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Should I be avoiding smr and go for a nas cmr drive?

SILENCEuk

So my reliable HDD is dying and I need to get a new one. 
 

I want to get a 2Tb 3.5inch drive but recalled the video about smr vs cmr and saw all the reviews online about the issues. 
 

so my question is will it matter to me ? 

I download around 20-30gb a day of video to watch. And sometimes double or triple this. This data is then often watched and the deleted within a day or two. 
 

would the issues around smr affect me? 
 

am very open to HDD recommendations if you have a reliable long lasting drive that’s 7200rpm and can take the daily use easily. 

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1 minute ago, SILENCEuk said:

So my reliable HDD is dying and I need to get a new one. 
 

I want to get a 2Tb 3.5inch drive but recalled the video about smr vs cmr and saw all the reviews online about the issues. 
 

so my question is will it matter to me ? 

I download around 20-30gb a day of video to watch. And sometimes double or triple this. This data is then often watched and the deleted within a day or two. 
 

would the issues around smr affect me? 
 

am very open to HDD recommendations if you have a reliable long lasting drive that’s 7200rpm and can take the daily use easily. 

SMR is very bad in RAID arrays. In normal desktop use they are fine...

 

They do write slower then normal CMR drives, but.... they write a lot faster than your internet likely is. Also, movie files are large chunks, so that’s very high continuous writes vs lots of random writes. I don’t see it being an issue at all, unless your internet is gigabit and your looking to fully saturate your download speeds... even then though it likely can keep up. Gigabit is 125 MBps. I don’t think a SMR drive can do continuous writes quite at that speed, I’d assume maybe ~70-90 MBps, but you would have to google to be sure. 

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1 minute ago, LIGISTX said:

SMR is very bad in RAID arrays. In normal desktop use they are fine...

 

They do write slower then normal CMR drives, but.... they write a lot faster than your internet likely is. Also, movie files are large chunks, so that’s very high continuous writes vs lots of random writes. I don’t see it being an issue at all, unless your internet is gigabit and your looking to fully saturate your download speeds... even then though it likely can keep up. Gigabit is 125 MBps. I don’t think a SMR drive can do continuous writes quite at that speed, I’d assume maybe ~70-90 MBps, but you would have to google to be sure. 

This is actually very helpful thank you. 
 

so basically as my router and hub set up is limited to 100mbs the limitations of smr shouldn’t ever be an issue ? And sequential read writes and maybe a few games that spill over from the ssds would be absolutely fine? 
 

any advice on wd blue over a barracuda ? 

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4 minutes ago, SILENCEuk said:

This is actually very helpful thank you. 
 

so basically as my router and hub set up is limited to 100mbs the limitations of smr shouldn’t ever be an issue ? And sequential read writes and maybe a few games that spill over from the ssds would be absolutely fine? 
 

any advice on wd blue over a barracuda ? 

Correct. Should be fine. SMR reads about as fast an CMR, so games will load about the same. They will install a bit slower, but you install games ones.... and yea. 100mbps is 12.5 MBps.... (MB is 8x mb). So 12.5 MBps is a total non issue. SMR will not be your bottleneck here. 
 

Whichever is cheaper. Everyone will complain about one company or another. Or swear by one over another. Fact is. They all, on average, make reliable drives. I did end up buying ~12 of seagates BAD 7200.12 3TB drives. I think 8 of them ended up failing, and 4 of the refurb units I was given as RMA failed as well. Those were flawed drives. I’m sure WD has had their issues as well. So really, whichever is cheaper. Odds are if one ends up having a horrible issue, we won’t know for a while anyways. I know that sounds ominous and not reassuring, but it’s much more likely neither will have issues :)

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Headphones/amp/dac: Schiit Lyr 3 - - Fostex TR-X00 - - Sennheiser HD 6xx

 

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4 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Correct. Should be fine. SMR reads about as fast an CMR, so games will load about the same. They will install a bit slower, but you install games ones.... and yea. 100mbps is 12.5 MBps.... (MB is 8x mb). So 12.5 MBps is a total non issue. SMR will not be your bottleneck here. 
 

Whichever is cheaper. Everyone will complain about one company or another. Or swear by one over another. Fact is. They all, on average, make reliable drives. I did end up buying ~12 of seagates BAD 7200.12 3TB drives. I think 8 of them ended up failing, and 4 of the refurb units I was given as RMA failed as well. Those were flawed drives. I’m sure WD has had their issues as well. So really, whichever is cheaper. Odds are if one ends up having a horrible issue, we won’t know for a while anyways. I know that sounds ominous and not reassuring, but it’s much more likely neither will have issues :)

Perfect exactly the info I needed thank you again. 
 

will pick up a 2tb barracuda simply because it’s the same price as a wd blue and comes a day earlier from amazon. At £60 it can’t be horrible right ?

 

Either way though thank you again for the speedy advice and reassurance. 

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1 minute ago, SILENCEuk said:

Perfect exactly the info I needed thank you again. 
 

will pick up a 2tb barracuda simply because it’s the same price as a wd blue and comes a day earlier from amazon. At £60 it can’t be horrible right ?

 

Either way though thank you again for the speedy advice and reassurance. 

Personally, I would get a larger capacity... just because I bet a 3TB is ~10 bucks more. But I mean, that’s just me trying to spend your money lol. If all you need is 2TB, your good! And if the price to go from 2 to 3 is more then it’s worth, yea don’t don’t it. 
 

And yea, should be good! Seagate is totally fine. Yea, I got burned by their 7200.12 fiasco, but it was shit luck. Like I said, typically, they are fine. I don’t hold it against then. Shit happens. 

Rig: i7 13700k - - Asus Z790-P Wifi - - RTX 4080 - - 4x16GB 6000MHz - - Samsung 990 Pro 2TB NVMe Boot + Main Programs - - Assorted SATA SSD's for Photo Work - - Corsair RM850x - - Sound BlasterX EA-5 - - Corsair XC8 JTC Edition - - Corsair GPU Full Cover GPU Block - - XT45 X-Flow 420 + UT60 280 rads - - EK XRES RGB PWM - - Fractal Define S2 - - Acer Predator X34 -- Logitech G502 - - Logitech G710+ - - Logitech Z5500 - - LTT Deskpad

 

Headphones/amp/dac: Schiit Lyr 3 - - Fostex TR-X00 - - Sennheiser HD 6xx

 

Homelab/ Media Server: Proxmox VE host - - 512 NVMe Samsung 980 RAID Z1 for VM's/Proxmox boot - - Xeon e5 2660 V4- - Supermicro X10SRF-i - - 128 GB ECC 2133 - - 10x4 TB WD Red RAID Z2 - - Corsair 750D - - Corsair RM650i - - Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA - - Intel RES2SC240 SAS Expander - - TreuNAS + many other VM’s

 

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7 hours ago, LIGISTX said:

Personally, I would get a larger capacity... just because I bet a 3TB is ~10 bucks more. But I mean, that’s just me trying to spend your money lol. If all you need is 2TB, your good! And if the price to go from 2 to 3 is more then it’s worth, yea don’t don’t it. 
 

And yea, should be good! Seagate is totally fine. Yea, I got burned by their 7200.12 fiasco, but it was shit luck. Like I said, typically, they are fine. I don’t hold it against then. Shit happens. 

Yeah it’s an extra £16 and I wasn’t running out of space using the 1 tb so to be fair 2 is overkill already even for £16 it’s just not worth it and would likely die again before I filled it lol (have a 1TB ssd and around 350gb in other ssds from years off adding them) 

 

my froogle brain kicked in but you nearly got amazon the extra out of me !!! 

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