3080 laptops

[CatXice]

How are the 150/155 watt 3080 laptops with intel vs amd cpus preforming cant seem to find much on them.  see example below,  only use case is gaming 

 

[jaslion]

Basically the amd versions are always better due to having less thermal overhead and/or using the new ryzen 5000 chips. Even with 4000 series amd is still better in most cases due to intels 10th gen big boi i7s barely having a performance jump.

[Bombastinator]

The one most telling stat doesn’t seem to be listed.  Nvidia removed the “maxQ” and “maxP” descriptions and are instead using different and more accurate descriptions. Such things can radically affect gpu capacity.  Those things don’t seem to be listed though.

[Kilrah]

15 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The one most telling stat doesn’t seem to be listed.  Nvidia removed the “maxQ” and “maxP” descriptions and are instead using different and more accurate descriptions. Such things can radically affect gpu capacity.  Those things don’t seem to be listed though.

They are, that's what the TGP column is. 

 

They don't have CPU TDP numbers though.

[Bombastinator]

27 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

They are, that's what the TGP column is. 

 

They don't have CPU TDP numbers though.

They would fall into 4 catagories then:  the 3 intel based ones, the three AMD based ones, the ROG XG mobile which is missing some specs, and the one at the bottom with apparently a reduced gpu.  That one has the biggest cpu of the bunch it seems.  It’s also the only one that has more than 1080p resolution and it seems to have 4k resolution. (Barring the one without specs of course)  my memory is that a 4k screen is kind of dumb on a laptop, but 3080s aren’t supposed to do well with 1080p.  That might just be the desktop one though which is of course a totally different animal.

[CatXice]

3 hours ago, jaslion said:

Basically the amd versions are always better due to having less thermal overhead and/or using the new ryzen 5000 chips. Even with 4000 series amd is still better in most cases due to intels 10th gen big boi i7s barely having a performance jump.

so the r7 with the 150w 3080 would be the best idea then

[jaslion]

7 hours ago, CatXice said:

so the r7 with the 150w 3080 would be the best idea then

The xmg laptops have proven to be great laptops for gaming and to be about class leading. The 3080m starts to cap out performance somewhere around the 135w mark and any more wattage increase doesn't lead to much performance improvement at all.

 

Just a heads up don't get the stupid high refresh rate panel in the xmg. Just a normal 1080p 144hz one is plenty due to screensize and well far better battery life. That and unless you are a pro gamer you won't notice a difference after 144hz.

[CatXice]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

The xmg laptops have proven to be great laptops for gaming and to be about class leading. The 3080m starts to cap out performance somewhere around the 135w mark and any more wattage increase doesn't lead to much performance improvement at all.

 

Just a heads up don't get the stupid high refresh rate panel in the xmg. Just a normal 1080p 144hz one is plenty due to screensize and well far better battery life. That and unless you are a pro gamer you won't notice a difference after 144hz.

ye i know about the pannels i have had 1440p 144hz before got a 1080p 240hz atm in my current laptop 

 

looking at reviews the 130w asus seems to be a lot slower then msi's offering

[jaslion]

10 hours ago, CatXice said:

ye i know about the pannels i have had 1440p 144hz before got a 1080p 240hz atm in my current laptop 

 

looking at reviews the 130w asus seems to be a lot slower then msi's offering

The xmg one is king by far. Which asus and which msi? Many differences.

[CatXice]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

The xmg one is king by far. Which asus and which msi? Many differences.

the 150w MSI GE76 Raider

[Wilbur Cobb]

On 3/19/2021 at 5:13 PM, jaslion said:

Basically the amd versions are always better due to having less thermal overhead and/or using the new ryzen 5000 chips. Even with 4000 series amd is still better in most cases due to intels 10th gen big boi i7s barely having a performance jump.

Well, kind of. Yes the AMD CPUs are better, but we are talking about laptops here, and you have to account for everything.

 

I personally went with the GE76 Raider 3080 & i7, simply because it's churning at the absolute best gaming performance out of all the current laptops. This doesn't mean it's necessarily better at everything, but strictly gaming nothing has it beat.

 

I will link to a video review, and a detailed benchmark. These results are pretty consistent, typical laptops get around 10k on timespy, but the GE76 Raider gets 12k! I believe the Alienware M17 R4 is also gets similar results.

 

A lot of people are pointing to XMG to kill the competition, it has potential. However, until we can prove what it's actual gaming performance is, there is just no way to know.

 

[CatXice]

On 3/22/2021 at 3:31 PM, Wilbur Cobb said:

Well, kind of. Yes the AMD CPUs are better, but we are talking about laptops here, and you have to account for everything.

