900 dollar build?

[aidan22cheese]

Budget (900 cad): 

Country: Canada 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Valorant, Battlefront II, GTA V and other games.

Other details My first PC build, trying to get everything from canada computers, Anything I should change to make it better or save on money?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$154.99 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$99.99 @ Amazon Canada
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$69.99 @ Canada Computers
Video Card	EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card	$339.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$54.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$843.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-30 12:57 EST-0500

 

[Bombastinator]

What kind of “other games” can matter.  Also as a first build do you need all the peripherals too?

 

$900CAN is lower end and games like valorant are PvP shooters which require a different sort of system to maximize game experience than, say, an rpg.  PvP shooters like limited core count really high ghz processors and extremely fast small monitors with only enough gpu to be able to keep up with whatever frame rate you aim for.  Rpgs are the opposite.  More cores, bigger monitors, lower frame rates.   The middleness of the build means you have the option of better performance with PvP shooters with not-so great everything else or an all rounder that will play everything OK, but only OK. It’s possible to do a machine that will do both PvP shooters and rpgs well, but it requires quite high end CPUs that aren’t in budget.  The choices are fast 4/8 or 6/6 for shooters, or an older ryzen processor with more cores which is the “ok” option.

[aidan22cheese]

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

What kind of “other games” can matter.  Also as a first build do you need all the peripherals too?

 

$900CAN is lower end and games like valorant are PvP shooters which require a different sort of system to maximize game experience than, say, an rpg.  PvP shooters like limited core count really high ghz processors and extremely fast small monitors with only enough gpu to be able to keep up with whatever frame rate you aim for.  Rpgs are the opposite.  More cores, bigger monitors, lower frame rates.   The middleness of the build means you have the option of better performance with PvP shooters with not-so great everything else or an all rounder that will play everything OK, but only OK. It’s possible to do a machine that will do both PvP shooters and rpgs well, but it requires quite high end CPUs that aren’t in budget.  The choices are fast 4/8 or 6/6 for shooters, or an older ryzen processor with more cores which is the “ok” option.

I'm kind of new to the PC world and I don't know much about pc terms and what games to play but I'm trying to learn about them. Other games i would want to play are maybe Minecraft, Apex legends and upcoming games. For peripherals I don't know what monitor I want yet but I'm getting a redragon keyboard and I already have a mouse. I just want a decent PC that can run games smoothly, last a while and it can fit in my budget.

[Bombastinator]

13 minutes ago, aidan22cheese said:

I'm kind of new to the PC world and I don't know much about pc terms and what games to play but I'm trying to learn about them. Other games i would want to play are maybe Minecraft, Apex legends and upcoming games. For peripherals I don't know what monitor I want yet but I'm getting a redragon keyboard and I already have a mouse. I just want a decent PC that can run games smoothly, last a while and it can fit in my budget.

Minecraft is an RPG, but I remember reading somewhere that it behaves like a shooter as far as builds go. Likes a few fast threads.  That might be a server setup no a client setup though.  Minecraft will run on Java or even a phone so it’s not a big concern though.  Apex legends is a shooter but I don’t know much about it’s hardware needs.  Future unreleased gaming is unknown, but depending on how far future may need serious multithread to get by.  Near future it doesn’t need all that many threads.  
do you have a monitor you want to use already? No point in making a machine that can make fps the monitor can’t use. You seem to like FPS games so simulated surround and a set of headphones are likely to be needed.  It’s a cheaper way to do the surround needed for PvP games. (Got to know when there’s someone hidden or behind you) the build you created would be a PvP shooter build.  The NVME won’t really buy you much imho, if there’s a cheaper SATA  SSD available that has some cache on it. It’s faster but the speed isn’t materially useful.  A 1660S is kind of a 3k card. if you’ve got a 1080p@60hz monitor it may be overkill.

[aidan22cheese]

40 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Minecraft is an RPG, but I remember reading somewhere that it behaves like a shooter as far as builds go. Likes a few fast threads.  That might be a server setup no a client setup though.  Minecraft will run on Java or even a phone so it’s not a big concern though.  Apex legends is a shooter but I don’t know much about it’s hardware needs.  Future unreleased gaming is unknown, but depending on how far future may need serious multithread to get by.  Near future it doesn’t need all that many threads.  
do you have a monitor you want to use already? No point in making a machine that can make fps the monitor can’t use. You seem to like FPS games so simulated surround and a set of headphones are likely to be needed.  It’s a cheaper way to do the surround needed for PvP games. (Got to know when there’s someone hidden or behind you) the build you created would be a PvP shooter build.  The NVME won’t really buy you much imho, if there’s a cheaper SATA  SSD available that has some cache on it. It’s faster but the speed isn’t materially useful.  A 1660S is kind of a 3k card. if you’ve got a 1080p@60hz monitor it may be overkill.

