fx 6300 or i3 4130? really confused!

[Suika]

#2 You know AMD, the ones that make the CPUs? Yeah them, according to them. It is 3.8GHz.

http://shop.amd.com/US/All/Detail/Processor/FD4130FRGUBOX?SearchFacets=category%3AProcessor

As I've said before start getting your information from legit sources.

He's talking about the Intel i3-4130, not the AMD FX-4130.

The i3-4130 does have better performance per core vs. even an FX-9590.

[Opcode]

ok guys enough with the argue, i will pick an answer but can i get cheap motherboard for both cpus? and btw if i buy 6300 i will not overclock it ,because im worried will not work on a cheap mobo ,so its ok for me for not over clocking it , i just want to know if can i use a cheap motherboard and use fx 6300 or i3 4130 for gaming? does the performance will affect on it?

If you don't plan on overclocking go with the i3-4130, it's the better option. As for motherboards, look for something like the Gigabyte GA-H87M-D3H. You don't need the expensive Z87 chipset as you don't plan on overclocking. That is if you can find it from a supplier near you. If you need cheaper, don't be afraid to bump down to a H81 or B85 chipset. The CPU itself is the important part for gaming performance, and stock vs stock the i3-4130 wins by a long shot.

 

A side question I have is what hardware do you already own? And what hardware do you need to buy for your new build?

[gilkevinaxl]

If you don't plan on overclocking go with the i3-4130, it's the better option. As for motherboards, look for something like the Gigabyte GA-H87M-D3H. You don't need the expensive Z87 chipset as you don't plan on overclocking. That is if you can find it from a supplier near you. If you need cheaper, don't be afraid to bump down to a H81 or B85 chipset. The CPU itself is the important part for gaming performance, and stock vs stock the i3-4130 wins by a long shot.

 

A side question I have is what hardware do you already own? And what hardware do you need to buy for your new build?

i have a dumb old pentium 4 506 ,and without a graphics card so i really need a new rig for gaming,now if i go for intel this would be my build

cpu: core i3 4130

mobo: MSI H81M-E33 ( if this board is ok)

ram: 4gb 1333/1600 any brand

gpu: r7 260x (i cant stretch any of that instead of any other card cost $150 here)

psu: corsair vs 450

case: any brand with a little bit cooling fans

[Mentalguy]

ok guys enough with the argue, i will pick an answer but can i get cheap motherboard for both cpus? and btw if i buy 6300 i will not overclock it ,because im worried will not work on a cheap mobo ,so its ok for me for not over clocking it , i just want to know if can i use a cheap motherboard and use fx 6300 or i3 4130 for gaming? does the performance will affect on it?

Normally, I'd say go with the 6300, it is a bit more powerful cpu. but I dont know where you are buying from so I can tell you if a board is good or not (some have bad vrm). On the intel side, you dont have this with haswell.

 

 

It also depends on the games you plan on playing.

[Mentalguy]

mobo: MSI H81M-E33 ( if this board is ok)

If that is where you are buying from, go intel. any good amd board is 2x this one's price.

[gilkevinaxl]

Normally, I'd say go with the 6300, it is a bit more powerful cpu. but I dont know where you are buying from so I can tell you if a board is good or not (some have bad vrm). On the intel side, you dont have this with haswell.

 

 

It also depends on the games you plan on playing.

i want to play current games like crysis 3 farcry 3 , AC black flag nfs rivals and newer games, i want to go with the 6300 but im worried about the power consumption for our monthly bills,and what are VRM? can u plss tell me, thanks

[Opcode]

i have a dumb old pentium 4 506 ,and without a graphics card so i really need a new rig for gaming,now if i go for intel this would be my build

cpu: core i3 4130

mobo: MSI H81M-E33 ( if this board is ok)

ram: 4gb 1333/1600 any brand

gpu: r7 260x (i cant stretch any of that instead of any other card cost $150 here)

psu: corsair vs 450

case: any brand with a little bit cooling fans

I personally would use this board over any MSI board. The i3-4130 will out perform the FX-6300 in gaming. You will hit a GPU bottleneck long before a CPU bottleneck in any game.

[Mentalguy]

i want to go with the 6300 but im worried about the power consumption for our monthly bills

its not gonna be a factor

 

and what are VRM

VRM regulates the power to the CPU, if you have a low end VRM, it can cause problems if it can handle a CPU's power draw.

[Ja Krispie]

I personally would use this board over any MSI board. The i3-4130 will out perform the FX-6300 in gaming. You will hit a GPU bottleneck long before a CPU bottleneck in any game.

