New cpu cooler doesn't make a difference

[worldsiko]

Yesterday I bought a new cpu cooler, the Noctua NH-U12s because the stock cooler of the ryzen 5 3600 was way too loud and hot for my liking.

So I installed the cooler, some annoyances but I eventually got it in, so then I went to compare the temperatures.

The wraith stealth was average 80-85 on load, but the nh-u12s was also 80-85 and i knew that something was wrong, I reinstalled and reseated the cooler a few times, new thermal paste etc etc, but there was no difference!

Does anyone have an idea why this is? The noctua cooler should cool much better than the stock cooler of the wraith.

 

[Tan3l6]

Does the case have adequate cooling? So that the CPU heat would be ejected from the case sooner than later.

[Som3a]

5 minutes ago, worldsiko said:

Yesterday I bought a new cpu cooler, the Noctua NH-U12s because the stock cooler of the ryzen 5 3600 was way too loud and hot for my liking.

So I installed the cooler, some annoyances but I eventually got it in, so then I went to compare the temperatures.

The wraith stealth was average 80-85 on load, but the nh-u12s was also 80-85 and i knew that something was wrong, I reinstalled and reseated the cooler a few times, new thermal paste etc etc, but there was no difference!

Does anyone have an idea why this is? The noctua cooler should cool much better than the stock cooler of the wraith.

 

What case are you using because even with a stock wraith cooler you should get good temps depending on your case, you might be having a hotbox situation where the hot air is being recirculated

[SupaKomputa]

It's probably your air circulation is not good.

Try opening the case to see any difference.

[worldsiko]

I am using a Sharkoon S25-W, it's not the best case for airflow but even with the side and front panels off the difference is only 1-2 degrees lower

5 minutes ago, Som3a said:

What case are you using because even with a stock wraith cooler you should get good temps depending on your case, you might be having a hotbox situation where the hot air is being recirculated

 

[Som3a]

1 minute ago, worldsiko said:

I am using a Sharkoon S25-W, it's not the best case for airflow but even with the side and front panels off the difference is only 1-2 degrees lower

 

It's a closed off front panel I am assuming? Maybe check your fans are mounted correctly and try removing the front panel, there might be dust buildup that is blocking your fans or they might simply need a good cleaning, you can also check fan curves and activity in software

[PorkishPig]

What software are you using to monitor temps? Some monitoring software will put a load on your CPU when running. I would recommend trying Ryzen Master from https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master. You can read more about this issue here.

[worldsiko]

17 minutes ago, PorkishPig said:

What software are you using to monitor temps? Some monitoring software will put a load on your CPU when running. I would recommend trying Ryzen Master from https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master. You can read more about this issue here.

I've been using ryzen master like you recommended the whole time

22 minutes ago, Som3a said:

It's a closed off front panel I am assuming? Maybe check your fans are mounted correctly and try removing the front panel, there might be dust buildup that is blocking your fans or they might simply need a good cleaning, you can also check fan curves and activity in software

I've cleaned my whole pc before installing the cooler and with all the panels off like i said in a few messages above the difference is very minor

[Som3a]

3 minutes ago, worldsiko said:

I've been using ryzen master like you recommended the whole time

I've cleaned my whole pc before installing the cooler and with all the panels off like i said in a few messages above the difference is very minor

Hmmm, this is intriguing, I'm afraid I don't know what the issue is, good luck though....

[narrdarr]

how much paste are you using? how well is it spreading? how is your mounting pressure?

 

its ok to use a little too much paste it not ok to use to little

 

do you have XMP and PBO enabled?

 

edit:

How many fans do you have?

[worldsiko]

2 hours ago, narrdarr said:

how much paste are you using? how well is it spreading? how is your mounting pressure?

 

its ok to use a little too much paste it not ok to use to little

 

do you have XMP and PBO enabled?

 

edit:

How many fans do you have?

I'd not know how to explain how much paste im using but i do know it's not too little and not too much
 

I have my msi b550 tomahawk on xmp profile 1, i do not know if that enables anything though and i do not know if i have pbo enabled i'll check

 

And i have 5 arctic p12 pwm pst fans installed, 3 intakes and one exhaust

 

edit: pbo is disabled

[narrdarr]

interesting. maybe it something simple we are missing here.

Can you post a few pic of your build?

[thirdparty]

mind showing the fan curve for u12s?

[worldsiko]

14 hours ago, narrdarr said:

interesting. maybe it something simple we are missing here.

Can you post a few pic of your build?

https://imgur.com/f8Lkq1T
The bottom exhaust fan on the front has been made into an intake, the top 2 fans are also intake, fan in the back is exhaust

13 hours ago, thirdparty said:

mind showing the fan curve for u12s?

https://imgur.com/Sjjy2lU I am sorry for the low quality picture i was in a haste, but i hope it's enough

 

Picture of spread after i took the cooler off the cpu Is there maybe something wrong with the spread maybe?

