Testing CAT cable

[Exidor]

Ok guys I have a stupid question.

 

Is there a way to test if a cat cable can take 10 gig.

I live in a fairly new apartment and it is precabled all the cables run in the wall....

Now I have access to the termination points. The cables are marked as CAT 6 so in theory they should take 10gig....

The apartment is small so no run is longer than 15m.

I tested the cables with a normal tester but that thing only tells if the cable works.

How can i test if it actually runs 10gig? Any way without crazy expensive equipment?

[Electronics Wizardy]

There is equement that can do it, but its not cheap.

 

Id just test it with devices with 10g ports, and if you can pass traffic at line speed with no issues, its probably fine. 

[Exidor]

This is the issue

 

I only have 1 10 gig capable PC.

And I am contemplating if it is worth moving to a 10gig net router.

And I would be mighty pissed if I buy a 10gig router and find out the cables dont support it.

The cables run through concrete......

 

How much is such a tester? Can anybody link me to one? 

[Exidor]

So also in case those cables are not 10gig ready.

How would I fix that?

 

I tried reading up on 10gig and it seams you need special type of termination device.

You can not just manually terminate the cable with a normal hand press?

Is that true or bullshit?

[Electronics Wizardy]

5 minutes ago, Exidor said:

This is the issue

 

I only have 1 10 gig capable PC.

And I am contemplating if it is worth moving to a 10gig net router.

And I would be mighty pissed if I buy a 10gig router and find out the cables dont support it.

The cables run through concrete......

 

How much is such a tester? Can anybody link me to one? 

What do you want to connect to a 10g speeds? If you don't have a nas it will make no difference.

 

Fluke makes tests, but I think there all in the thousands at least.

 

1 minute ago, Exidor said:

I tried reading up on 10gig and it seams you need special type of termination device.

You can not just manually terminate the cable with a normal hand press?

Is that true or bullshit?

You can do it normally, it just uses cat 6/6a.

 

1 minute ago, Exidor said:

So also in case those cables are not 10gig ready.

How would I fix that?

Id try changing the ends first, then if that doesn't work, it is likely a issue with the cable in the walls.

[Exidor]

Yea I figured I should look at the ends first.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SAC-Electronics-C2051-RJ45-Crimping/dp/B00HACNMC4

So to clarify just to clarify such a thing would work just a normal crimping tool?

 

 

Well my main rig is also my NAS it runs a RAID array.

So all the other people could connect to it like streaming devices and laptops etc....

 

I do not really need it but it might be nice.

This is why I am undecided.

[Electronics Wizardy]

19 minutes ago, Exidor said:

Yea I figured I should look at the ends first.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SAC-Electronics-C2051-RJ45-Crimping/dp/B00HACNMC4

So to clarify just to clarify such a thing would work just a normal crimping tool?

 

Id put terminal blocks on it, not the rj45 male ends so you can easily change cables, but it will work fine.

 

20 minutes ago, Exidor said:

Well my main rig is also my NAS it runs a RAID array.

So all the other people could connect to it like streaming devices and laptops etc....

Do those devices have 10g links? If not, it won't many any difference as the link will be at 1g speeds.

 

What switch do you have? Does your switch support 10g?

[Exidor]

Currently I am contemplating a new set up.

 

Just thinking if it is worth going 10gig.

No they have 1 gig but if several pull at the same time.

And possibly if I stream something.....

 

 

I kind of know that I dont really need the speed.

My network is only 300/300 But if I DL something with my main rig that is also the NAS and at the same time stream something with two 1gig devices or using WiFi6 I could blow past 1gig.....

 

It is a long stretch I know but I am thinking that this might future proof the network?

Then again by then I will probably get a new router any way.

[Exidor]

I am basically choosing between this two routers.

Asus Router RT-AX89X
ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000

 

I need a lot of ports and something where I can run better software to run both a VPN client and a server.....

Now I am thinking if it is worth it to spend cash on 10gig that I dont really need yet but what would future proof the system.....

 

I dont want to mess around with enterprise routers or building my own. I also do not have a rack or too much space.

Right now I think that before 10gig becomes mainstream enough I will probably get a new router.

[Electronics Wizardy]

29 minutes ago, Exidor said:

I am basically choosing between this two routers.

Asus Router RT-AX89X
ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000

 

I need a lot of ports and something where I can run better software to run both a VPN client and a server.....

Now I am thinking if it is worth it to spend cash on 10gig that I dont really need yet but what would future proof the system.....

 

I dont want to mess around with enterprise routers or building my own. I also do not have a rack or too much space.

Right now I think that before 10gig becomes mainstream enough I will probably get a new router.

If you want 10g, id get a switch with 10g instead of having the router deal with the 10g speeds.

 

How many ports do you need?

 

Id probably wait for 10g stuff to get cheaper and more common, as there will be a very small benfit for your use case.

[Exidor]

8 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

If you want 10g, id get a switch with 10g instead of having the router deal with the 10g speeds.

 

How many ports do you need?

 

Id probably wait for 10g stuff to get cheaper and more common, as there will be a very small benfit for your use case.

The beauty of that router is that it can have two 10gig ports. So you can plug a 10gig switch later into it.