Running a 6350 with a GTX 780, I'm no where near hitting a CPU bottleneck. I actually put up FPS numbers equivalent to benchmarks using an intel setup

[Priller]

 

You do know the 4130 is a model i3 from Intel. 

 

Yup. I was just showing Faa how annoying it is when he changes things to make himself right.  

 

Threads where the OP asks about 2 specific mobos and he breaks out the PC Part Picker for the I3 or I5 instead of answering the OPs question. Almost every AMD thread that he enters, he doesn't help, instead he talks about Intel and IPC. Mean while the OP was asking about AMD motherboards or anything else AMD.

[Ja Krispie]

Yup. I was just showing Faa how annoying it is when he changes things to make himself right.  

 

Threads where the OP asks about 2 specific mobos and he breaks out the PC Part Picker for the I3 or I5 instead of answering the OPs question. Almost every AMD thread that he enters, he doesn't help, instead he talks about Intel and IPC. Mean while the OP was asking about AMD motherboards or anything else AMD.

What did he change? The OP was talking about the i3 4130, not the FX 4130

[gilkevinaxl]

its not gonna be a factor

 

VRM regulates the power to the CPU, if you have a low end VRM, it can cause problems if it can handle a CPU's power draw.

 

its not gonna be a factor

 

VRM regulates the power to the CPU, if you have a low end VRM, it can cause problems if it can handle a CPU's power draw.

ok i should know if a MOBO have a good VRM?for example is this board ASRock 960GM-VGS3 FX , is this enough to run the fx 6300 on a good condition?

[Priller]

What did he change? The OP was talking about the i3 4130, not the FX 4130

 

Just showing him how annoying it would be to talk to himself.

 

Look at thread title:

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/124680-what-mobo-for-gaming-fx-83208350-and-cpu-cooler/

 

Another one of his posts appears to be deleted by a mod by others can be found quickly.

[Ja Krispie]

Just showing him how annoying it would be to talk to himself.

 

Look at thread title:

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/124680-what-mobo-for-gaming-fx-83208350-and-cpu-cooler/

 

Another one of his posts appears to be deleted by a mod by others can be found quickly.

I see your point, definitely makes sense now

[Hidden Orange]

Just showing him how annoying it would be to talk to himself.

 

Look at thread title:

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/124680-what-mobo-for-gaming-fx-83208350-and-cpu-cooler/

 

Another one of his posts appears to be deleted by a mod by others can be found quickly.

I remember reading that thread... I don't remember why, maybe information gathering on different CPUs and stuff. Geez... It's like if you said you had an AMD CPU already, so $180, and wanted to buy a new mobo and he just goes in like, "Nope. Intel, now. $400". So, I should throw away a working CPU and mobo and $400 for something completely unrelated to what I'm asking. It's like going to a some competitive gaming forum and you're asking about the M4 and people start mentioning about the ACE carbine when they're different weapons...

 

He does have valid points on i3s being strong in single-threaded applications, however, he nor anyone cannot predict what's going to happen in the future. For all we know, ARM CPUs could come into the desktop market and crush anything AMD and/or Intel will try to do. Or dual-cores will stay as the minimum for most games. Or quad-cores. Or even hexa-cores. Maybe AMD will unveil some new CPU architecture that matches Intel's but with a much lower price point. Or maybe Intel will screw up with their next releases. Or maybe, just maybe, the world ends and everything becomes irrelevant. Nobody freaking knows and personally, all those predictors of the world were either really lucky or really reasonable with how things would work out. That or babbling buffoons getting credit they did not deserve.

 

Anyway, in the OP's situation, a FX 6300 would be fine and so would a i3-4130, but the main concern is the future and whether or not a powerful dual-core can hold up.

[Mentalguy]

ok i should know if a MOBO have a good VRM?for example is this board ASRock 960GM-VGS3 FX , is this enough to run the fx 6300 on a good condition?

Honestly, i cant say, I haven't dealt with the board.

 

It says it can handle an 8 core though.

[Ja Krispie]

Honestly, i cant say, I haven't dealt with the board.

 

It says it can handle an 8 core though.

Any AM3+ board will run a 6300 just fine.

[Mentalguy]

Any AM3+ board will run a 6300 just fine.

Ok, but it's not only power draw, it's about clean power too.

 

 

i've only had the 8 core cpu's and 990fx boards. I'm not sure about the 960 chipset.

