30 Series and AMD?

[Beep or Boop]

Just a quick question about the upcoming GPUs. I've been hearing a lot about AMD CPU owners are super happy and Intel owners are not about the upcoming GPUs. Just memes or what?

[The_russian]

Where have you heard that? Why would someone not be happy about better performance, regardless of what cpu they have?

[Beep or Boop]

Just now, The_russian said:

Where have you heard that? Why would someone not be happy about better performance, regardless of what cpu they have?

It was just something I heard randomly. And i'm guessing it was something about how the GPU ran with each CPU? Maybe they talked about more stuff with AMD processors? Honestly I don't know, the things I heard were at the ends of conversations.

[minibois]

4 minutes ago, Beep or Boop said:

Just a quick question about the upcoming GPUs. I've been hearing a lot about AMD CPU owners are super happy and Intel owners are not about the upcoming GPUs. Just memes or what?

It's probably people talking about PCIE 4.0, which the Nvidia 30-series videocards are using, AMD 3000-series CPU's have access to, but Intel current offerings do not have PCIE 4.0.

PCIE is backwards and forwards compatible, meaning newer cards, can run in older slots (and vice versa). There is currently no reason to assume the Nvidia videocard will run any slower on PCIE 3.0 (x16) connections, so I would consider any speculation on that part just that; speculation.

 

Or it's people meme'ing about this whole PCIE thing, probably.

[Beep or Boop]

Just now, minibois said:

It's probably people talking about PCIE 4.0, which the Nvidia 30-series videocards are using, AMD 3000-series CPU's have access to, but Intel current offerings do not have PCIE 4.0.

PCIE is backwards and forwards compatible, meaning newer cards, can run in older slots (and vice versa). There is currently no reason to assume the Nvidia videocard will run any slower on PCIE 3.0 (x16) connections, so I would consider any speculation on that part just that; speculation.

 

Or it's people meme'ing about this whole PCIE thing, probably.

Ahhh ok, makes sense.

[Energycore]

Unless you're from the future, there is no information about the new Nvidia cards' performance with either Intel or AMD CPUs. But some people will say the randomest things sometimes.

[Energycore]

10 minutes ago, minibois said:

It's probably people talking about PCIE 4.0, which the Nvidia 30-series videocards are using, AMD 3000-series CPU's have access to, but Intel current offerings do not have PCIE 4.0.

PCIE is backwards and forwards compatible, meaning newer cards, can run in older slots (and vice versa). There is currently no reason to assume the Nvidia videocard will run any slower on PCIE 3.0 (x16) connections, so I would consider any speculation on that part just that; speculation.

 

Or it's people meme'ing about this whole PCIE thing, probably.

It remains to be seen if PCIe 4.0 matters for these new cards. To be fair they are massive dies with so many cuda cores. I'd wager the performance difference isn't huge, but again remains to be seen.

[minibois]

13 minutes ago, Energycore said:

It remains to be seen if PCIe 4.0 matters for these new cards. To be fair they are massive dies with so many cuda cores. I'd wager the performance difference isn't huge, but again remains to be seen.

The burden of proof is on the people making the claim, which I haven't found any substantial evidence why it would matter this generation; but I remain indifferent and objective currently.

 

The last couple gens it wasn't an issue whether you were using PCIE 2.0 or 3.0, unless for specific purposes (which the people making the current claims don't mention), but I'll have to wait - like everyone else of course - to see if it actually matters in the reviews.

 

[Moonzy]

36 minutes ago, minibois said:

There is currently no reason to assume the Nvidia videocard will run any slower on PCIE 3.0 (x16) connections,

 

24 minutes ago, Energycore said:

It remains to be seen if PCIe 4.0 matters for these new cards. To be fair they are massive dies with so many cuda cores. I'd wager the performance difference isn't huge, but again remains to be seen.

according to nvidia

Quote

PCIE GEN4
Q: Will customers find a performance degradation on PCIE 3.0?

System performance is impacted by many factors and the impact varies between applications. The impact is typically less than a few percent going from a x16 PCIE 4.0 to x16 PCIE 3.0. CPU selection often has a larger impact on performance. We look forward to new platforms that can fully take advantage of Gen4 capabilities for potential performance increases. Note also, all benchmarks and performance data on our website and presented by Jensen was from a PCIE 3.0 platform.

tl;dr faster gaming chip > pcie 4.0

 

though im interested to learn more about RTX io, as that might bring pcie 3.0 to the limit, on top of already required bandwidth.

