every benchmark. 

Sorry, can we compare the 290X and the 780 ti for a second?

Three watts difference you say?

My god, it's almost like that difference is negligible considering the TDP between models of the same card can vary drastically.

If the new driver beats Mantle in every way, then I will curl my neck around and eat my own arse, I'm not falling for nVidia's bullshit again, I already spent 3 years doing that.

[DoubleY]

Sorry, can we compare the 290X and the 780 ti for a second?

Three watts difference you say?

My god, it's almost like that difference is negligible considering the TDP between models of the same card can vary drastically.

If the new driver beats Mantle in every way, then I will curl my neck around and eat my own arse, I'm not falling for nVidia's bullshit again, I already spent 3 years doing that.

Look at the 290X in Uber mode The 290X in quiet mode is like a 290

[binman13]

Look at the 290X in Uber mode The 290X in quiet mode is like a 290

Uber mode is the unlocked TDP mode for OCing...

And even comparing the *UNLOCKED TDP* mode, it is 30 watts difference...

[DoubleY]

Uber mode is the unlocked TDP mode for OCing...

And even comparing the *UNLOCKED TDP* mode, it is 30 watts difference...

30 watts is quite a lot when we're talking about cards that only draw ~250 watts, 30 watts makes a big difference 

[binman13]

30 watts is quite a lot when we're talking about cards that only draw ~250 watts, 30 watts makes a big difference 

Correct me if I am mistaken, but dont card manufacturers like Asus and MSI have OC power modes which do practically the same thing?

[Vitalius]

30 watts is quite a lot when we're talking about cards that only draw ~250 watts, 30 watts makes a big difference

 

But these aren't cards that draw ~250 watts of power. These are cards that draw ~370w of power. Huge difference.

Check again. 370-380w for a 290X in quiet mode and a 780 Ti

Correct me if I am mistaken, but dont card manufacturers like Asus and MSI have OC power modes which do practically the same thing?

Basically, yeah.

[binman13]

 

But these aren't cards that draw ~250 watts of power. These are cards that draw ~370w of power. Huge difference.

Check again. 370-380w for a 290X in quiet mode and a 780 Ti

Basically, yeah.

That is whole system power consumption, the cards themselves take 250 Watt.

[Vitalius]

That is whole system power consumption, the cards themselves take 250 Watt.

Ah, my bad. You are right. Missed the "Total System" part.

However, I don't think the 290X in Uber mode is strictly the GPU. If the GPU is performing better, the CPU must do more to keep up with it. So it isn't as clear cut as it seems.

[fringie]

I prefer AMD personally. They are the more gamer friendly company in my opinion, it feels like Nvidia just want to milk you.. Performance wise Nvidia are better but that's because it doesn't seem AMD care as much about providing the highest tiered products compared to Nvidia (at the consumer-gamer level). AMD offer good value for money and force Nvidia to offer better value than they normally would.

 

Despite loving AMD so so so much more than Nvidia, Nvidia are more convenient for me so Nvidia cards tend to make me drool more than AMD cards do. I would rather give my money to AMD .. You see how cool they were about Mantle DirectX12 thing? I could never see Nvidia doing something like that. I normally don't fanboy companies but I can't help myself in this case and I don't even buy many AMD products.

[LOST TALE]

I've learned some. Dat TDP prejudice

 

TDP is determined by power consumption.

But I took no electricity courses lol, im just assuming all watts end up in thermal energy, right?

[binman13]

I've learned some. Dat TDP prejudice

 

TDP is determined by power consumption.

But I took no electricity courses lol, im just assuming all watts end up in thermal energy, right?

TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, it is the amount of energy that is converted to heat that the cooling system needs to take account for.

And yes, apart from the power for the GPU fans, the electricity used by the card is entirely converted to themal energy.

[DoubleY]

 

But these aren't cards that draw ~250 watts of power. These are cards that draw ~370w of power. Huge difference.

Check again. 370-380w for a 290X in quiet mode and a 780 Ti

Basically, yeah.

That's the entire system load, not just the GPU

[Avratz]

G-sync will go nowhere as soon as Displayport 1.3 starts entering the market, so if you want to waste 500 dollars on a g-sync monitor that'll be standardised within the year then be my guest.

 

 

Proposed standards are worthless next to a tangible product.

 

Meanwhile, I've been enjoying the benefits of g-sync for 2 months.

 

Keep waiting, I guess.

[binman13]

Proposed standards are worthless next to a tangible product.