[gilkevinaxl]

ok thanks for all of your concern guys ,on april i will buy my new rig so maybe i would go for i3 4130 or fx 6300 depends on the price in that time ,thou im still confused ,you all guys really helped me thanks  

[Ja Krispie]

Ok, but it's not only power draw, it's about clean power too.

 

 

i've only had the 8 core cpu's and 990fx boards. I'm not sure about the 960 chipset.

I guess I'm the same, I've only ever used a 990FX board, which is what I would recommend. 

[slasher0161]

ok i should know if a MOBO have a good VRM?for example is this board ASRock 960GM-VGS3 FX , is this enough to run the fx 6300 on a good condition?

I personally prefer a heatsink on the vrm, however that board should do. The main thing with voltage regulation is it is hard to get clean output when temps rise and the modules themselves dont have a large amount of surface are to passively cool off without a heatsink attached. That said it apparently supports even some 125w chips and the 6300 is listed so it should especially since you aren't overclocking.

[Faa]

Yup. I was just showing Faa how annoying it is when he changes things to make himself right.  

 

Threads where the OP asks about 2 specific mobos and he breaks out the PC Part Picker for the I3 or I5 instead of answering the OPs question. Almost every AMD thread that he enters, he doesn't help, instead he talks about Intel and IPC. Mean while the OP was asking about AMD motherboards or anything else AMD.

Think it was clear that I was having it about the i3? Why would I say it has a clock of 3.4GHz and linking an ARK? -> http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/125230-fx-6300-or-i3-4130-really-confused/page-2#entry1667257

I got it already that you meant an AMD chip but you aren't even aware that I misunderstood you there.

And that OP editie did need a new CPU and a new board and a day later he made a new thread asking which board he should get for his intel cpu (http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/124874-a-intel-upgrade-from-fx-6100-what-intel-cpu-should-i-get/?view=findpost&p=1660850).

Also you've havent been helpful either in that thread recommending a 8350 over a 6100 while theres as good as no proper performance difference in general but don't think Ive ever recommended someone a haswell chip over a Sandy/ivy bridge, and I tried to convince him to get the i5 which is the right advise for his budget. Nothing has been removed in that thread. I removed by myself what you quoted in post #38 to give this pointless discussion an end but you kept continuing in post #39 after an hour.

It's not me who's annoying but more likely the facts that are disturbing you.. Everytime we hear the same thing from you "games will be more multithreaded" when we aren't even there so I'm not seeing why this would be a valid argument to post in every thread, you'll see plenty of threads where Ive said to get an i5 and not an i7 and I'd be recommending i5's anytime over a 4930K even if the OP has too much money. You just cant advise people better products basing on future dreams. Since the beginning of Bulldozer's release I've only heard "it will be better when games will be better threaded" from AMD's side nothing else, but Ive only seen BF4/Crysis 3 in 2-3 years time being well threaded. 

 

 

Anyway, in the OP's situation, a FX 6300 would be fine and so would a i3-4130, but the main concern is the future and whether or not a powerful dual-core can hold up.

Are you really telling a chip with ~30% more multithreading performance is going to be more futureproof? Basically an 4770k is more futureproof than an i5, yeah right?

As I said earlier most heavy multithreaded games and the upcoming ones will be mainly gpu bound or eventually DX12/mantle or any form of reducing cpu overhead where you won't see a difference between those two, so  we can only compare them in the typical cpu bound games we currently have (talking about games that dont take advantage of more than 2 cores) where an i3 does perform better; this is the main reason why I'm recommending an i3 and makes it overall a better choice.

Be aware the GPU that will be used within an i3's budget will be something around 100-150$ and theres practically no difference between an i3 & 6300 with something like a gtx 650 in BF4 because that gpu will be the bottleneck on both cpu's so I'm not seeing why a 6300 will be always better for heavy multithreaded games.

[Hidden Orange]

Are you really telling a chip with ~30% more multithreading performance is going to be more futureproof? Basically an 4770k is more futureproof than an i5, yeah right?

As I said earlier most heavy multithreaded games and the upcoming ones will be mainly gpu bound or eventually DX12/mantle or any form of reducing cpu overhead where you won't see a difference between those two, so  we can only compare them in the typical cpu bound games we currently have (talking about games that dont take advantage of more than 2 cores) where an i3 does perform better; this is the main reason why I'm recommending an i3 and makes it overall a better choice.

Be aware the GPU that will be used within an i3's budget will be something around 100-150$ and theres practically no difference between an i3 & 6300 with something like a gtx 650 in BF4 because that gpu will be the bottleneck on both cpu's so I'm not seeing why a 6300 will be always better for heavy multithreaded games.

