Posted August 18, 2020 I have been using debaurs manual 5ghz 24/7 preset in my maximus xi gene, the adaptive one has always been unstable and I just assumed it was because my 9900K wasnt very good. I was preparing my system for sale and running prime95 to ensure everything was stable and good for the new owner.... then I noticed than Intels XTU/CPU-Z/CPUID HW Monitor where all showing different values for the VCORE and none of them were showing 1.35v for it (which is the preset). So I used XTU to push an extra 0.1v into the VCORE and it's sitting at 80C direct die water cooled while running prime95, does this sound right? What is going on? Monitor: Alienware AW2518HF CPU: 9900K @ 5.1GHz Heatsink: 2x360MM Custom Loop GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO RAM: Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 2x8GB 4400Mhz Mobo: Asus Maximus XI Gene Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 PSU: Corsair RM1000x Storage: Seagate Firecuda 510 2TB M.2, Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 256GB M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 Prime 95 Is Awful and you shouldn't use it. Test your thermals using what you are actually going to do. Other then that 80 degrees under load doesnt sound that bad. My Gaming and Editing Rig : http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/500716-red-gaming-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 Author 5 minutes ago, Shimejii said: Prime 95 Is Awful and you shouldn't use it. Test your thermals using what you are actually going to do. Other then that 80 degrees under load doesnt sound that bad. That's not what im asking, im asking why I am having to use XTU to manually adjust VCORE rather than what has been set in the BIOS. Monitor: Alienware AW2518HF CPU: 9900K @ 5.1GHz Heatsink: 2x360MM Custom Loop GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO RAM: Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 2x8GB 4400Mhz Mobo: Asus Maximus XI Gene Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 PSU: Corsair RM1000x Storage: Seagate Firecuda 510 2TB M.2, Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 256GB M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kitsan said: That's not what im asking, im asking why I am having to use XTU to manually adjust VCORE rather than what has been set in the BIOS. Bios can be Wonky, there are reasons why they give you these tools. My Gaming and Editing Rig : http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/500716-red-gaming-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shimejii said: Prime 95 Is Awful and you shouldn't use it. Test your thermals using what you are actually going to do. Other then that 80 degrees under load doesnt sound that bad. Prime95 is an excellent stress test to tell if things are unstable. Main: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti, 16 GB 4400 MHz DDR4 Fedora 38 x86_64 Secondary: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, 16 GB 2667 MHz DDR4, Fedora 38 x86_64 Server: AMD Athlon PRO 3125GE, 32 GB 2667 MHz DDR4 ECC, TrueNAS Core 13.0-U5.1 Home Laptop: Intel Core i5-L16G7, 8 GB 4267 MHz LPDDR4x, Windows 11 Home 22H2 x86_64 Work Laptop: Intel Core i7-10510U, NVIDIA Quadro P520, 8 GB 2667 MHz DDR4, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 x86_64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Shimejii said: Prime 95 Is Awful and you shouldn't use it. Test your thermals using what you are actually going to do. Other then that 80 degrees under load doesnt sound that bad. sure p95 is likely to be more intensive than any other workload you'll ever use but it's nice to know that your system can handle anything that'll get thrown its way. my on the spot, shitty analogy would be that car manufacturers dont base their cars' safety on how well it holds up under normal conditions, they crash it and do silly shit to it 1 minute ago, Kitsan said: That's not what im asking, what im asking why I am having to use XTU to manually adjust VCORE rather than what has been set in the BIOS. from my experience with my maximus xi hero it wont give your cpu more voltage than it needs, especially in p95. if im running my 9700k at 5ghz and i give it 1.35v it'll only use 1.3v in non avx, 1.2 in avx as i have an offset. dunno much more than that. also, what do you mean by "debaurs manual 5ghz 24/7 preset topics i need help on: Spoiler my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder) GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo) Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly) basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 1 minute ago, svmlegacy said: Prime95 is an excellent stress test to tell if things are unstable. It goes too far and can often time cause more issues that it fixes. But to each their own. My Gaming and Editing Rig : http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/500716-red-gaming-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, VeganJoy said: sure p95 is likely to be more intensive than any other workload you'll ever use but it's nice to know that your system can handle anything that'll get thrown its way. my on the spot, shitty analogy would be that car manufacturers dont base their cars' safety on how well it holds up under normal conditions, they crash it and do silly shit to it from my experience with my maximus xi hero it wont give your cpu more voltage than it needs, especially in p95. if im running my 9700k at 5ghz and i give it 1.35v it'll only use 1.3v in non avx, 1.2 in avx as i have an offset. dunno much more than that. also, what do you mean by "debaurs manual 5ghz 24/7 preset Agree on the p95, i've noticed that allot of people on this forum don't read questions (this is not aimed at you). debaurs manual 5ghz 24/7 is a preset in the bios, you can select it and it automatically configures the BIOS Monitor: Alienware AW2518HF CPU: 9900K @ 5.1GHz Heatsink: 2x360MM Custom Loop GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO RAM: Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 2x8GB 4400Mhz Mobo: Asus Maximus XI Gene Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 PSU: Corsair RM1000x Storage: Seagate Firecuda 510 2TB M.2, Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 256GB M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kitsan said: debaurs manual 5ghz 24/7 is a preset in the bios, you can select it and it automatically configures the BIOS oh ok, i'll have to look into that. im about to slot a 9900k in my z390 hero but my ambient temp is 26-27C, its not delidded, and all ive got is a bigass noctua. 