Feedback request on planned high-end build

[hektonian]

Budget (including currency): 2000-2500€

Country: Finland

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:

Primarily gaming and software development. Multiple servers and containers (maybe some VMs as well) could run on the machine at the same time with twice or greater number of chrome tabs on StackOverflow.

I'm keeping the door ever so slightly open to potential gaming development but not holding my breath.

Also, and this might be a big one for me, I just want to own a machine on the high-end once in my formerly-broke-af -life

 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

It's been a good few years since I've dabbled in upgrading my stuff, so here goes..

• Current build from 2016  that I'm upgrading to 2020/2021 target build (except the GPU which, considering the news, will likely change to RTX 3080)
• I've no need for new peripherals for now
• Resolution and refresh rate... don't really matter in this setup. It's going to be pretty much overkill setup anyway
• I'm not planning to overclock
• Silence is not a necessity, but it would be very nice
• Coloring of the components don't matter as long as they're black and without RGB
• The build should last hopefully for the next 4-6+ years and I'm willing to play a waiting game over the course of the remainder of 2020 and in worst case well into 2021

I'm planning to upgrade in three sets:

Upgrade 1, PSU:

I need these hideous non-modular cables out of my god damned case. They're wasting good cable management space.

• PSU: Corsair VS 550W which is unlikely to be enough => I'm not too sure about but I'd wager somewhere 750W-850W range. EVGA G3 850W maybe?

Upgrade 2, Everything MoBo:

Anything that requires some support from the motherboard

• CPU: Intel i5-6600 => AMD Ryzen 9 3900X or thereabouts
• MoBo: Asus Z170-P => Asus Prime X570-PRO or similar
• Memory: 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR4-2133 CL14 => 2x16GB sticks of G.Skill Ripjaws V series DDR4-3200 CL14
• Cooler: Stock => actual aircooling, Noctua NH-D15 BLACK looks good

Upgrade 3, GPU:

The big cheesegrater

• GPU: GTX1060 3GB => RTX 3080, eventually. Hopefully.

 

All other components and peripherals are outside of the scope of this upgrade.

 

Some things I feel like I may have to consider:

• Could the new 12V PSU standard affect me when I want to upgrade again in the far off future?
• RTX 3080 is going to be bleeding edge. Should I hold buying it until some reliable reviews come in?
• I'm not bright on the MoBo chipsets. Is X570 (Or Asus Prime for that matter) a future-proof choice?
• Same with CAS latency or timings. Is CL14 overkill or would some cheaper CL16 suffice?

[DailyProcrastinator]

Welcome to the forum!

 

17 minutes ago, hektonian said:

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If you have a system wait for a few months from now. AMD is going to also launch GPU's but more importantly 4th gen Ryzen CPU's. 

 

Does this budget include a monitor? Because unless you are going for high refresh rate 1440p/4k gmaing then this upgrade would be massively overkill if you continued to use a 1080p monitor. And even then a 3070 may make more sense, or maybe an AMD equivalent if they can push out a high performing GPU. 

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, hektonian said:

Upgrade 1, PSU:

I need these hideous non-modular cables out of my god damned case. They're wasting good cable management space.

• PSU: Corsair VS 550W which is unlikely to be enough => I'm not too sure about but I'd wager somewhere 750W-850W range. EVGA G3 850W maybe?

Upgrade 2, Everything MoBo:

Anything that requires some support from the motherboard

• CPU: Intel i5-6600 => AMD Ryzen 9 3900X or thereabouts
• MoBo: Asus Z170-P => Asus Prime X570-PRO or similar
• Memory: 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR4-2133 CL14 => 2x16GB sticks of G.Skill Ripjaws V series DDR4-3200 CL14
• Cooler: Stock => actual aircooling, Noctua NH-D15 BLACK looks good

Upgrade 3, GPU:

The big cheesegrater

• GPU: GTX1060 3GB => RTX 3080, eventually. Hopefully.

1. Good choice of wattage, as for the units:

 

2. Not the X570-Pro due to prices, it's just TUF board with Intel LAN rather than Realtek. B550 boards are better if you dont need to pull around a lot of fast storage (double the bandwidth to chipset, PCIe 4.0 x4 for X570 and PCIe 3.0 x4 for B550) and a lot of them come with 2.5G LAN rather than cheaper X570's 1G LAN.

