Upgrade am3 socket... 955 to 1100t

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Computersarethebest said:

I’m picking up a fx 8350 tomorrow for $100. Maxing out my mobo cpu spec, pair that with my 16gig ddr3 ram max mobo speed of 1866 and my new 1tb ssd. You wouldn’t believe how fast my pc is.

Why would you pay that much?
Most I'd pay for it is $70.
Also, I could build a PC with 3rd gen Intel that would beat the pants off of it.

[Ryan Leech]

8 minutes ago, Computersarethebest said:

I’m picking up a fx 8350 tomorrow for $100. Maxing out my mobo cpu spec, pair that with my 16gig ddr3 ram max mobo speed of 1866 and my new 1tb ssd. You wouldn’t believe how fast my pc is.

$100 is fair price for an 8350, especially when you consider that it won't depreciate too much over the next few years. I wouldn't be surprised if you get $80-90 for it when you upgrade to Ryzen in a few years. With respect to the memory speed, 1866 doesn't make much of a difference but it won't hurt.

 

Enjoy your upgrade and all the extra performance. It should serve you well for a few more years.

[Computersarethebest]

10 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

Why would you pay that much?
Most I'd pay for it is $70.
Also, I could build a PC with 3rd gen Intel that would beat the pants off of it.

No no you wouldn’t believe the speed of my machine now with a quad core. Imagine a 8 core with stock 4ghz speed.

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Computersarethebest said:

No no you wouldn’t believe the speed of my machine now with a quad core. Imagine a 8 core with stock 4ghz speed.

Imagine an octa-core with 3.8 GHz base, but with DDR4 support, all the latest instruction sets, driver support, etc.

I've been trying to explain this, but the FX-8350 sucked.

Really, really sucked for what it was trying to be.

[Computersarethebest]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Leech said:

$100 is fair price for an 8350, especially when you consider that it won't depreciate too much over the next few years. I wouldn't be surprised if you get $80-90 for it when you upgrade to Ryzen in a few years. With respect to the memory speed, 1866 doesn't make much of a difference but it won't hurt.

 

Enjoy your upgrade and all the extra performance. It should serve you well for a few more years.

Honestly I’ve had this computer for over 10 years and if I can get 4K out of it I want it to be my forever pc until something at least breaks. I don’t see myself upgrading unless some catastrophic failure. 

[Middcore]

15 minutes ago, Computersarethebest said:

You wouldn’t believe how fast my pc is.

 

No, we're well aware of how fast it is: slower than any Ryzen system, and probably slower than any i5 or i7 system from the last ~8 years. 

[WhitetailAni]

2 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

No, we're well aware of how fast it is: slower than any Ryzen system, and probably slower than any i5 or i7 system from the last ~8 years. 

If a 2600K can beat it 7 times out of 10...

[Middcore]

8 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

If a 2600K can beat it 7 times out of 10...

Yeah I was being conservative by not saying 10 years. I built my first PC in 2010 with a Phenom II 965 Black Edition and thought I was hot shit, six months later Sandy Bridge dropped and even an i3 was faster than my CPU. Bulldozer showed up and I remember the signage at Micro Center hyping "eight cores" and such... except it became rapidly apparent that was all FX had going for it, which wasn't much at a time when most games and applications couldn't even use four (there was clamor for an overclockable Sandy Bridge i3). Then of course it turned out even the core count claim was basically a lie. 

[-rascal-]

This is so....to a point frustrating, just reading these 4 pages through....