I was planning on getting any monitor that was on sale when I buy all my parts that was around 24" and 75 hz under 200 cad like this one https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/14933347. I forgot to mention that I currently play on my laptop and I already have a gaming mouse and headset. The only peripherals I need right now are a monitor but I'm more focused on my build. All the SATA ssd's at canada computers are basically the same price as the NVME m.2 ssd's so I might as well get the NVME m.2 ssd one

[aidan22cheese]

By the way I think i should get a cheaper motherboard since im not going to be doing much overclocking. I only chose this one because it was on sale and it has large heatsinks and a m.2 thermal guard. I was planning on getting the asus tuf b450m plus gaming motherboard when it goes on sale. Any reccomendations for a b450m motherboard?

[Bombastinator]

? I thought you only wanted to shop at Canada computer..  75hz is better than 60hz. Generally for shooters you want to be above 90hz.  Smooths things out.  You get less return the higher you go.  30 is worse than 40 is worse than 60, is worse than 90. Above 90 it starts to be about how young your eyes are.    Above 144 it frequently requires pro level players and the difference isn’t visible without slow motion cameras even for them.  Changes the hit box points though.  Easier to do things like shoot through cracks in doors etc..  There’s an MSI optix 144hz for $250CAN that seems well rated. More money though. It says 144hz but a lot of “144hz” monitors can really only do 120hz with decent quality.  It might be cheaper other places, or there might be a better choice other places. 1080p@60 can be thought of as 1k, 1080p@120hz can be thought of as 2k, so 1080p@75hz is just a bit over 1k, more or less.  There are people who hate the whole Ks as measurement thing and their reasons aren’t bad, but it’s a handy simplification.  To meet the monitor to the video card you picked you wouldn’t want anything smaller than that.  

 

With the video card you specced you could go down a good bit on the video card and still usually make 75fps.

Edited December 29, 2020 by Bombastinator

[aidan22cheese]

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

? I thought you only wanted to shop at Canada computer..  75hz is better than 60hz. Generally for shooters you want to be above 90hz.  Smooths things out.  You get less return the higher you go.  30 is worse than 40 is worse than 60, is worse than 90. Above 90 it starts to be about how young your eyes are.    Above 144 it frequently requires pro level players and the difference isn’t visible without slow motion cameras even for them.  Changes the hit box points though.  Easier to do things like shoot through cracks in doors etc..  There’s an MSI optix 144hz for $250CAN that seems well rated. More money though. It says 144hz but a lot of “144hz” monitors can really only do 120hz with decent quality.  It might be cheaper other places, or there might be a better choice other places. 1080p@60 can be thought of as 1k, 1080p@120hz can be thought of as 2k, so 1080p@75hz is just a bit over 1k, more or less.  There are people who hate the whole Ks as measurement thing and their reasons aren’t bad, but it’s a handy simplification.  To meet the monitor to the video card you picked you wouldn’t want anything smaller than that.  

 

With the video card you specced you could go down a good bit on the video card and still usually make 75fps.

I just want to shop at any stores near me so i dont have to get it shipped to my house. I orginally planned to get the 1650 super but i dont think that 4gb of vram is future proof. the 5500xt has 8gb of vram but is less powerful than the 1650 super and it is more expensive so i went with the 1660 super.

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, aidan22cheese said:

I just want to shop at any stores near me so i dont have to get it shipped to my house. I orginally planned to get the 1650 super but i dont think that 4gb of vram is future proof. the 5500xt has 8gb of vram but is less powerful than the 1650 super and it is more expensive so i went with the 1660 super.

PvP shooter builds just aren’t futureproof to begin with.  4/8 isn’t going to last that long.  It’s probably got a year in it.  GPUs are traditionally horrible long term parts most often.  Basically the only component with even potential long legs is the mobo, and anticilliaries (case, PSU, storage,  etc..). As a temporary card I actually kind of like the 1650 nonS because it takes zero power cables which gives it bonus resale value. It would be big enough for that Best Buy monitor. I’m not a fan of buying any new GPUs except amphere or 6000 series atm. Plonk a moldy old used 580 in it, and run it till the wheels come off, or a new gpu comes out at your price tier.  A 580 will run cyberpunk at 1080 low which isn’t even remotely great, but is arguably enough.  The things have a ton of memory in them. 

[Xt1nxt_Ace]

11 hours ago, aidan22cheese said:

Budget (900 cad): 

Country: Canada 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Valorant, Battlefront II, GTA V and other games.

