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In my opinion, there a couple of big factors that make bash (or any linux shell) easier to get into that windows command line.

* Windows maintains both Powershell and cmd.exe and they do not have feature parity. (eg. mklink is cmd only)

* By default, a user can't even run their own self written Powershell scripts

* Most important system settings are handled via Control Panel or the Registry and not either CLI

* Related to the last one, none of these settings are stored in text files like on Linux

* While powershell's object based system makes some things easier, it's not universal and doesn't really allow for easy tool chaining like bash

 

The main reason behind all of these things is basically the same; Microsoft themselves just don't see the command line as an important interface to a Windows System. I've got a Ubuntu Server with no gui. It works just fine and there's no limit on what I can use it for. Imagine if I gave you command line only access to a Windows Server, you wouldn't really be able to do anything at all with it.

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Why do I feel that the Linux command line make more sense than the Windows command line?

 

RD should be RM

MD should be mkdir

 

It make logical sense to me!

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Because you likely learned the command line on Linux instead of on Windows, so of course it makes more sense to you.

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3 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Because you likely learned the command line on Linux instead of on Windows, so of course it makes more sense to you.

But I just started linux 2 years ago. Ive always used Windows for everything else and Windows still confuses me!

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It's just different syntax. Welcome to the world of programming languages

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Just now, mahyar said:

well yeah but the discussion is about which is easier 

 

I think that's relative to the person 

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RD = Remove Directory

MD = Make Directory

I think that makes a ton of sense, you type less for the same output.

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1 minute ago, SupaKomputa said:

RD = Remove Directory

MD = Make Directory

I think that makes a ton of sense, you type less for the same output.

well more is not always worse imo mkdir is easier to remember 

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Just now, mahyar said:

well more is not always worse imo mkdir is easier to remember 

I totally agree. MD and RM are technically the same thing, but RM especially only contains characters of “remove.”

New users be like: What exactly am I removing?

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In my opinion, there a couple of big factors that make bash (or any linux shell) easier to get into that windows command line.

* Windows maintains both Powershell and cmd.exe and they do not have feature parity. (eg. mklink is cmd only)

* By default, a user can't even run their own self written Powershell scripts

* Most important system settings are handled via Control Panel or the Registry and not either CLI

* Related to the last one, none of these settings are stored in text files like on Linux

* While powershell's object based system makes some things easier, it's not universal and doesn't really allow for easy tool chaining like bash

 

The main reason behind all of these things is basically the same; Microsoft themselves just don't see the command line as an important interface to a Windows System. I've got a Ubuntu Server with no gui. It works just fine and there's no limit on what I can use it for. Imagine if I gave you command line only access to a Windows Server, you wouldn't really be able to do anything at all with it.

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3 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Because you likely learned the command line on Linux instead of on Windows, so of course it makes more sense to you.

 

3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

It's just different syntax. Welcome to the world of programming languages

This is certainly one factor but historically the Windows command line has been severely underdeveloped and overall much less useful than, say, bash. CMD.exe has barely developed past legacy DOS support and DOS was never designed to be a multiprocessing, multiuser system - unlike Linux and other unix-like systems. Microsoft made a decision to essentially ditch the command like except for the sake of backwards compatibility back in the '90s and it shows to this day even though they changed their approach along the way. Powershell is a decent effort to make the command line actually usable on Windows but it's held back by legacy systems like the registry which were designed to be mainly interacted with graphically.

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7 minutes ago, Sauron said:

This is certainly one factor but historically the Windows command line has been severely underdeveloped and overall much less useful than, say, bash.

This may be true, I mostly said my comment because I have zero experience with Windows command line so it's a bit unfair to compare it to bash which I use every day.

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