New build for years to come ~2000 EUR budget

[pcorkus]

Budget (including currency): 2000 EUR

Country: EU

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 1080p gaming (2k after changing the GPU in the future), running VMs, multimedia

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Hi everyone, new guy here. After watching for a couple of years the videos on the LTT Youtube channel, also mostly pushed by the need of making sure that my planned build is feasible from a technical point of view, I've decided to join the LTT forums as well, since it looks like the go-to place for techies and qualified advice.

 

So, long story short, I'm building a rig with mostly new parts, only the PSU, GPU, case and a few SATA SSDs from my old one are transitioned to the new system.

 

PSU: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/Gaming-Series™-GS800-—-80-PLUS®-Certified-Power-Supply/p/CMPSU-800G
GPU: https://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=987&lang=en

 

Here's the PCPartPicker link for the build - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7f8QZf

 

Now I deliberately left out the parts that seem a bit problematic for me to mix&match in this new system.

 

Although the QVL list for the mainboard does not list the modules I eyed, the other specs for the module tell me that this *should* work ok with the mainboard I am looking at - https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-3200MHz-Single-HX432C16FB3A-32/dp/B08CXXZD75

I would also be very thankful if someone could explain the things I've underlined with red in the header of the QVL list (I wont' ask about "Native" since I presume that that is the speed that the module works "out-of-the-box" prior to enabling XMP and reaching the speed mentioned in the first column; or is that speed the maximum speed that it can reach oc'd to the max?)



I am planning on buying 4 of these (2/month) due to...well, financial limitations. Buying a kit of 4*32 at once is out of discussion due to the aforementioned reasons. Any advice on pairing 4 of these with the motherboard? I've heard people having trouble with certain modules on X570 boards, in that they don't work at the max specified frequency (e.g. 3000 instead of 3200). Ok, 200 MHz is not a big deal, but I'm afraid not to bump into higher differences (e.g. 2400 instead of 3200), dual-channel or quad-channel not working or, even worse, complete incompatibility.

 

Moving on to the storage area:

OS "disk": https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-500GB-Internal-Gaming-MZ-V8P500B/dp/B08GL575DB
Gaming "disk": https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-PRO-Internal-MZ-V7P1T0BW/dp/B07BYHGNB5

 

That's all folks, I hope I haven't bored the hell out of you, since I'm fairly sure you get to see and respond to hundreds if not more of such topics, but for the first time in my life I'm quite lost when building a new system, it looks like all the manufacturers are sworn to confuse the average enthusiast with all kinds of designations, numbers, "x"'s and stuff like that. In 2016 when I last built a system it took no more than 10-15 minutes of finding a well-balanced configuration, but, well, times change.

 

Thanks once again guys!

 

 

[Coolmaster]

I would wait until Ryzen 5000 is released before buying anything. If you can fit in your budget a 5800X, it would have a nice bump in single threaded performance, or get a price cut for the 3000 series. Also that motherboard is pretty overkill for a 3700X, you don't really need a motherboard that costs as much as your CPU, I would recommend the https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Mxbt6/msi-mag-b550-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550-tomahawk for B550 but if you need the features of X570 I'd get this board https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XV6qqs/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-elite-wifi Also those Samsung drives are pretty overkill, if you're not consistently moving large files you can get a drive like this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fkprxr/western-digital-sn750-2-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds200t3x0c which is cheaper and higher capacity.

[pcorkus]

Hi Coolmaster,

 

thanks for the reply and your input man!

 

I forgot to mention in first place that I already bought the CPU and the cooler. Did this right after watching AMD's launch of the new CPUs, the 15-20% in performance are not really that important to me, so I'm fine with the 7 3700x.

 

True, the mobo is quite expensive and I am still pondering if I should lash out that much money on it. Tbh I've looked at the B chipsets as well, but I'd call MSI's implementations (even in the X570 chipsets) thieveries. Even if they put 2*M.2 slots on the board, the second one won't work (or work at a ridiculous x1) when the first one is being used. This seems to be the general sentiment after looking at several manufacturers implementations - it's always minus one slot from what you see on the mainboard itself. That's why I liked this Aorus X570 Ultra, at least I get to remain with 2 fully functional M.2 slots, plus it has Wifi, BT, etc, which I can't really find at the same price point at Asus/MSI/ASRock etc

 

I'm also going to consider your suggestion for the gaming "disk", but for the OS one I'd stick with the best the market has to offer, Windows has an innate talent of somehow managing to bring even the most powerful hardware you throw at it to its knees, in time, so at least I want to give it a hard time too

 

Cheers!

 

[Coolmaster]

2 hours ago, pcorkus said:

I'm also going to consider your suggestion for the gaming "disk", but for the OS one I'd stick with the best the market has to offer, Windows has an innate talent of somehow managing to bring even the most powerful hardware you throw at it to its knees, in time, so at least I want to give it a hard time too

 

Windows day to day tasks usually use the 4k read/write speeds of a drive. So what matters for day to day use with Windows would be how fast the drive can transfer small files. Generally SSDs have pretty close 4k speeds, so what really matters is the amount of cache and if its not an hard drive. The Samsung drives won't have that much more of either and the max speeds don't really effect day to day performance.

 

2 hours ago, pcorkus said:

plus it has Wifi, BT, etc, which I can't really find at the same price point at Asus/MSI/ASRock etc

You can get a Wireless add-in card for your PC, it doesn't have to be built into the motherboard. And there are comperable B550 boards that are cheaper that have Wireless built into them too like this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi

 

2 hours ago, pcorkus said:

Even if they put 2*M.2 slots on the board, the second one won't work (or work at a ridiculous x1) when the first one is being used.

B550 boards have support for 2 M.2 drives. It is just that only one of them is PCIe gen4, but neither of the drives you have listed or I have recommended use PCIe gen4 so running at PCIe gen3 won't impact performance. The only issue with B550 M.2 would be using more than 2 M.2 slots which only X570 would support, without an add-in card.

[pcorkus]

Though, the Samsung 980 Pro is PCIe gen4...so I'd have that running at lower speeds in a B550 mobo (if, at all?!) That's my main issue with that chipset and the reason I try to avoid it.

 

I agree with your first point on the drives, still I want to get the best available stuff in that category, just for the sake of it and since the budget allows as well...

 

What worries me the most though as expressed in my initial post is the modules I found and cannot determine if they will work fine with this motherboard due to them not being listed on the QVL. Through fine I mean close to specified speeds (3200 MHz) and dual-channel, I'm not sure if the Ultra can do quad-channel with 4 of those...