Other details My first PC build, trying to get everything from canada computers, Anything I should change to make it better or save on money?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$154.99 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$119.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$69.99 @ Canada Computers
Video Card	EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card	$339.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$54.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$863.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-29 13:35 EST-0500

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$154.99 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$59.99 @ Canada Computers
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Canada Computers
Video Card	EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$359.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Rosewill Prism M ATX Mid Tower Case	$54.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$54.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$903.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-30 01:06 EST-0500

This would be much better, also its in usd right now

[Xt1nxt_Ace]

Btw you can change the psu a little if u want

[aidan22cheese]

11 hours ago, Xt1nxt_Ace said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$154.99 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$59.99 @ Canada Computers
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Canada Computers
Video Card	EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$359.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Rosewill Prism M ATX Mid Tower Case	$54.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$54.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$903.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-30 01:06 EST-0500

This would be much better, also its in usd right now

isnt this an ATX motherboard but a mATX case?

[aidan22cheese]

15 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

PvP shooter builds just aren’t futureproof to begin with.  4/8 isn’t going to last that long.  It’s probably got a year in it.  GPUs are traditionally horrible long term parts most often.  Basically the only component with even potential long legs is the mobo, and anticilliaries (case, PSU, storage,  etc..). As a temporary card I actually kind of like the 1650 nonS because it takes zero power cables which gives it bonus resale value. It would be big enough for that Best Buy monitor. I’m not a fan of buying any new GPUs except amphere or 6000 series atm. Plonk a moldy old used 580 in it, and run it till the wheels come off, or a new gpu comes out at your price tier.  A 580 will run cyberpunk at 1080 low which isn’t even remotely great, but is arguably enough.  The things have a ton of memory in them. 

Which GPU would last me the longest? Between the 1650, 1650s, 580, 5500xt and 1660 super.

[VEXICUS]

Slightly tweaked your build...

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($154.99 @ Canada Computers) 

Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada) 

Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg Canada) 

Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($65.99 @ Newegg Canada) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card ($339.00 @ Canada Computers) 

Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($49.75 @ Vuugo) 

Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada) 

Total: $854.69

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-30 12:42 EST-0500

[aidan22cheese]

10 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

Slightly tweaked your build...

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($154.99 @ Canada Computers) 

Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada) 

Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg Canada) 

Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($65.99 @ Newegg Canada) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card ($339.00 @ Canada Computers) 

Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($49.75 @ Vuugo) 

Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada) 

Total: $854.69

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-30 12:42 EST-0500

I like this one since it has a cheaper motherboard. I think i would spend $10 more on the motherboard and get this one https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1832_1833&item_id=123705. It still mATX, looks better in my opinion, better heatsink and a m.2 thermal guard

[VEXICUS]

7 minutes ago, aidan22cheese said:

I like this one since it has a cheaper motherboard. I think i would spend $10 more on the motherboard and get this one https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1832_1833&item_id=123705. It still mATX, looks better in my opinion, better heatsink and a m.2 thermal guard

The gigabyte board might be better in looks, but it is comparatively an inferior board as compared to the one that I recommended above.

 

You can refer this tier list for more info..

 

 

[MS10]

On 12/29/2020 at 11:07 PM, aidan22cheese said:

Budget (900 cad): 

Country: Canada 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Valorant, Battlefront II, GTA V and other games.

Other details My first PC build, trying to get everything from canada computers, Anything I should change to make it better or save on money?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$154.99 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$99.99 @ Amazon Canada
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$69.99 @ Canada Computers
Video Card	EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card	$339.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$54.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$843.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-30 12:57 EST-0500

 

well you can add 50$ more and get AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for 200$ amazon

[Xt1nxt_Ace]

2 hours ago, aidan22cheese said:

isnt this an ATX motherboard but a mATX case?

No its not

[Xt1nxt_Ace]

1 hour ago, MS10 said:

well you can add 50$ more and get AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for 200$ amazon

3100 is the same as the 2600 just less cores and threads

[Xt1nxt_Ace]

2 hours ago, aidan22cheese said:

isnt this an ATX motherboard but a mATX case?

The name is Prism M and its a atx case

[Xt1nxt_Ace]

1 hour ago, MS10 said:

well you can add 50$ more and get AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for 200$ amazon

If you want more cores and threads but the same performance go ahead

[aidan22cheese]

1 hour ago, VEXICUS said:

The gigabyte board might be better in looks, but it is comparatively an inferior board as compared to the one that I recommended above.

 

You can refer this tier list for more info..

 

 

oh yea the asus one is definatly better than the aorus one. Thanks!

[aidan22cheese]

1 hour ago, Xt1nxt_Ace said:

If you want more cores and threads but the same performance go ahead

Isnt the 3100 slightly better though because its newer?

[Bombastinator]

4 hours ago, aidan22cheese said:

Which GPU would last me the longest? Between the 1650, 1650s, 580, 5500xt and 1660 super.

Which gpu type has the greatest reliability? Or are you asking us about predicting the future?

[aidan22cheese]

8 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Which gpu type has the greatest reliability? Or are you asking us about predicting the future?

reliability and which ones the most powerful