And have the benefit of possibly even running a 10gig network.

Although right now the fiber where I live caps out at 1gig 

 

But I also kind of feel that this router wont live long enough for 10gig to become commonplace enough.

 

 

I probably need like 4 10gig ports to rebuild my whole network.

 

 

Any thoughts on the ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000 ?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, Exidor said:

The beauty of that router is that it can have 2gig ports. So you can plug a 10gig switch later into it.

And have the benefit of possibly even running a 10gig network.

Although right now the fiber where I live caps out at 1gig 

 

But I also kind of feel that this router wont live long enough for 10gig to become commonplace enough.

 

 

I probably need like 4 10gig ports to rebuild my whole network.

 

 

Any thoughts on the ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000 ?

THat router won't really help with a 10g setup at all, it has a 2.5g wan port, but that likely won't matter, and thats on the wan side, not the lan side, so it wouldn't plug into a switch.

 

For things like streaming movies, 1g is still more than enough, and it will be a while before 10g provides a noticeable benefit for normal internet usage.

 

Id probably get a cheaper router as it likely won't matter for your use case.

 

 

[Exidor]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

THat router won't really help with a 10g setup at all, it has a 2.5g wan port, but that likely won't matter, and thats on the wan side, not the lan side, so it wouldn't plug into a switch.

 

For things like streaming movies, 1g is still more than enough, and it will be a while before 10g provides a noticeable benefit for normal internet usage.

 

Id probably get a cheaper router as it likely won't matter for your use case.

 

 

No the 10 gig one is this Asus Router RT-AX89X

 

But I am leaning towards that I dont really need 10gig so might save a buck and get this ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000

 

As I feel the router will get dated before I move my whole network to 10gig

 

 

As I said I need a router that can run both a VPN client and server at the same time.

And the ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000 seems to be one of the few off the shelf ones that would run it well at a OKish price.

I know that I would need to change the OS.

[Electronics Wizardy]

3 minutes ago, Exidor said:

No the 10 gig one is this Asus Router RT-AX89X

 

But I am leaning towards that I dont really need 10gig so might save a buck and get this ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000

 

As I feel the router will get dated before I move my whole network to 10gig

 

 

As I said I need a router that can run both a VPN client and server at the same time.

And the ASUS RT-AX88U AX6000 seems to be one of the few off the shelf ones that would run it well at a OKish price.

I know that I would need to change the OS.

Have you looked at the ubiquity products like the edge router? Should meed your vpn needs and work well here. Then get one of their access points for wifi. And you don't need to flash the firmware to do vpn setups.

 

BUt that seems like it will work fine for your use

[Exidor]

4 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Have you looked at the ubiquity products like the edge router? Should meed your vpn needs and work well here. Then get one of their access points for wifi. And you don't need to flash the firmware to do vpn setups.

 

BUt that seems like it will work fine for your use

 

Yea I have they seem kind of expensive for what I am building.... Used them at the office good hardware.

Also more rack mounted I guess not really a home setup thing

[Exidor]

So can anybody link me to a 10gig tester? So I would at least approximately know how much that thing costs and what it looks like might be able to rent one?

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Exidor said:

 

Yea I have they seem kind of expensive for what I am building.... Used them at the office good hardware.

Also more rack mounted I guess not really a home setup thing

they have the edge router lite, about 100 bucks, handles your speeds and vpn uses fine it seems. THen get a ap like the nano hd.

[Exidor]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

they have the edge router lite, about 100 bucks, handles your speeds and vpn uses fine it seems. THen get a ap like the nano hd.

I will think about it but then I would also need a WiFi hot spot. So that would be basically the same price as the Asus but take up more space and run more cables....

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Exidor said:

I will think about it but then I would also need a WiFi hot spot. So that would be basically the same price as the Asus but take up more space and run more cables....

But you also get a better router, wither better vpn support, and you can replace the wifi and router indivually, so its easier and cheaper to upgrade to 10g.

[Exidor]

5 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

But you also get a better router, wither better vpn support, and you can replace the wifi and router indivually, so its easier and cheaper to upgrade to 10g.

Hmm the 6port one would set me back 210 euros plus the WiFi

 

 

I feel that that is kind of a waste that thing still cant handle 10gig networking.

And it would be more expensive than the Asus with the WiFi hotspot.

 

If I was going 10gig I would probably go for Ubiquity.

Yes their software is better but hardware wise it is not much better than the Asus....

[Exidor]

The WiFi 6is another 80 bucks....

 

Ok more or less the same price but I am thinking

 

 

Asus has better WiFi.....

But the Ubiquiti has hardware acceleration for wired.

[Electronics Wizardy]

3 hours ago, Exidor said:

Hmm the 6port one would set me back 210 euros plus the WiFi

get a switch, a 20g one if you want. you dont wwant the router to be switching if it doesnt have to

 

 

[Exidor]

So I looked more into this.

Seems those tester that would actually test a 10gig network are very expensive several thousand Euros expensive.....

Could not even find anywhere locally where I could rent one.

 

So I put the whole 10gig project on hold for now.

I can only hope that the CAT6 cables in my walls were put in according to spec.