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[ACB]

Hi Guys, 

 

I am new to all this so bare with me. I live in the UK, rumours are that next gen console's will cost around £500. I have never built a Desktop or PC. Does anyone here know whether a 4K at 60 FPS or preferably higher is doable at a £1K budget? Including a case, battery and whatnot but excluding peripherals? (Raytracing is a must)

 

My interest was sparked after listening to someone on IGN talking about a 3060 graphics card which he said is should come out at the 300 price point and probably outmatches next gen consoles? Again, I have no knowledge on types of graphic cards or anything in that area. 

 

Anyway, any and all help is appreciated. Thanks.

 

 @Moonzy

[Moonzy]

18 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

Does anyone here know whether a 4K at 60 FPS or preferably higher is doable at a £1K budget?

currently, as far as i know, no

unless everything is set to low

 

18 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

IGN talking about a 3060 graphics card which he said is should come out at the 300 price point and probably outmatches next gen consoles?

i wont act based on rumors, will believe it when it's officially released and benchmarked.

 

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[SansVarnic]

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[zeusthemoose]

I haven’t seen rumors specifically for the 3060, but based on the 3070, 3080, and 3090 performance claims from Nvidia, I wouldn’t be surprised if the 3060 is great. With a 3060 and whatever the replaces the r5 3600/3300x or 10600k/10400, I could see barely making a 1k budget but it being capable of 4K 60fps on lower settings. Depending on the game, low-medium 4K 60 should be possible at around this budget, maybe even high settings if it is an easy to run game. But again, all based on guesses and assumptions of performance of next generation.

[ACB]

@SansVarnic

Sorry about that im completely new to forum's and what not. Thanks for creating a topic for me.

 

@Moonzy

Thank you for the reply, let's say i were to run RDR2 on 4K 60 at Ultra or whatever the highest setting is, what kind of price point would I be looking at for an smooth experience? Also would such a rig be future proof enough for long term use, in your vast experience with Desktops? Again thanks for the shared knowledge.

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by AbishekCB

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@zeusthemoose

Thanks for the reply, I think i understand what you mean but lol I'm completely lost on the graphic cards you mentioned because I just don't know anything in this area. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by AbishekCB

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

let's i were to run RDR2 on 4K 60 at Ultra or whatever the highest setting is, what kind of price point would I be looking at for smooth experience?

im not familiar with RDR2, but having highest setting and 4k 60 is a tough requirement for today's GPU

waiting on 30 series review before i can give you a concrete answer, but the 3080 might be what you want to look at

 

as for full rig price, you're looking at around $1300-1500 USD just for the tower alone, ignoring peripherals and monitor

 

4 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

Also would such a rig be future proof enough for long term use in your vast experience with Desktops?

i cant tell the future exactly, so what im saying is based on my opinion.

a decent 8 core CPU with the 3080 should last you 3-5 years just fine on 4k60, might have to turn down some graphic settings on future titles though.

 

again, have to wait for 3080 reviews to give you a concrete answer, but these are all the best estimates i can give.

[zeusthemoose]

Just now, AbishekCB said:

@zeusthemoose

Thanks for the reply, I think i understand what you mean but lol I'm completely lost of the graphics cards you mentioned becauee I just don't know anything in this area. 

I will try to clarify what I meant, if I missed something you are unsure about please let me know. Based on the massive performance increases from rtx 2000 (Nvidia’s previous generation of GPUs) to 3000 (Newest series, three were just announced: 3070, 3080, and 3090) that Nvidia is claiming but are yet to be verified by 3rd parties without nvidias involvement, I am expecting the 3060 gpu to be able to get 60fps at 4K on medium graphics settings in most games.
To stay in the 1k budget, they would likely be paired with a cpu from amd such as the 3300x or 3600 or Intel such as the 10400 or 10600k. However, later this year and early next year (around the time of the 3060’s estimated launch), amd will release the upgraded 3300x and 3600 (likely called 4300x and 4600 respectively) and Intel will launch the upgraded versions of the 10400 and 10600k (likely called the 11400 and 11600k respectively).

 

In order to get 60fps in rdr2 at 4K high settings, you will likely need to get a 3070 or 3080 both of which have been announced. They are releasing later this month and will retail for $500 (3070) and $700 (3080). The 3070 should be able to get 60fps most of the time but the 3080 should, get it consistently.

[ACB]

@Moonzy

That was more than helpful. Hopefully, I could catch up on that with you once the 3080 is out. I have a 4K monitor and tbh idm cheaping out on peripherals. Honestly, for a 5 year tower (estimates off course) which can handle 4K at 60 for while isn't a bad deal. I have a XB1X which is essentially 4K at 30, AT BEST, and the comparison videos between RDR2 on PC and RDR2 on XB1X is laughable. Lol. Consoles have this blur feel to textures and whatnot whereas on a PC you can see the pores and whatnot lol. 