 

• You don't need a high-end GPU to WATCH 4K video -- a MORDERN low-end card can do that, hence the GT 1030 recommendations
• Getting a GTX 1080 Ti for 4K gaming sure, but absolutely not needed for 4K video. The card will sit a like probably 10% ~ 15% use
   
• Going from a Phenom II to a FX-series CPU is like going backwards, because the FX-series CPU is barely any better, unless you OC the chip to 4.6 GHz+
• ASUS M5A97 is a socket AM3+ motherboard, based on the AMD 970 chipset, so it supports both AM3 and AM3+
• ASUS M597 is a 4+2 phase VRM motherboard; although it can handle the high power draw of a FX-8350, DO NOT go with a FX-8350
   
• FX-8350 is $600 because it is probably being sold by a third-party seller, and not Amazon directly
• $200 for a Phenom II X6 1100T is on the expensive side -- I bought a Phenom II X6 1090T in 2010 / 2011 for $220 *NEW*
• It should be under $100 by now
• Instead of getting a new CPU, what you can try is actually overclocking the Phenom II X4 955
• You have the CPU, and motherboard strong enough to do it --- like I said a 4+2 VRM with decent VRM heatsink cooling
   
• Why would you update the BIOS just for the fun of it??
   
• If you are going to spend $600, might as well build an ENITRE new system with a Ryzen 3400G APU for $500 ~ $600
• That iGPU within the Ryzen 3400G *CAN* run 4K video no sweat

 

This is coming from someone who has owned a Phenom II X4 955 / 965, Phenom II X6 1090T, and a FX-8350.

Please don't drop $600 on a AM3 / AM3+ upgrade....for the love of God....

[WhitetailAni]

1 minute ago, -rascal- said:

This is so....to a point frustrating, just reading these 4 pages through....

 

• You don't need a high-end GPU to WATCH 4K video -- a MORDERN low-end card can do that, hence the GT 1030 recommendations
• Getting a GTX 1080 Ti for 4K gaming sure, but absolutely not needed for 4K video. The card will sit a like probably 10% ~ 15% use
   
• Going from a Phenom II to a FX-series CPU is like going backwards, because the FX-series CPU is barely any better, unless you OC the chip to 4.6 GHz+
• ASUS M5A97 is a socket AM3+ motherboard, based on the AMD 970 chipset, so it supports both AM3 and AM3+
• ASUS M597 is a 4+2 phase VRM motherboard; although it can handle the high power draw of a FX-8350, DO NOT go with a FX-8350
   
• FX-8350 is $600 because it is probably being sold by a third-party seller, and not Amazon directly
• $200 for a Phenom II X6 1100T is on the expensive side -- I bought a Phenom II X6 1090T in 2010 / 2011 for $220 *NEW*
• It should be under $100 by now
• Instead of getting a new CPU, what you can try is actually overclocking the Phenom II X4 955
• You have the CPU, and motherboard strong enough to do it --- like I said a 4+2 VRM with decent VRM heatsink cooling
   
• Why would you update the BIOS just for the fun of it??

And the worst part is we can't convince him otherwise that AM3/AM3+ is dead and should be abandoned because his friend said it was good.

[-rascal-]

2 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

And the worst part is we can't convince him otherwise that AM3/AM3+ is dead and should be abandoned because his friend said it was good.

 

With $600...why not just BUILD a Ryzen 3400G system....

 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, -rascal- said:

 

With $600...why not just BUILD a Ryzen 3400G system....

That's what we said.

A bunch of people said various things like an R3 3100, a 3200G, a 3400G, but nope. Because his friend said an 8350 and a 1050 Ti was the best thing for 4K, that's what he would have.

[Computersarethebest]

37 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

This is so....to a point frustrating, just reading these 4 pages through....