5ghz without spontaneously combusting would be a feat of engineering and a lot of luck here lol topics i need help on: Spoiler my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder) GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo) Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly) basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 Author 13 minutes ago, VeganJoy said: oh ok, i'll have to look into that. im about to slot a 9900k in my z390 hero but my ambient temp is 26-27C, its not delidded, and all ive got is a bigass noctua. 5ghz without spontaneously combusting would be a feat of engineering and a lot of luck here lol Well mine seems much happier now, while running at 5.1ghz I couldnt change the cache ratio past 45x and now it's happy at 50x. I think it was running at 1.24-1.28v VCORE this whole time. Monitor: Alienware AW2518HF CPU: 9900K @ 5.1GHz Heatsink: 2x360MM Custom Loop GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO RAM: Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 2x8GB 4400Mhz Mobo: Asus Maximus XI Gene Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 PSU: Corsair RM1000x Storage: Seagate Firecuda 510 2TB M.2, Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 256GB M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 its called VDROOP voltage drops under load, increase LLC if you want it gone. Insert ram related question here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1197132-setting-ram-speed-xmp-docp-for-dummies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 think GN used new terminlogy for this vbios vsocket and vget 38 minutes ago, VeganJoy said: oh ok, i'll have to look into that. im about to slot a 9900k in my z390 hero but my ambient temp is 26-27C, its not delidded, and all ive got is a bigass noctua. 5ghz without spontaneously combusting would be a feat of engineering and a lot of luck here lol should be fine up to 1.3v, not sure about 1.35, depends on when the chip was made, the later chips were all binned and the oc got worse. 5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc) 1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll 6950xt gaming x trio 325w 60C ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll 6x nf12/14 ippc fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll AW3423DW 9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io ll EVGA 30 non90 tie ftw3 1920//10000 0.85v 300w 71C ll 6x nf14 ippc 2000rpm ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll l sandisk 4tb sata ssd +4tb exssd backup ll 2x 500gb samsung 970 evo raid 0 llCorsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll w10p ll NEC PA241w ll pa32ucg-k prebuilt 5800 stock ll 2x8gb ddr4 cl17 3466 ll oem 3080 0.85v 1890//10000 290w 74C ll 27gl850b ll pa272w ll w11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 Author 7 minutes ago, TrigrH said: its called VDROOP voltage drops under load, increase LLC if you want it gone. LLC is on and it stays at 1.24-1.28v VCORE even when its set on manual not adaptive. Monitor: Alienware AW2518HF CPU: 9900K @ 5.1GHz Heatsink: 2x360MM Custom Loop GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO RAM: Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 2x8GB 4400Mhz Mobo: Asus Maximus XI Gene Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 PSU: Corsair RM1000x Storage: Seagate Firecuda 510 2TB M.2, Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 256GB M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kitsan said: LLC is on and it stays at 1.24-1.28v VCORE even when its set on manual not adaptive. then set it higher if you want more voltage under load Insert ram related question here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1197132-setting-ram-speed-xmp-docp-for-dummies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, xg32 said: should be fine up to 1.3v, not sure about 1.35, depends on when the chip was made, the later chips were all binned and the oc got worse. its a recent one, r0 stepping and almost certainly after they started binning for the ks. good news is that 5ghz@1.29v was free and it can almost certainly go lower if i wanted to fuck around with it, bad news is that takes me up to 100C in p95 lmao (80C in benchmarks and games which is passable i guess, would rather not deal with that though lol) e: whoops nevermind, i was gonna run p95 to share my actual voltages with op buuuuuut i am rewarded with a bsod from overheating lmao, no 5ghz for me topics i need help on: Spoiler my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder) GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo) Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly) basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 21, 2020 Author On 8/18/2020 at 4:55 AM, VeganJoy said: its a recent one, r0 stepping and almost certainly after they started binning for the ks. good news is that 5ghz@1.29v was free and it can almost certainly go lower if i wanted to fuck around with it, bad news is that takes me up to 100C in p95 lmao (80C in benchmarks and games which is passable i guess, would rather not deal with that though lol) e: whoops nevermind, i was gonna run p95 to share my actual voltages with op buuuuuut i am rewarded with a bsod from overheating lmao, no 5ghz for me What cooler are you running? Bear in mind mines direct die cooled with liquid metal to get 5ghz 80C in P95, whats your AVX offset as you probably wont get 5ghz in p95 without a custom loop? Monitor: Alienware AW2518HF CPU: 9900K @ 5.1GHz Heatsink: 2x360MM Custom Loop GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO RAM: Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 2x8GB 4400Mhz Mobo: Asus Maximus XI Gene Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 PSU: Corsair RM1000x Storage: Seagate Firecuda 510 2TB M.2, Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 256GB M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 3:33 AM, Kitsan said: What cooler are you running? Bear in mind mines direct die cooled with liquid metal to get 5ghz 80C in P95, whats your AVX offset as you probably wont get 5ghz in p95 without a custom loop? noctua d15s, think i was running -3 avx offset. in any case ive been planning my amd build for a few weeks now and went ahead and got it 90% done yesterday. the 3600 in there takes almost half the wattage while doing p95 prp checks 20% faster. kinda insane how efficient zen 2 is, cant wait for zen 3 topics i need help on: Spoiler my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder) GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo) Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly) basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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