 

Either way, hope to get your insight once the reviews are in. Again, thanks for the help. Appreciate it.

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@zeusthemoose

That explanation was great. Thanks. Think ill be looking on that in the year to come lol. So in your opinion, what would be best brand of CPU to go with for gaming at a RDR2 type of game at ultra or high or whatever the max setting is, AMD or Intel? Does it have any effect?

 

Also, I wanted to refrain from talking about Cyberpunk because the requirements are not released yet. But obviously I'd want something, to estimately run with that on high at least. Are the 3000 series of Cards ALL Raytracing capable or is it only the 3080 card that can do it? 

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, AbishekCB said:

AMD or Intel?

i would wait for review

right now it's PCIE 4.0 vs intel's gaming crown

and idk how it will play out in the end

 

2 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

Are the 3000 series of Cards ALL Raytracing capable or is it only the 3080 card that can do it? 

the announced ones can do ray tracing

 

2 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

But obviously I'd want something, to estimately run with that on high at least

i would strangle the devs if the 2nd top GPU that was released few months before cant run it on high

even if i dont, plenty of other people would, trust me.

[ACB]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

i would wait for review

right now it's PCIE 4.0 vs intel's gaming crown

and idk how it will play out in the end

As an absolute noob I have to ask, what is PCIE? And what is Intel's Gaming Crown?

[zeusthemoose]

Intel normally has slightly better gaming performance than amd. This could change with the next generation but we don’t know yet. However, I believe that the difference become less the higher the resolution. Also, an Intel based system is often more expensive than an amd one. So it really depends on your budget and if you are doing anything other than gaming.

All 3000 series cards support ray tracing. They might release some that do not, but those will not have rtx in the name. Another thing to note is that performance decreases with ray tracing on. That has been significantly improved over rtx 2000, but it will still have an effect.

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

As an absolute noob I have to ask, what is PCIE? And what is Intel's Gaming Crown?

PCIE is the slot that the GPU slots in, and right now intel is on 3rd iteration of it while AMD is on 4th

the 4th iteration is much faster than the 3rd. the GPU will work in both, but not sure if the extra speed will help boost the performance.

 

intel's gaming crown is them having a slightly higher performance in games when all other things are equal.

 

so it's basically down to if intel's higher performance wins, or the importance of pcie speed wins

[zeusthemoose]

Just now, AbishekCB said:

As an absolute noob I have to ask, what is PCIE? And what is Intel's Gaming Crown?

Pcie is what is used to connect the gpu to the cpu. Intel is still using pcie 3.0 while amd has support for pcie 4.0 which is faster. Both will use pcie 4.0 for the next generation. Intels gaming crown is its fastest cpu, currently the 10900k. 
Nvidia has said that a better cpu is more important than pcie 4, so it’s not too important to look at that. 
Here is a great explainer video from tech quickie:

 

[ACB]

@Moonzy @zeusthemoose

 

Thanks to both of you. I literally just learnt more from you two than I did in the entirety of my ICT course LMAO. 

 

Hope to chat with you both as soon as reviews are out. Thanks again. Greatly appreciate the knowledge.

[ACB]

@Moonzy @zeusthemoose

Sorry guys a few more questions.

11 hours ago, zeusthemoose said:

Another thing to note is that performance decreases with ray tracing on. That has been significantly improved over rtx 2000, but it will still have an effect.

So what does this performance decrease affect in terms of modern titles? Framerates? Resolution? A mix of both?

 

Also, would consumer grade raytracing take a while STILL to get to a point of stable performance? Since we don't know if Nvidia is being optimistic about performance with the 3000 series? 

 

Also, a tower built around a 3080 is a powerhouse for editing as well im guessing? No matter whether you're rocking a AMD CPU or a Intel CPU?

[zeusthemoose]

1 hour ago, AbishekCB said:

So what does this performance decrease affect in terms of modern titles? Framerates? Resolution? A mix of both?

Enabling ray tracing will lower the frame rates you get when compared to the same resolution and graphics settings without ray tracing turned on.

 

1 hour ago, AbishekCB said:

Also, would consumer grade raytracing take a while STILL to get to a point of stable performance? Since we don't know if Nvidia is being optimistic about performance with the 3000 series? 