 

• You don't need a high-end GPU to WATCH 4K video -- a MORDERN low-end card can do that, hence the GT 1030 recommendations
• Getting a GTX 1080 Ti for 4K gaming sure, but absolutely not needed for 4K video. The card will sit a like probably 10% ~ 15% use
   
• Going from a Phenom II to a FX-series CPU is like going backwards, because the FX-series CPU is barely any better, unless you OC the chip to 4.6 GHz+
• ASUS M5A97 is a socket AM3+ motherboard, based on the AMD 970 chipset, so it supports both AM3 and AM3+
• ASUS M597 is a 4+2 phase VRM motherboard; although it can handle the high power draw of a FX-8350, DO NOT go with a FX-8350
   
• FX-8350 is $600 because it is probably being sold by a third-party seller, and not Amazon directly
• $200 for a Phenom II X6 1100T is on the expensive side -- I bought a Phenom II X6 1090T in 2010 / 2011 for $220 *NEW*
• It should be under $100 by now
• Instead of getting a new CPU, what you can try is actually overclocking the Phenom II X4 955
• You have the CPU, and motherboard strong enough to do it --- like I said a 4+2 VRM with decent VRM heatsink cooling
   
• Why would you update the BIOS just for the fun of it??
   
• If you are going to spend $600, might as well build an ENITRE new system with a Ryzen 3400G APU for $500 ~ $600
• That iGPU within the Ryzen 3400G *CAN* run 4K video no sweat

 

This is coming from someone who has owned a Phenom II X4 955 / 965, Phenom II X6 1090T, and a FX-8350.

Please don't drop $600 on a AM3 / AM3+ upgrade....for the love of God....

Not a 1080 but a 1050 ti... I would like to get a 1030 but those cards don’t do hdr 4K but the 1050 ti does hdr that’s the only reason I’m updating to that.

 

the fx 8350 is on Amazon for $600 but I’m obviously not going to buy that, at that point I would buy an entire new pc. Someone local to me is selling one for $100 so why not. I’m putting in the best cpu that my motherboard can handle. 
 

my video card is a hd6450 and I can’t do 4K  only 1440 with my gpu and cpu running at 90%+

 

 

1050 ti for hdr 4K 

fx8350 to max out my mobo and call it a day for $100. It’s fun stuff

[-rascal-]

56 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

That's what we said.

A bunch of people said various things like an R3 3100, a 3200G, a 3400G, but nope. Because his friend said an 8350 and a 1050 Ti was the best thing for 4K, that's what he would have.

 

I'm dying right holy jeez...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$229.99 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$89.00 @ Amazon Canada
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 CL16 Memory	$58.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$66.43 @ Amazon Canada
Case	Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$56.50 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$560.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-02-02 15:57 EST-0500

 

$560.... Canadian Pesos, not $560 USD...

I can keep it under $500 if I throw out the SSD, and drop the case to a $50 one instead.

~$600 if swapping the Ryzen 3200G out for a Ryzen 3400G.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Computersarethebest said:

Not a 1080 but a 1050 ti... I would like to get a 1030 but those cards don’t do hdr 4K but the 1050 ti does hdr that’s the only reason I’m updating to that.

 

the fx 8350 is on Amazon for $600 but I’m obviously not going to buy that, at that point I would buy an entire new pc. Someone local to me is selling one for $100 so why not. I’m putting in the best cpu that my motherboard can handle. 
 

my video card is a hd6450 and I can’t do 4K  only 1440 with my gpu and cpu running at 90%+

 

 

1050 ti for hdr 4K 

fx8350 to max out my mobo and call it a day for $100. It’s fun stuff

 

Look at the $560 complete system I just posted...

 

HD 6450 does not support 4K.

The graphics card came out in 2011, 4K wasn't even like a thing yet in 2011.

 

Instead of a GTX 1050 Ti...you can just go with a Ryzen APU...

 

Even a FX-8350 for $100 is a bit much.

Not only $100 for the CPU, but you are also looking at $30 ~ $50 for a CPU cooler.

If you are using the PC for just 4K video playback, there is no point in upgrading the CPU.

 

Either stick with the Phenom II X4 955 and get a GPU, or upgrade to socket AM4 with a Ryzen 3200G or 3400G.

 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, -rascal- said:

I'm dying right holy jeez...

 

Sadly, no
Are we sure he didn't time travel?