 

I said they were both fine and this thread has been answered. In a typical, non-professional, average, daily, normal, medium usage, a FX 6300 and an i3-4130 will be as different as a grey mouse and a brown mouse. One's AMD and the other's Intel. Done. In a professional, research-based, heavy, and intensive usage, one will outdo the other in different programs and it's probably going to be the i3-4130. That's important if you're working in that sort of field, but for an average user such as gamers, excluding the "hardcore, maxed settings at 4k" gamers, it won't matter and that's why a FX 6300 and i3-4130 would be fine. At that point it's whether if you want less power consumption, range of overclocking, low temperatures, and which manufacturer. At that point, it's almost trivial to nitpick that one CPU performs 2 to 10 FPS better in one game than the other. At that point, it'd be better to save up money and buy yourself 2 Titans, a i7-4960X, 64GB of RAM, and other "top-of-the-line" tech.

[Faa]

I said they were both fine and this thread has been answered. In a typical, non-professional, average, daily, normal, medium usage, a FX 6300 and an i3-4130 will be as different as a grey mouse and a brown mouse. One's AMD and the other's Intel. Done. In a professional, research-based, heavy, and intensive usage, one will outdo the other in different programs and it's probably going to be the i3-4130. That's important if you're working in that sort of field, but for an average user such as gamers, excluding the "hardcore, maxed settings at 4k" gamers, it won't matter and that's why a FX 6300 and i3-4130 would be fine. At that point it's whether if you want less power consumption, range of overclocking, low temperatures, and which manufacturer. At that point, it's almost trivial to nitpick that one CPU performs 2 to 10 FPS better in one game than the other. At that point, it'd be better to save up money and buy yourself 2 Titans, a i7-4960X, 64GB of RAM, and other "top-of-the-line" tech.

You still don't get it do you.. You're still talking about gpu bound games, pulling your conclusions from some latest aaa-titles or singleplayer games that are dead. You don't have any multiplayer benchmarks of the typical IPC bound games that are lightthreaded because you can't benchmark them accurately enough. The OP is asking here for a best all-around gaming cpu which would be exactly the i3 since in gpu bound games theres no or a minor difference so saying that theres a minor difference like you claimed in all scenario's is just false. Clock that 6300 as much as you want, won't reach the levels of the i3's IPC. Clock it for your gpu bound games, not going to make a difference unless you upgrade your gpu. 

The i3 4130 outperforms a 6300 up to 50% with this as an example in IPC bound games -> http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/original/2013/05/Test-Haswell-4770K-4670K-4570-SC2-HotS-v2.png

To give you an idea, I'm sitting around 25-30 fps in 25m raids with a 3930K@4.5GHz and 6300's will struggle at 5GHz to claim 15 fps, same with other mmo's/rts and free to play games such as PS2. 

[Immort]

I actually own both believe it or not, I built an FX 6300 system last year & I was given an i3 4130 system from school a few weeks back.
So I can give advice based on actual real world experiences rather than some conflicting benchmarks from a few dozen different websites.

First things first the main differences I immediately noticed between the two is that the FX 6300 system boots much more quickly, keeping in mind both systems are running regular 7200 RPM mechanical drives. Not entirely sure why that is, even though the i3 system is still fresh and not as many programs are installed on it.
Will try updating the BIOS to see if that improves the boot times.

I also often convert media to MP3 or MP4 to use on my phone and the FX 6300 is noticeably faster than the i3 there, what's more is that I can actually browse the web and watch a video as the files are being transcoded on the FX 6300 system while that was virtually impossible on the i3 4130.

I've also been regularly playing Assassin's Creed 4 lately & some Diablo 3, both of which are very CPU intensive and so I was very interested to see what sort of difference the i3 would make.

In Assassin's Creed 4 especially inside the cities my average FPS went up very slightly from 44 to 46 on the i3 but the minimum FPS was significantly worse, the game would often drop below 30 FPS and well into the low 20s.
This was quite noticeable and actually made free-running through the city very unpredictible and naval battles became a lot more jittery especially in foggy weather.

In Diablo 3 the experience was less dramatic going from the FX 6300 to the i3 4130 I saw absolutely no gains in average or minimum FPS, however the maximum was slightly higher which didn't contribute to the experience.

 

I tried overclocking the i3 4130 but that was virtually impossible as the CPU has a locked multiplier and a locked BCLK.
As for heat, the i3 4130 ran about 10-20 degrees hotter than the FX 6300 when gaming or transcoding, both systems were audible at full load on the stock cooler.

I hope this helps.