[Energycore]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

 

according to nvidia

tl;dr faster gaming chip > pcie 4.0

 

though im interested to learn more about RTX io, as that might bring pcie 3.0 to the limit, on top of already required bandwidth.

 

Makes sense. Basically doesn't matter (though it is also in Nvidia's best interest to not make Intel angry).

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, Energycore said:

though it is also in Nvidia's best interest to not make Intel angry

well, yea

but intel should be angry at their incompetence now more than anything

still wondering why the 10th gen cpu didnt include pcie 4.0, new platform, good chance to include it.

 

or they wanna save it for 11th gen to add value to it? because otherwise it's just a 10th gen with slightly higher clocks -shrug-

[Beep or Boop]

10 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

 

according to nvidia

tl;dr faster gaming chip > pcie 4.0

 

though im interested to learn more about RTX io, as that might bring pcie 3.0 to the limit, on top of already required bandwidth.

I wonder if upgrading my Ryzen 7 2700x will be a thing to do when I get my 3080.

[Energycore]

Just now, Beep or Boop said:

I wonder if upgrading my Ryzen 7 2700x will be a thing to do when I get my 3080.

I'm going to guess probably not

[Beep or Boop]

Just now, Energycore said:

I'm going to guess probably not

Cool. My 1080 that I bought a month after it's launch is really really struggling right now, and I don't know why. Can't wait for the 3080's.

[Energycore]

Just now, Beep or Boop said:

Cool. My 1080 that I bought a month after it's launch is really really struggling right now, and I don't know why. Can't wait for the 3080's.

Are you getting low performance with your 1080? (compared to before). You can post about it in the Troubleshooting forum and we can take a look at it.

 

Some things I'd consider:

- Dust the card

- Reinstall the drivers. Install older drivers

- Check for high temperatures (card might need new thermal paste)

- Check for GPU clocks, see if it's downclocking

[Beep or Boop]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

Are you getting low performance with your 1080? (compared to before). You can post about it in the Troubleshooting forum and we can take a look at it.

 

Some things I'd consider:

- Dust the card

- Reinstall the drivers. Install older drivers

- Check for high temperatures (card might need new thermal paste)

- Check for GPU clocks, see if it's downclocking

No I feel like this card has always under preformed from what people say I should be getting. Never understood it. Ran benchmarks and it always fell under other 1080's. And i've never had temp issues.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Beep or Boop said:

No I feel like this card has always under preformed from what people say I should be getting. Never understood it. Ran benchmarks and it always fell under other 1080's. And i've never had temp issues.

definitely doesnt sound normal, if it's severely underperforming compared to other similar setups

go make a new post if you're interested in having a look at it

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Beep or Boop said:

No I feel like this card has always under preformed from what people say I should be getting. Never understood it. Ran benchmarks and it always fell under other 1080's. And i've never had temp issues.

What kind of RAM do you have? How many sticks / what speed / CAS latency?

[Beep or Boop]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

definitely doesnt sound normal, if it's severely underperforming compared to other similar setups

go make a new post if you're interested in having a look at it

I end up just living with it cause I always feel dumb coming to this forum looking for help. I'm not tech illiterate, I just get confused a lot when people try to help me lol

[Beep or Boop]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

What kind of RAM do you have? How many sticks / what speed / CAS latency?

Ripjaws V series 4x8GB sticks DDR4 3000

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, Beep or Boop said:

I end up just living with it cause I always feel dumb coming to this forum looking for help. I'm not tech illiterate, I just get confused a lot when people try to help me lol

There's always people who knows more than you

Just take it as learning, and don't be afraid to ask questions. There are no dumb questions unless it's a flamebait

[Beep or Boop]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

There's always people who knows more than you

Just take it as learning, and don't be afraid to ask questions. There are no dumb questions unless it's a flamebait

For sure, I just hate having to ask them to explain it more, or dumb it down for me. I do my best to google things but sometimes the explanations I find I don't understand so I come here.

[Moonzy]

9 minutes ago, Beep or Boop said:

For sure, I just hate having to ask them to explain it more, or dumb it down for me. I do my best to google things but sometimes the explanations I find I don't understand so I come here.

I feel that way too, but most people don't mind teaching you, even the basics

Everyone have to start learning from somewhere right?