[Computersarethebest]

13 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

I'm dying right holy jeez...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$229.99 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$89.00 @ Amazon Canada
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 CL16 Memory	$58.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$66.43 @ Amazon Canada
Case	Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$56.50 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$560.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-02-02 15:57 EST-0500

 

 

I can keep it under $500 if I throw out the SSD, and drop the case to a $50 one instead.

~$600 if swapping the Ryzen 3200G out for a Ryzen 3400G.

 

 

 

Look at the $560 complete system I just posted...

 

HD 6450 does not support 4K.

The graphics card came out in like 2012, 4K wasn't even like a thing yet in 2012.

 

Instead of a GTX 1050 Ti...you can just go with a Ryzen APU...

 

Even a FX-8350 for $100 is a bit much.

Not only $100 for the CPU, but you are also looking at $30 ~ $50 for a CPU cooler.

If you are using the PC for just 4K video playback, there is no point in upgrading the CPU.

 

Either stick with the Phenom II X4 955 and get a GPU, or upgrade to socket AM4 with a Ryzen 3200G or 3400G.

 

That’s what someone else said on this forum, just simply get a 1050 ti and call it a day. 
 

the build you did looks nice but again it’s either $200 for a 1050 ti and $100 for a cpu or $550 for a new computer to do the exact same thing. I would have a really hard time “throwing my computer in the garbage” for a new one. I’m kind of a underdog. 
 

 

I’ll accept defeat here because I do believe you guys know more than me when it comes to this stuff. Every time I join a forum everybody yells at me no matter the subject. And I love it, I learn a lot quick. And I have no problem with people trying to save me money.

 

what sucks is what you said cpu + thermal paste + cpu cooler and I was looking at the be quiet ones for $150 so it ends up being quite a bit. 

 

soooooooo you and everybody agrees that going from a amd phenom 2 x 4 955 to a fx 8350 is pointless? Even though it’s the next/newest chipset on the am3+ socket, gets 4 more cores and has .8 ghz more speed stock???

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Computersarethebest said:

That’s what someone else said on this forum, just simply get a 1050 ti and call it a day. 
 

the build you did looks nice but again it’s either $200 for a 1050 ti and $100 for a cpu or $550 for a new computer to do the exact same thing. I would have a really hard time “throwing my computer in the garbage” for a new one. I’m kind of a underdog. 
 

 

I’ll accept defeat here because I do believe you guys know more than me when it comes to this stuff. Every time I join a forum everybody yells at me no matter the subject. And I love it, I learn a lot quick. And I have no problem with people trying to save me money.

 

what sucks is what you said cpu + thermal paste + cpu cooler and I was looking at the be quiet ones for $150 so it ends up being quite a bit. 

 

soooooooo you and everybody agrees that going from a amd phenom 2 x 4 955 to a fx 8350 is pointless? Even though it’s the next/newest chipset on the am3+ socket, gets 4 more cores and has .8 ghz more speed stock???

The 8 cores suck.

They're beaten by pretty much any Intel Core i7 ever - yes, even the 4-core ones.

[-rascal-]

17 minutes ago, Computersarethebest said:

That’s what someone else said on this forum, just simply get a 1050 ti and call it a day. 
 

the build you did looks nice but again it’s either $200 for a 1050 ti and $100 for a cpu or $550 for a new computer to do the exact same thing. I would have a really hard time “throwing my computer in the garbage” for a new one. I’m kind of a underdog. 
 

 

I’ll accept defeat here because I do believe you guys know more than me when it comes to this stuff. Every time I join a forum everybody yells at me no matter the subject. And I love it, I learn a lot quick. And I have no problem with people trying to save me money.

 

what sucks is what you said cpu + thermal paste + cpu cooler and I was looking at the be quiet ones for $150 so it ends up being quite a bit. 

 

soooooooo you and everybody agrees that going from a amd phenom 2 x 4 955 to a fx 8350 is pointless? Even though it’s the next/newest chipset on the am3+ socket, gets 4 more cores and has .8 ghz more speed stock???

