Why doesn't Ukraine want to be part of Russia?

[meritmaster]

euro zone was on upward trend until that economic explosion on the western side of the atlantic, the old addage of america sneezes europe catches a cold still holds true, there hasn't been consistent growth in alot of eurozone countries in recent years because people are nervous about the debt held by certain countries and how that would be dealt with ie if countries like greece would default on their debt, which would have started a domino reaction, and set a bad precedent, uncertainty is always detrimental to the market, this was reflected not only in european markets but elsewhere.

 

And mr farage, probably an ok bloke in person but as a politician he's taken somewhat with a large pinch of salt, he's the leader of a right of center  (pritty much the most right party in the uk). His party is pritty much considered the 4th political party which has made gains in recent years partly from protest votes and disgruntled voters that would have traditionally voted for the traditional right of center party the conservatives. They've also made gains because the liberals vote collapsed due to their inability to follow through on what attracted alot of temporary and young voters at the last general election which have vanished since due to their expectations not been instantly met.

"euro zone was on upward trend until that economic explosion on the western side of the atlantic, the old addage of america sneezes europe catches a cold still holds true, there hasn't been consistent growth in alot of eurozone countries in recent years because people are nervous about the debt held by certain countries and how that would be dealt with ie if countries like greece would default on their debt, which would have started a domino reaction, and set a bad precedent, uncertainty is always detrimental to the market, this was reflected not only in european markets but elsewhere."

 

""euro zone was on upward trend until that economic explosion on the western side of the atlantic, the old addage of america sneezes europe catches a cold still holds true"-

Even though our tax money bails the EU out ... o ya the EU must of not told you. We pay for your bullshit. Kinda gives me a right to voice my opinion since my money went to your system of insanity. 

 

"there hasn't been consistent growth in alot of eurozone countries in recent years because people are nervous about the debt held by certain countries and how that would be dealt with ie if countries like greece would default on their debt"

 

Let people take care of them selves? Stop wasting money, stop paying for people to go leave on their job for extended period of time; just so they can look for something new, stop having the business or a tax fund to pay for it, stop wasting money on worthless studies, and "green technology", let people be individuals; not part of a collective, stop paying for housing, food, and subsidizing people who are lazy, and don't feel like they have to work for anything. You waste money you don't have. That is how where you got where you are, and this is why you keep going there. "The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize

they can bribe the people with their own money."

 

- Alexis de Tocqueville (1805–1859)  

Goes the same for you buddy. Nature is nature { also check out my signature, and perhaps you will see why America is not doing so well at the moment.}

 

"And mr farage, probably an ok bloke in person but as a politician he's taken somewhat with a large pinch of salt, he's the leader of a right of center  (pritty much the most right party in the uk)."

Right is bad?

[ToxicFire]

"And mr farage, probably an ok bloke in person but as a politician he's taken somewhat with a large pinch of salt, he's the leader of a right of center  (pritty much the most right party in the uk)."

Right is bad?

 

 Its the fact that his party is not considered a serious contender by the majority that things he says should be taken with a large pinch of salt. An the right can be bad, depends how far along that scale you go, towards the center right you have parties like the conservatives, and ukip which are normal political parties expressing conservative viewpoints, but keep going further to the right and you end up a place where hitler and stalin reside.

[SirRoderick]

Inconsistent and inconstancy  

 

.EU...... right buddy

So when presented with cold hard facts about how you're wrong, you just resort to brushing them off and pretending like nothing happened? The numbers prove you wrong, hell some EU countries have BETTER growth than the US.

 

See you're perfectly free to express your opinion on politics, but what you're doing is approaching the insanity of conspiracy. You're twisting facts, presenting false information, ranting on and on about glorious mother America (not an accidental turn of phrase) like it's the bloody fifties again...what are you trying to accomplish with a hostile attitude like that? No one is going to be convinced by antagonism. You're just lashing out. My deeply socialist and secular, liberal nation has been doing absolutely fine thank you very much and if you were to represent the American people with these rants I'd rather jump off a bridge than move there.

 

I know not all americans are like this, but this is one of the main reasons so many people hate your country, overly manic patriots that disregard facts and common sense to promote their own agendas. And I wish it would stop being acceptable, because you're better than that.

[Paralectic]

The question is.... Will this lead to the next world war?

Ofcourse not, Europe and the USA aren't that stupid to start a world war over a conflict in a country where 60 percent of the people Russians themselves, I don't even think Russia is very wrong at claiming their land back.

[alpenwasser]

Dear OP,


The world is an infinitely more complex system than "us" vs "them".
It always has been, it probably always will be.

I'm not a political scholar, or a particularly sage individual, but I have
been  lucky  enough  to have  enjoyed  a  rather  thorough (public)
education. And thinking about what I learned, I can't help but think
that  you   seem    to   be   suffering    from  a   few   rather   severe

misonceptions about what exactly Socialism and Communism are

and are not.

Which  ideology (free market, socialism, communism) you consider

to be superior, I really don't care too much about. And btw., arguing

ideologies    leaves    out    the    rather    important   fact   that   the

implementation  of an ideology in practice can  wildly  vary  in  in  its

form and result in very different systems even under the  umbrella

of  seemlingly  the  same  ideological framework  (your free market

is not equal to our free market, Soviet communism  is  not equal to

Chinese  communism  is  not  equal  to  North Korean Communism

and  so  on).  But  whichever  one  it  is,  if you  want to advocate its

merits, I would highly recommend you get to know all three of them.

Thoroughly.

We don't really mind the occasional political discussion here (in fact
there  has  been  a  very recent thread that actually went pretty well

for the most part), but what we're not particularly keen on are flame

wars, which is why I'll be locking this thread.

Once   you   have  informed  yourself  to  a  sufficient  degree  (and

considering there are people who study these subjects  for years, I

recommend you  do a few weeks of very thorough  reading at least

if you're really serious about it), you are welcome to come back and

argue  your  point,  whatever  that point may be, without needing to

fall back on inaccurate generalizations  and  arguments  that,  quite

frankly, sound  a bit  like  conspiracy  theories lifted  form a cold war

political pamphlet targeted at high school students.

You  actually make a few  valid points  in your opening post (Stalin's
general propensity for killing and/or letting die massive amounts of
people, e.g. in  the Holodomor), so  I think if you put your mind to it,
you  should be  able  to  do  this.  And  if  you  argue your point well

instead of falling back to simplistic political slogans, the chances of

there being a good discussion also vastly improve.

 

We thank you for your cooperation.

 

 

EDIT:

There seems  to have  been a  misunderstanding about why I have

locked this thread. The reason was to prevent this from deteriorating

into a full-out flame war, not because of OP's opinions.

 

 

Sorry  about that.