With rtx 2000, it was a major factor in frame rates. Nvidia is claiming over 2x better performance when ray tracing is enabled. That claim does seem to be accurate but we won’t know for sure until 3rd party tests are completed. Digital Foundry did get to do some tests already with a 3080 but it was under the instructions of nvidia so take those results with a grain of salt. Here is the video:

 

1 hour ago, AbishekCB said:

Also, a tower built around a 3080 is a powerhouse for editing as well im guessing? No matter whether you're rocking a AMD CPU or a Intel CPU?

Correct. A 3080 paired with a modern amd or intel cpu will be a beast for editing. amd is normally better for productivity tasks such as editing, but some programs are optimized more for intel so it really depends on what editing software you use.

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@zeusthemoose

Ah i see. Informative/understandable reply as always. Thanks!

[zeusthemoose]

3 minutes ago, AbishekCB said:

Thanks!

You’re welcome! If you have any other questions, let me know.

[ACB]

@zeusthemoose

Real quick, how would you go about capturing gameplay in 4K onto a external hard drive on a Desktop? Can you have capture card installed within the tower? Or would it be cheaper to use a screen recorder? Because I'm pretty sure the max budget i'll have is 1.5K. And I know capture cards at 4K cost a couple of hundreds.

[zeusthemoose]

From from I have heard, a capture card is not necessary anymore. As long as the drive has the necessary speeds to record 4k 60, using something like obs and setting the external drive as the destination should work. However, it might be better to have it record to an internal drive and then move the video over to the external one once you stop recording. But I am far from experienced in streaming and recording so take that with a grain of salt.

[ACB]

@Moonzy @zeusthemoose

 

Hi Guys,

 

few more questions. What's the deal with Bluetooth and WiFi connectivity chips, are they included with modern day mother boards? Do I have to buy them separately? And if they are included with the motherboard are they removable so that I have the choice to upgrade them once better standards come out in the future?

 

Also, since I have never built a PC, I am going to take a educated guess LOL that I need the tools that Linus is using in the video below?

 

 

Would I be able to use everything he uses in this video with a 3080? Because it would make my life a lot easier. Does the motherboard he use have PCIE 4 and support new CPU's? Would the components all together come to my 1.5K budget?

[zeusthemoose]

1 hour ago, AbishekCB said:

What's the deal with Bluetooth and WiFi connectivity chips, are they included with modern day mother boards? Do I have to buy them separately? And if they are included with the motherboard are they removable so that I have the choice to upgrade them once better standards come out in the future?

Some motherboards have wifi and bluetooth built in but the majority do not. Choose a good motherboard and if it has built in ones, use them. If not, buy a pcie card or usb adapter to add it. If it is included, i dont think it will be removable but you can always get external ones to use instead if the internal ones are trash or outdated.

 

2 hours ago, AbishekCB said:

Also, since I have never built a PC, I am going to take a educated guess LOL that I need the tools that Linus is using in the video below?

Pretty sure the only tool you will need is a screwdriver. You can also add more things like zip ties if you want nice cable management.

 

2 hours ago, AbishekCB said:

 

Would I be able to use everything he uses in this video with a 3080? Because it would make my life a lot easier. Does the motherboard he use have PCIE 4 and support new CPU's? Would the components all together come to my 1.5K budget?

I havent seen the video in a while so I dont remember what it uses, but when you are ready to buy and build, make a post in the new builds and planning section and people will recommend a great build. So much will change by then that the build in the video will not be the best you can do.

[Moonzy]

3 hours ago, zeusthemoose said:

i dont think it will be removable

most of the time you can disable them in bios

 

5 hours ago, AbishekCB said:

What's the deal with Bluetooth and WiFi connectivity chips, are they included with modern day mother boards? Do I have to buy them separately? And if they are included with the motherboard are they removable so that I have the choice to upgrade them once better standards come out in the future?

not all boards come with built in wifi, but dont shop a board based on whether it has wifi or not

buy a good board, and if you need wifi/BT, look at board with them and judge based on price. PCIE wifi and BT card isnt too espensive

built into mobo stuff cant be upgraded, but pcie card can. though i dont think many people would need fast wifi.

 

5 hours ago, AbishekCB said:

Also, since I have never built a PC, I am going to take a educated guess LOL that I need the tools that Linus is using in the video below?

all i ever used was a phillips head screw driver(magnetic tip is a must) and a pair of scissors to open packaging

some needle nose pliers to help get in tight spots would be a great plus if you have big hands.

 

some coolers come with an excellent long necked phillip screw driver (some bequiet ones does)

magnetic tip is a must have (not really must but life is much easier), and preferably have long neck to be able to reach places.

 

 

zeus answered your question very well, dont pick part based on videos, pick them based on your personal needs

https://linustechtips.com/main/forum/18-new-builds-and-planning/