I really don't get it.

[Kijlok25]

Hey guys, my name is Denis and i'v been interested in Gaming PC's for a long time.

I had a gaming PC for almost 3 years and sometimes I upgrade its components for better overall performance.

a few days ago I upgraded from GTX 1050 TI to GIGABYTE RTX 2070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC.

for some reason, my FPS in games is very low(which is surprising because I have a good GPU)

I know that CPU,Memory and other PC components can do a great difference when it comes to FPS

but for some reason with videos and benchmarks I watch online about my Components

seems like i'm getting less then I should.

Today is my Birthday and i thought to upgrade one of my components for a better gaming experience.

I have:

GPU:GIGABYTE RTX 2070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC

PSU: Corsair 650W

MEMORY: Corsair Vengense LPX DDR4 cloked 2400 C16 2x8GB(but manually  overcloked to 3200MHZ)

CPU: Ryzen 7 1700 3.0ghz( manually overcloked to base 3.9GHZ,turbo 3.85GHZ(avg)

Mother Board: gigabyte ab350 gaming 3-cf

 

I really  hope you can guys help me figure this out.

because personally I have NO IDEA what can cause this huge a performance drop.

 

www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/31185996

 

Thanks

  

Edited July 30, 2020 by Kijlok25

[xg32]

2 minutes ago, Kijlok25 said:

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did u ddu (heh) ur drivers after switching out the gpu? if not, do so and it should be fixed.

[Kijlok25]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

did u ddu (heh) ur drivers after switching out the gpu? if no, do so and it should be fixed.

I did everything. 

used ddu and installed new graphics

I'm watching to buy a new component today

something like CPU if that will solve my issue

my friend has recommended me to purchase the AMD RYZEN 5 3600X OR 3700X 

because from what I know my MotherBoard isn't compatible with intel CPU's 

[Kijlok25]

I just need your help guys to figure out which components will improve my FPS

from what I know in AMD CPU's memory is a big performance change

but I overclocked mine from 2400MHZ to 3200MHZ  so I don't think it will make a difference.

[xg32]

Just now, Kijlok25 said:

I did everything. 

used ddu and installed new graphics

I'm watching to buy a new component today

something like CPU if that will solve my issue

my friend has recommended me to purchase the AMD RYZEN 5 3600X OR 3700X 

because from what I know my MotherBoard isn't compatible with intel CPU's 

i wouldn't switch cpus just yet, did u use the 1700 also with the 1050 ti?, if all u did was switch the gpu then u shouldn't see worse performance, i'm still leaning toward a driver issue.

[Samfisher]

What is "low" fps?

[LIGISTX]

Just now, Kijlok25 said:

I did everything. 

used ddu and installed new graphics

I'm watching to buy a new component today

something like CPU if that will solve my issue

my friend has recommended me to purchase the AMD RYZEN 5 3600X OR 3700X 

because from what I know my MotherBoard isn't compatible with intel CPU's 

You definitely can't use Intel. I would likely go with a 3600. Now that the "higher end" chips are out, the 3600 is at a very very good price point, 3600x is not a bad bet either. I wouldn't go any higher though as I would start to worry about the mobo VRM. The 3600x would be a solid upgrade..... depending on resolution, and depending on what FPS you are actually getting. It should be anywhere from 5-25% increase depending on the game. 

[LIGISTX]

2 minutes ago, Kijlok25 said:

I just need your help guys to figure out which components will improve my FPS

from what I know in AMD CPU's memory is a big performance change

but I overclocked mine from 2400MHZ to 3200MHZ  so I don't think it will make a difference.

3200 is plenty fast, that certainly isn't the issue. Its stable..?

[Kijlok25]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

i wouldn't switch cpus just yet, did u use the 1700 also with the 1050 ti?, if all u did was switch the gpu then u shouldn't see worse performance, i'm still leaning toward a driver issue.

I don't have worst performance

Ill give you an example

 

when im playing Rise of the tomb raider on ultra no AA

I have 70-110 FPS normally 

but when I look in a few directions or the horizon or something like that my FPS drops to 35

after standing in the same place

and changing my Graphics to very low 

standing in the same place looking in the same direction I still have 35FPS

and for some reason

this user benchmark says that my GPU is under performing

www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/31185996 

[Kijlok25]

2 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

What is "low" fps?

bad FPS 

bellow 60

[Kijlok25]

1 minute ago, LIGISTX said:

3200 is plenty fast, that certainly isn't the issue. Its stable..?

yes it is

[Kijlok25]

2 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

You definitely can't use Intel. I would likely go with a 3600. Now that the "higher end" chips are out, the 3600 is at a very very good price point, 3600x is not a bad bet either. I wouldn't go any higher though as I would start to worry about the mobo VRM. The 3600x would be a solid upgrade..... depending on resolution, and depending on what FPS you are actually getting. It should be anywhere from 5-25% increase depending on the game. 

I have a 1920x1080 display 60hz

im not searching for 400FPS 

I just want to be able to play all games with Ultra graphics with above 60fps (because I wont see that big of a difference anyways despite the Fact I have 60HZ.

what do you mean worrying about mobo VRM?

[LIGISTX]

1 minute ago, Kijlok25 said:

I don't have worst performance

Ill give you an example

 

when im playing Rise of the tomb raider on ultra no AA

I have 70-110 FPS normally 

but when I look in a few directions or the horizon or something like that my FPS drops to 35

after standing in the same place

and changing my Graphics to very low 

standing in the same place looking in the same direction I still have 35FPS

and for some reason

this user benchmark says that my GPU is under performing

www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/31185996 

What resolution? And how did you test stability? I also know if your memory and, oh man, I forget as I am not an AMD user... but if your RAM isn't close to the infinity fabric? speed, it can actually cause performance degradation, I think? Hopefully more AMD focused folks would be able to explain this or correct me if that isn't right.