 

Meanwhile, I've been enjoying the benefits of g-sync for 2 months.

 

Keep waiting, I guess.

Confirmed additions to the standards that will be sent to manufacturers by the end of Q2...

 

[Sky Daddy]

And the new Driver is supposedly going to beat Mantle in almost every benchmark. 

Those benchmarks give no information on their testbench or testing method. (low fps, avg fps, high fps, cpus, clockspeeds, etc) Useless benchmark and marketing scheme imo.

 

Why don't they optimize all of their drivers so aggressively, where is the performance boost for Crysis 3/etc?

 

my friend owns an i7 4770k and 780ti, i own 8350 and r9 290. BF4 runs so much smoother on my setup than his and never dips below 60 while his dips below 50. (in multiplayer, where mantle actually matters)

[A10-FTW]

No, I don't want to start a war between fanboys. I want to know what are advantages and disadvantages of each (price is kinda irrelevant since in my country everything is fucked up when it comes to technology..)

 

Specifically for gaming, is there really any "one is better than the other"? 

I've seen a lot of people (that sound a lot like nvidia fanboys) saying amd sucks and their drivers suck. Honestly I saw the latest nvidia driver and EVERY SINGLE PERSON commenting was saying it was sh*t. 

 

A lot of people get amd cards for gaming and have no issues, a lot of people (who I have my doubts if they ever even used amd) simply say amd sucks and they say it in a way that makes it sound as if you'd be unable to even use the card of how much the drivers suck....  

 

Personally I've never in my life owned a gpu, and the only graphics I ever used was integrated Radeon HD 6550D and although it's not exactly powerful, I never had any problems with it and it could run Batman and Crysis 2 decently well.

 

What are the good and bad things of both Nvidia and AMD right now, 2014.

well, i must say i love AMD (for many reasons)

 

and is not just the fanboy on me, i trust AMD (and i believe they are the future)

 

but see it from the other side

 

 

 

i don't trust Nvidia

 

and this is a big issue for me

 

i don't like the way they do business (don't ask)

 

and i belive PhysX is bad programing (on purpose) on PC games

 

 

 

i really don't care if it work or not on the system

 

but make a system crash "can cost money" 

 

that they will not giving back if they break a part of the pc

 

for some s game (that you paid), because you don't have nvidia in your system

 

 

 

i know i am a fanboy

 

and i know all this can be all in my mind (that is why i don't hit they with all i have)

 

 

 

still, i am not a blind fanboy

 

i do think they do great products with excellent quality and performance (and i respect that)

 

i even recommend the cards a lot (they do great produts, and i support they)

 

is the software part of they, the part i am in war

 

but yeah, maybe i am all wrong

[Avratz]

Confirmed additions to the standards that will be sent to manufacturers by the end of Q2...

 

 

Until there's a product, it is nothing more than a proposal.

 

I'm sure DP1.3 will be great, but, again, I'm already using g-sync. That's worth far more to me than some unimplemented standard.

 

Nvidia developed a technology on an existing standard, and they were cool enough to release a DIY mod kit. 

 

Calling it a waste is nonsense.

[Sonefiler]

Nvidia has a much, much larger budget than AMD, and a wider target to hit. Most of the quietness / lower power consumption in Nvidia's current chips is because they have become a force in cluster / super computers, where such things are -more- important than raw power. Nvidia never would have sunk the R&D money into that were they going for a purely PC gaming audience.

 

In any case, in light of Nvidia's much larger budget, AMD can only compete by squeezing as much power out of whatever design they make, and neglect most everything else. This has lowered the price of Nvidia products across the board, and the Hawaii based chips, in this regard, are an incredible success: even the launch prices were too low to be sustainable for the kind of performance they provide.

 

They just, y'know, run very hot and sound like turbines, unless someone else puts better hardware on them. AMD ain't got time to research good coolers. Or money. They're fighting from behind on both fronts of their business. Making ARM chips now, regardless of what their press releases say, is something of a desperation move.

 

So... support AMD... not because they're better, but because they're the only thing that's keeping Nvidia and Intel honest. Because even the top end Nvidia cards probably cost less than $100 to manufacture and there's a huge profit margin on them, one that only gets higher the more people go with the "reliable" option.

 

After all, even when AMD was kicking the crap out of Intel in CPU performance, they didn't even touch Intel's sales numbers, because everyone just went with the same brand that had always worked.

...also, raw performance is nice when you have a system set up to take advantage of it.