Posted September 15, 2020 Hi, I've been told to invest in a better cooler than the stock wraith so that my rig is a bit more silent I was recommended the 212 however when looking on Amazon, I have found the Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim is cheaper. I want to know how these two compare aswell as if the Be Quiet Cooler can run on a 650W PSU thats also supplying power to an RTX 2070 Super and an AMD Ryzen 5 3600? System CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 Case: Phanteks eclipse P400A Motherboard: MSI B550 Gaming Carbon WiFi GPU: MSI RTX 3060 TI Gaming X Trio RAM: 16GB XPG D60G CL16 3200MHZ PSU: Sharkoon SilentStorm Cool Zero 650W Storage: Crucial P2 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 15, 2020 Pure rock slim is quieter and just as good if not a little better (but we're talking like 1dB and 1-2 deg C) The best gaming PC is the PC you like to game on, how you like to game on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 15, 2020 Author 43 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said: Pure rock slim is quieter and just as good if not a little better (but we're talking like 1dB and 1-2 deg C) Thanks, but as this has 120w tdp would this work with a 650w or 700w PSU? System CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 Case: Phanteks eclipse P400A Motherboard: MSI B550 Gaming Carbon WiFi GPU: MSI RTX 3060 TI Gaming X Trio RAM: 16GB XPG D60G CL16 3200MHZ PSU: Sharkoon SilentStorm Cool Zero 650W Storage: Crucial P2 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, CloudPC said: Thanks, but as this has 120w tdp would this work with a 650w or 700w PSU? The TDP is its cooling potential, i.e. it's sufficient for cooling a chip that draws 120W or less of power. The only thing that draws power on a cooler is the fan, and you're talking a few watts or so there, so nothing to even worry about. CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X · Cooler: Artic Liquid Freezer II 280 · Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 Unify · RAM: G.skill Ripjaws V 2x16GB 3600MHz CL16 (2Rx8) · Graphics Card: ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 Ti TUF Gaming · Boot Drive: 500GB WD Black SN750 M.2 NVMe SSD · Game Drive: 2TB Crucial MX500 SATA SSD · PSU: Corsair White RM850x 850W 80+ Gold · Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow · Monitor: MSI Optix MAG342CQR 34” UWQHD 3440x1440 144Hz · Keyboard: Corsair K100 RGB Optical-Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (OPX Switch) · Mouse: Corsair Ironclaw RGB Wireless Gaming Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, CloudPC said: Thanks, but as this has 120w tdp would this work with a 650w or 700w PSU? watts of energy is just a measurement so it can refer to watts of energy in the form of heat (or heat dissipation when talking about coolers), and watts of energy in the form of electricity (when talking about PSUs) the R5 3600 is a 65Watt (watts of electricity which turns into watts of heat) CPU at stock settings so a 120Watt (heat dissipating) cooler can easily handle it with room to spare. the PSU is just supplying the electricity for the CPU to use and won't effect the cooler. The best gaming PC is the PC you like to game on, how you like to game on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said: watts of energy is just a measurement so it can refer to watts of energy in the form of heat (or heat dissipation when talking about coolers), and watts of energy in the form of electricity (when talking about PSUs) the R5 3600 is a 65Watt (watts of electricity which turns into watts of heat) CPU at stock settings so a 120Watt (heat dissipating) cooler can easily handle it with room to spare. the PSU is just supplying the electricity for the CPU to use and won't effect the cooler. Actually, 65W is the TDP, but not the power draw. The 3600 can draw around 90W when loaded, more if it's overclocked. (Entirely different topic, but TDP in general is meaningless and arbitrary.) A 120W cooler should still be sufficient, but it's just right, not overkill as you make it sound. CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X · Cooler: Artic Liquid Freezer II 280 · Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 Unify · RAM: G.skill Ripjaws V 2x16GB 3600MHz CL16 (2Rx8) · Graphics Card: ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 Ti TUF Gaming · Boot Drive: 500GB WD Black SN750 M.2 NVMe SSD · Game Drive: 2TB Crucial MX500 SATA SSD · PSU: Corsair White RM850x 850W 80+ Gold · Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow · Monitor: MSI Optix MAG342CQR 34” UWQHD 3440x1440 