For memory, B-die like that is good for tuning but high frequency CJR/Rev E kits are better for saving budget towards the graphics card https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cF4BD3/team-t-force-dark-za-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-memory-tdzad432g4000hc18jdc01

 

3. Definitely dont get the 20 series

 

21 minutes ago, hektonian said:

• Could the new 12V PSU standard affect me when I want to upgrade again in the far off future?
• RTX 3080 is going to be bleeding edge. Should I hold buying it until some reliable reviews come in?
• I'm not bright on the MoBo chipsets. Is X570 (Or Asus Prime for that matter) a future-proof choice?
• Same with CAS latency or timings. Is CL14 overkill or would some cheaper CL16 suffice?

Currently, no. There's only 1 consumer facing board you can buy today that uses ATX12VO standard (the Asrock Z490 Phantom 4 SR), it wont be big any time soon.

 

Definitely

 

More bandwidth down the chipset means holding more fast storage, but B550 and Z490 chipsets are more up to date. It's not more future proof if you only use two fast storage drives and the rest are slower SATA SSDs and HDDs.

 

If you're going to overclock memory sticks yourself with huge budgets then chasing after Samsung B-die makes sense, otherwise no. The performance difference between well tuned B-die and something else that's also rated for high frequency and properly tuned will be hardly noticeable outside of benchmarks.

[hektonian]

1 minute ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Does this budget include a monitor? Because unless you are going for high refresh rate 1440p/4k gmaing then this upgrade would be massively overkill if you continued to use a 1080p monitor.

I currently own a single Asus ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor that has served well so far

 

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 And even then a 3070 may make more sense, or maybe an AMD equivalent if they can push out a high performing GPU. 

Are there any known dates on the AMD GPUs?

[DailyProcrastinator]

Just now, hektonian said:

I currently own a single Asus ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor that has served well so far

That should be good for now, a 3070 still would be a good option though.

 

2 minutes ago, hektonian said:

Are there any known dates on the AMD GPUs?

Not yet but if I had to guess they will tease or announce an upcoming release date in the coming weeks to try an offset Nvidia's launch. If they don't I would suspect that the product is not going to be able to perform with the 3070 even. If it performs just as well they would be smart to get ahead now so they do not lose out on sales. I would love if this were the case but I am doubtful. Might be stuck with mid-low end AMD GPU's again.

 

AMD will launch by the years end though, same with their CPU's. 

[Bombastinator]

Howdy and welcome

 

Re: 3080.
I’m planning on holding myself.  I’ve got enough machine to do that though.  My understanding is the conventional wisdom is to keep your system until it just won’t go anymore or you can reasonably predict when it will no longer be able to, and then look for a good sale point to upgrade.  
 

why I want to wait.

Spoiler

For me this is looking like Black Friday sales stuff.  Info on the consoles should be out which will define how games will be written for the next five years. There will also be info on both big Navi and amphere out by then.  Cost savings can sometimes be achieved by early adopting, but there are an unusually large amount of unknowns atm.  It becomes luck.

One of the big unknowns is how will drive latency reductions drive game programming.  Ps5 apparently has big stuff in this area.  XboxX  has some but less of it.

 Amphere has a feature which has the potential to drastically reduce drive latency, but it has to be written into a game.  AMD stuff is unknown still.  If they have a feature which DOESNT have to be written in there may come about a situation where an AMD gpu can play a game but NVIDIA can’t. Likewise if AMD DOESNT have such a feature there may come a situation where NVIDIA can play a game but AMD can’t. They may both have such systems in which case it will be one of the other or both, or MVIDIAs system may not even work for what it needs to do and AMD has none either in which case there may be a bunch of games that can only ever be played on console. 

Re: Mobos

b550 is newer than x570 and therefore has some system that are hard to put on x570, but has reduced pcie4 functionality, which may come back to bite one.  Right now for gaming the preference is b550 but that could change. 
 

re: CAS.

MHz seems to beat CAS generally, but Ryzen2 has a kind of weird limit where if you want to go past 3600mhz  (3733?) you need to go Waaay past it or you actually get a slowdown.  Also some motherboards have limits on the fastest memory they can run.  The result is that if one hits such a hard limit one can reduce CAS and continue to gain some speed. 
 

UPDATE: lol wow.  When I started typing there were zero replies.  Good chance this is just repetition at this point.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Bombastinator

[hektonian]

24 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

UPDATE: lol wow.  When I started typing there were zero replies.  Good chance this is just repetition at this point.

No, your input was very helpful, thanks.