[Samfisher]

3 minutes ago, Kijlok25 said:

I don't have worst performance

Ill give you an example

 

when im playing Rise of the tomb raider on ultra no AA

I have 70-110 FPS normally 

but when I look in a few directions or the horizon or something like that my FPS drops to 35

after standing in the same place

and changing my Graphics to very low 

standing in the same place looking in the same direction I still have 35FPS

and for some reason

this user benchmark says that my GPU is under performing

www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/31185996 

Userbenchmark is beyond shit.  Go download 3DMark on Steam, some benchmarks are free.

[LIGISTX]

2 minutes ago, Kijlok25 said:

yes it is

How did you test it? RAM can be very tricky to verify stability... And can cause very strange issues when it isn't stable. 

 

1 minute ago, Kijlok25 said:

I have a 1920x1080 display 60hz

 

what do you mean worrying about mobo VRM?

That is "low" resolution. So, yes, something seems off. Your system shouldn't have much issue running 1080p. The CPU is certainly a bit slow, but I wouldn't think it would be that slow....

 

The mobo VRM is the power delivery to the CPU. I wouldn't put a high core count CPU on an early Ryzen board. Thus why I wouldn't go any higher than a 3600x. The mobo VRM likely just isn't up to providing the power needed for higher end chips. But with that said, a 3600x is very close to the best performance you can get with AMD anyways, so its plenty fast for gaming. 

[Kijlok25]

Just now, Samfisher said:

Userbenchmark is beyond shit.  Go download 3DMark on Steam, some benchmarks are free.

already did

It's ok

I even tried to compare with someone 

but I think its a bottleneck situation 

because when I stand in a position with 35FPS with ultra graphics and switch it to VERY LOW and still have the same FPS 

then something is off

dont get me wrong 

fps is improving with graphic decrease but in some places it's as low as the ULTRA settings

maybe something is under-performing?

[Kijlok25]

1 minute ago, LIGISTX said:

How did you test it? RAM can be very tricky to verify stability... And can cause very strange issues when it isn't stable. 

 

That is "low" resolution. So, yes, something seems off. Your system shouldn't have much issue running 1080p. The CPU is certainly a bit slow, but I wouldn't think it would be that slow....

 

The mobo VRM is the power delivery to the CPU. I wouldn't put a high core count CPU on an early Ryzen board. Thus why I wouldn't go any higher than a 3600x. The mobo VRM likely just isn't up to providing the power needed for higher end chips. But with that said, a 3600x is very close to the best performance you can get with AMD anyways, so its plenty fast for gaming. 

I can go to BIOS and tell you my Volts on my Ram and CPU if that helps

and about stability I don't have a program to check stability to be sure and I don't know if that can cause performance decrease

[Samfisher]

Really need more information.  What game, what clocks are you getting in game.  Without these information we are only guessing at what is the problem.

[Kijlok25]

Just now, Samfisher said:

Really need more information.  What game, what clocks are you getting in game.  Without these information we are only guessing at what is the problem.

Rise of the tomb raider for an example.

GTA V 

Minecraft

and so on

[Kijlok25]

guys every bit of information you need will be provided just let me understand what you need

about voltage I can give you via BIOS because I manually set the Voltage on Dram and CPU voltage

[LIGISTX]

2 minutes ago, Kijlok25 said:

I can go to BIOS and tell you my Volts on my Ram and CPU if that helps

and about stability I don't have a program to check stability to be sure and I don't know if that can cause performance decrease

Volts wont help... but if you never tested for stability, I almost guarantee that isn't stable......... Not being stable can 100% cause issues, especially with RAM that isn't stable.

 

For CPU stability testing, Asus real bench is a great choice (its decent for RAM stability checking as well). For RAM specifically, there are other applications we can link. But I would start with real bench... https://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/

[Samfisher]

5 minutes ago, Kijlok25 said:

Rise of the tomb raider for an example.

GTA V 

Minecraft

and so on

Install MSI Afterburner, set up OSD, monitor your clock speeds and temp.

[Kijlok25]

3 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Volts wont help... but if you never tested for stability, I almost guarantee that isn't stable......... Not being stable can 100% cause issues, especially with RAM that isn't stable.

 

For CPU stability testing, Asus real bench is a great choice (its decent for RAM stability checking as well). For RAM specifically, there are other applications we can link. But I would start with real bench... https://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/

I will download it right now and keep you posted

and btw if its  not stable can it make such a difference in performance? 

and also decreasing it to its default will also decrease my FPS because from 3200MHZ to 2400MHZ is a big difference

ESPECIALLY when it comes to AMD CPU's

[LIGISTX]

Basically, RAM not being stable can cause all sorta of near impossible to diagnose issues. CPU stability (or lack of stability) is usually easy to see, your PC typically crashes programs or just crashes all together, or locks up. Still, even if it doesn't do those thigns in games, it may not be stable in an actual stability test like realbench. But.... if it doesn't crash, its likely not "causing actual issues" like this. But RAM..... RAM can cause issues that are so hard to determine, you really need to be 110% sure its stable before we determine that is not your issue. Also, unstable RAM can cause corruption which isn't so great. If it was horribly unstable, you would likely know by know as things would be all sorts of jacked up, but either way, you really don't want RAM instability. Its seriously the hardest issue to track down, and can cause issues that don't even make sense.

[Kijlok25]

Just now, Samfisher said:

Install MSI Afterburner, set up OSD, monitor your clock speeds and temp.

temps are ok

everything is stable

I have a great CPU cooling and it comes to 80C MAX when it's on 100%