 

The problem is, the FX-8350 is not true "8-cores" (okay, it can, depending on how you look at it, but that's why there was a class-action lawsuit vs AMD)

It's more like 1.5-cores x 8.

The frequency is higher on the FX-8350 but...it needs it to compensate for what is lacks.

 

If you say...for more apple-to-apple comparison

Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.0 GHz vs FX-4300 @ 4.0 GHz (both advertised as "4 Cores")

The Pheon II 955 SHOULD actually outperform the FX-4300...

 

The GHz number is itself has little to no merit, especially when comparing two different CPU architectures.

It's like comparing a V8 engine @ 3000 RPM vs 4-cylinder engine @ 7000 RPM.

The V8 is 500 HP vs 4-cylinder's 150 HP., doesn't matter about the RPM.

 

It's the video card that does the picture rendering, more so if it's 4K @ 60 Hz.

Best solution, with the least amount of cost, would be getting a GT 1030 / GTX 1050 / GTX 1050 Ti

 

There is supposedly an even more low-cost GT 1010 coming soon (yeah, 2021 release).

It's based off the GT 1030.

From the leaks so far, it has HDMI + DVI as output ports.

It should be able to do 4K using the HDMI port, but we won't know 100% until it actually releases...

[Computersarethebest]

2 hours ago, -rascal- said:

 

The problem is, the FX-8350 is not true "8-cores" (okay, it can, depending on how you look at it, but that's why there was a class-action lawsuit vs AMD)

It's more like 1.5-cores x 8.

The frequency is higher on the FX-8350 but...it needs it to compensate for what is lacks.

 

If you say...for more apple-to-apple comparison

Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.0 GHz vs FX-4300 @ 4.0 GHz (both advertised as "4 Cores")

The Pheon II 955 SHOULD actually outperform the FX-4300...

 

The GHz number is itself has little to no merit, especially when comparing two different CPU architectures.

It's like comparing a V8 engine @ 3000 RPM vs 4-cylinder engine @ 7000 RPM.

The V8 is 500 HP vs 4-cylinder's 150 HP., doesn't matter about the RPM.

 

It's the video card that does the picture rendering, more so if it's 4K @ 60 Hz.

Best solution, with the least amount of cost, would be getting a GT 1030 / GTX 1050 / GTX 1050 Ti

 

There is supposedly an even more low-cost GT 1010 coming soon (yeah, 2021 release).

It's based off the GT 1030.

From the leaks so far, it has HDMI + DVI as output ports.

It should be able to do 4K using the HDMI port, but we won't know 100% until it actually releases...

1010 and 1030 don’t do hdr  have to get 1050 ti

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Computersarethebest said:

1010 and 1030 don’t do hdr  have to get 1050 ti

What's your current GPU?

[-rascal-]

2 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

What's your current GPU?

 

Radeon HD 6450.

That definitely doesn't have HDR or 4K support. 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, -rascal- said:

 

Radeon HD 6450.

That definitely doesn't have HDR or 4K support. 

For some reason I thought he had a 560 Ti; just wanted to make sure.

560 Ti I think came from a different thread.

Anyway.

Don't bother with the FX-8350 - just get a 1050 Ti and call it a day.

[-rascal-]

7 minutes ago, Computersarethebest said:

1010 and 1030 don’t do hdr  have to get 1050 ti

 

I'm searching 'GT 1030 4K HDR' online, and people are supposedly running 4K HDR playback with a GT 1030 without any issues.

GT 1030 looks to have HDR decoders, but no HDR encoders.

[Computersarethebest]

22 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

What's your current GPU?

Hd6450

[Computersarethebest]

15 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

I'm searching 'GT 1030 4K HDR' online, and people are supposedly running 4K HDR playback with a GT 1030 without any issues.

GT 1030 looks to have HDR decoders, but no HDR encoders.

I will have to double check this and see what people are saying on the avr forums. I would love to save money and get a 1030