 

I personally went with the GE76 Raider 3080 & i7, simply because it's churning at the absolute best gaming performance out of all the current laptops. This doesn't mean it's necessarily better at everything, but strictly gaming nothing has it beat.

 

I will link to a video review, and a detailed benchmark. These results are pretty consistent, typical laptops get around 10k on timespy, but the GE76 Raider gets 12k! I believe the Alienware M17 R4 is also gets similar results.

 

A lot of people are pointing to XMG to kill the competition, it has potential. However, until we can prove what it's actual gaming performance is, there is just no way to know.

 

i was looking at the msi one tbh just seeing what everyone else is coming up with end of the day i just want the all out power for gaming haha

[Wilbur Cobb]

On 3/24/2021 at 11:49 AM, CatXice said:

i was looking at the msi one tbh just seeing what everyone else is coming up with end of the day i just want the all out power for gaming haha

Yeah the GE76 Raider is one of the best, don't be too bummed over the lack of a AMD CPU either. An interesting phenomenon with CPUs and gaming, is the performance differences start mattering less, and quickly, the more graphics the GPU has to process. On CS:GO nothing beats a Ryzen 9 5900, but when you start playing games like Assassins Creed: Origins or Tomb Raider, weirdly enough Intel top chips can break even or actually surpass AMD's top chips!

 

It's a matter of the type of work load the CPU is doing, and how the game uses it. MSI will probably release AMD variants later this year, but honestly new stuff always comes out in months time. It will almost never surpass anything last generation by enough to matter, so don't feel left out when going for an i7-10870H. I doubt the improved thermals are gonna up the performance enough to make a real difference compared to what is already out.

[Bombastinator]

5 hours ago, Wilbur Cobb said:

Yeah the GE76 Raider is one of the best, don't be too bummed over the lack of a AMD CPU either. An interesting phenomenon with CPUs and gaming, is the performance differences start mattering less, and quickly, the more graphics the GPU has to process. On CS:GO nothing beats a Ryzen 9 5900, but when you start playing games like Assassins Creed: Origins or Tomb Raider, weirdly enough Intel top chips can break even or actually surpass AMD's top chips!

 

It's a matter of the type of work load the CPU is doing, and how the game uses it. MSI will probably release AMD variants later this year, but honestly new stuff always comes out in months time. It will almost never surpass anything last generation by enough to matter, so don't feel left out when going for an i7-10870H. I doubt the improved thermals are gonna up the performance enough to make a real difference compared to what is already out.

I doubt  there’s a ton of difference amongst any of these laptops. The AMD chips have a rep for running cooler so more power can be thrown to the gpu, but I doubt the difference is immense.  As far as $ per frame goes the one on the best sale is probably the best deal that way.  Without knowing prices there’s no way to know though.

[Wilbur Cobb]

40 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I doubt  there’s a ton of difference amongst any of these laptops. The AMD chips have a rep for running cooler so more power can be thrown to the gpu, but I doubt the difference is immense.  As far as $ per frame goes the one on the best sale is probably the best deal that way.  Without knowing prices there’s no way to know though.

There really isn't. The GE76 Raider & Alienware M17 R4 is showing some of the highest gaming performance, but any 3080 laptop with a high end CPU isn't going to be much worse, or much better.

 

I dumped way too many hours of research to figure out which one overall comes out on top, and its kind of a wash. When you get to scores as high as 10,000 on Timespy, an extra 2,000 points nets you so laughably little performance increase it no longer matters.

 

It all just boiled down to which company I have the best experience with, and MSI for me and my brother has delivered on our expectations thus far. Plus I like meatier laptops, since I need a desktop replacement.

[Bombastinator]

5 minutes ago, Wilbur Cobb said:

There really isn't. The GE76 Raider & Alienware M17 R4 is showing some of the highest gaming performance, but any 3080 laptop with a high end CPU isn't going to be much worse, or much better.

 

I dumped way too many hours of research to figure out which one overall comes out on top, and its kind of a wash. When you get to scores as high as 10,000 on Timespy, an extra 2,000 points nets you so laughably little performance increase it no longer matters.

 

It all just boiled down to which company I have the best experience with, and MSI for me and my brother has delivered on our expectations thus far. Plus I like meatier laptops, since I need a desktop replacement.

The issue is the definition of “much”is variable.  Some laptops have reps for various things.  There is a TUF AMD version had a rep for it being not built as an AMD machine but a conversion and an unusually poor one for example.