Picture of spread on the bottom of the cooler

 

[Jeppes]

Use hwinfo64 to find out clock speed and Cpu Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) on load. Also what load are you using? Prime 95 smallest fft will produce about 20W:s higher load than CB r20.

[worldsiko]

1 hour ago, Jeppes said:

Use hwinfo64 to find out clock speed and Cpu Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) on load. Also what load are you using? Prime 95 smallest fft will produce about 20W:s higher load than CB r20.

I use blender scenes to put a load on my cpu since i render a lot in blender

[Jeppes]

8 minutes ago, worldsiko said:

I use blender scene to put a load on my cpu since i render a lot in blender

That looks high. What rpm are your fans running? My 3600 is 87C with 1200rpm Arctic Freezer 34 on a 108W load and it should be about equal on cooling.

 

And are you sure cpu rendering is best for you? I know some have quality in mind with cpu rendering but gpu is usually a lot faster.

[worldsiko]

Blender 2.8 since has a feature to combine cpu and gpu for faster rendering, it puts them both to 100% That's what i always use.

As for the rpm my fans run mostly, i'll have to check in the bios since speedfan cant find my fan(s)

 

Edit: When the cpu's temperature is above 70c the fan runs at 100% speed which is 1500rpm (max speed of the fan on the cooler according to noctua)

 

[narrdarr]

paste looks fine. i bit more just as test wouldn't hurt.

was hoping for pic of the full build..

 

just a random thought is the cpu cooler fan on backwards?

 

also don't run to different monitoring software at the same time. it throws the number out of wack.

[worldsiko]

28 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

paste looks fine. i bit more just as test wouldn't hurt.

was hoping for pic of the full build..

 

just a random thought is the cpu cooler fan on backwards?

 

also don't run to different monitoring software at the same time. it throws the number out of wack.

oops, i accidentally used the wrong imgur link of the whole pc build, this is what i meant to put
https://imgur.com/q9AsQeW (the bottom exhaust fan on the front is now a intake)

[narrdarr]

i would get rid of the top front fan altogether. it removing air before the cpu can even use it.

[Demonic Donut]

39 minutes ago, worldsiko said:

oops, i accidentally used the wrong imgur link of the whole pc build, this is what i meant to put
https://imgur.com/q9AsQeW (the bottom exhaust fan on the front is now a intake)

Try flipping the front top fan to intake. I found it helped my CPU temps when the GPU was kicking out a lot of heat. Hot air was being sucked up to the CPU tower.

 

Do you know what your frequency was running at when you had the stock cooler? You could be pulling more current now. I found AMD seems to try to boost to the 85C range.

[worldsiko]

1 hour ago, narrdarr said:

i would get rid of the top front fan altogether. it removing air before the cpu can even use it.

I did it, but the temps are still the same, fuck

48 minutes ago, Demonic Donut said:

Try flipping the front top fan to intake. I found it helped my CPU temps when the GPU was kicking out a lot of heat. Hot air was being sucked up to the CPU tower.

 

Do you know what your frequency was running at when you had the stock cooler? You could be pulling more current now. I found AMD seems to try to boost to the 85C range.

I sadly really don't know what frequency my cpu was running when i was still running the wraith stealth

 

I really dont fucking know what to do, it's really getting on my nerves. Could there be a manufacturing fault in the heatsink, fan or the installation stuff? Could it be my cpu that got a defect? I'm really considering returning the cooler but then i'm scared that its a problem witt the cpu or motherboard or case i dont know

[narrdarr]

1 hour ago, Demonic Donut said:

Try flipping the front top fan to intake. I found it helped my CPU temps when the GPU was kicking out a lot of heat. Hot air was being sucked up to the CPU tower.

 

Do you know what your frequency was running at when you had the stock cooler? You could be pulling more current now. I found AMD seems to try to boost to the 85C range.

 

45 minutes ago, worldsiko said:

I did it, but the temps are still the same, fuck

I sadly really don't know what frequency my cpu was running when i was still running the wraith stealth

 

I really dont fucking know what to do, it's really getting on my nerves. Could there be a manufacturing fault in the heatsink, fan or the installation stuff? Could it be my cpu that got a defect? I'm really considering returning the cooler but then i'm scared that its a problem witt the cpu or motherboard or case i dont know

Demonic Donut has a vaid point if the cpu see more thermal headroom it will try to boost farther.

you can see if your bios has a feature called cpu auto boost and disable it. Or you can set a negative cpu voltage offset -.05 or even more. the lower the better until it starts to hinder performance

[worldsiko]

39 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

 

Demonic Donut has a vaid point if the cpu see more thermal headroom it will try to boost farther.

you can see if your bios has a feature called cpu auto boost and disable it. Or you can set a negative cpu voltage offset -.05 or even more. the lower the better until it starts to hinder performance

I couldn't find anything with cpu auto boost, only thing i could find is precision boost overdrive