144Hz · Keyboard: Corsair K100 RGB Optical-Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (OPX Switch) · Mouse: Corsair Ironclaw RGB Wireless Gaming Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Chris Pratt said: Actually, 65W is the TDP, but not the power draw. The 3600 can draw around 90W when loaded, more if it's overclocked. (Entirely different topic, but TDP in general is meaningless and arbitrary.) A 120W cooler should still be sufficient, but it's just right, not overkill as you make it sound. ~90W is the boost clock power draw, at base clock it will draw 65W by design. TDP is a reference for the amount of energy consumed by the transistors and converted to heat based on the specific testing done by the manufacturer. Due to the processor being unable to convert or "consume" energy in any other states than the conversion of electrical to thermal energy (conservation of energy) max momentary boost a 3600 can convert 90W worth of energy to heat through transistor switching. If you understood the purpose and parameters of how each company calculates TDP you would find it more useful, it is actually the most important factor in determining the exhaust heat potential of heatsinks and thermal efficiencies of one cooling medium to the next when designing a system with liquid vs air cooling vs exotic phase change cooling but that's not what the OP is asking about so no point getting into it here, I'm not interested in teaching a Thermodynamics course. The best gaming PC is the PC you like to game on, how you like to game on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 16, 2020 Author @Chris Pratt @GhostRoadieBL Thanks guys, appreciate the help, and the lesson about TDP and Power Draw. System CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 Case: Phanteks eclipse P400A Motherboard: MSI B550 Gaming Carbon WiFi GPU: MSI RTX 3060 TI Gaming X Trio RAM: 16GB XPG D60G CL16 3200MHZ PSU: Sharkoon SilentStorm Cool Zero 650W Storage: Crucial P2 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 16, 2020 Which 212? Newest has better fan than what Evo has. So if its Evo, 100% Pure Rock Slim. ^^^^ That's my post ^^^^ <-- This is me --- That's your scrollbar --> vvvv Who's there? vvvv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 16, 2020 7 hours ago, GhostRoadieBL said: ~90W is the boost clock power draw, at base clock it will draw 65W by design. TDP is a reference for the amount of energy consumed by the transistors and converted to heat based on the specific testing done by the manufacturer. Due to the processor being unable to convert or "consume" energy in any other states than the conversion of electrical to thermal energy (conservation of energy) max momentary boost a 3600 can convert 90W worth of energy to heat through transistor switching. If you understood the purpose and parameters of how each company calculates TDP you would find it more useful, it is actually the most important factor in determining the exhaust heat potential of heatsinks and thermal efficiencies of one cooling medium to the next when designing a system with liquid vs air cooling vs exotic phase change cooling but that's not what the OP is asking about so no point getting into it here, I'm not interested in teaching a Thermodynamics course. AMD's formula for TDP is literally all variables. You can plug any TDP into it and pull out things like Tdie or Tambient from there. And that's exactly what they do, and Intel is no better, though their formula is just as arbitrary and meaningless. I know what TDP *should* mean. However, at least now, it's virtually meaningless. As far it being the "most important factor", that's just bunk. Cooler manufacturers explicitly *disregard* the TDP numbers from AMD and Intel. The chip manufacturers give them spec sheets that they do use, but TDP is not a factor at all. CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X · Cooler: Artic Liquid Freezer II 280 · Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 Unify · RAM: G.skill Ripjaws V 2x16GB 3600MHz CL16 (2Rx8) · Graphics Card: ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 Ti TUF Gaming · Boot Drive: 500GB WD Black SN750 M.2 NVMe SSD · Game Drive: 2TB Crucial MX500 SATA SSD · PSU: Corsair White RM850x 850W 80+ Gold · Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow · Monitor: MSI Optix MAG342CQR 34” UWQHD 3440x1440 144Hz · Keyboard: Corsair K100 RGB Optical-Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (OPX Switch) · Mouse: Corsair Ironclaw RGB Wireless Gaming Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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