CPU Problems

[PlazR6]

My CPU (Ryzen 5 1600) is running anywhere from .8 GHZ to 1.5 GHZ when playing Rainbow Six Siege. I also see frame skipping in a lot of other games, including BO3 and Minecraft. This wouldn't make sense as I have paired it with a GTX 1080, and 16gb of DDR4 ram running at 3000mhz, 1.35 volts. My motherboard's CPU sensors are not helpful in the slightest, as it states on both HWINFO and Ryzen Master that the CPU is at 95.0 Celsius, but there was no thermal throttling. My CPU is not overclocked, either; at one point, HWINFO said that my CPU got as high as 100.6 Celsius, yet there still was no thermal throttling. My motherboard is an ASROCK B450M Pro4 Micro-ATX motherboard, and it thought that it could not handle anything above 1.35 DRAM volts, but when I ran my ram at 3200 MHZ at 1.35 volts, nothing negative happened to which I could see. I had to clock back my ram to 3000 as it was causing my game to crash. I am not loading an XMP profile. Could my motherboard be the culprit of my CPU underclocking?

[Moonzy]

4 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

as it states on both HWINFO and Ryzen Master that the CPU is at 95.0 Celsius, but there was no thermal throttling. My CPU is not overclocked, either; at one point, HWINFO said that my CPU got as high as 100.6 Celsius, yet there still was no thermal throttling.

there was definitely thermal throttling, hence why the low clock speeds

[Fasauceome]

11 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

as it states on both HWINFO and Ryzen Master that the CPU is at 95.0 Celsius, but there was no thermal throttling ... at one point, HWINFO said that my CPU got as high as 100.6 Celsius, yet there still was no thermal throttling.

 

I believe you might be experiencing some thermal throttling.

[PlazR6]

I have been having these same temps for the past few months, and the frame issue and underclock is recent. What changed?

[PlazR6]

It can't be my CPU overheating, I only feel cool air coming from the stock cooler, and my CPU is NOT running 95 celsius idle. I have reapplied thermal paste TWICE.

[Moonzy]

Just now, PlazR6 said:

I only feel cool air coming from the stock cooler

you see... that's the thing

 

your air should be warm if it's actually removing the heat from the CPU

[PlazR6]

So the stock cooler is just a piece of junk? I thought my tjmax for my CPU was 95 celsius, so it would shut down the entire system if it hit that temp, and despite my motherboard reporting temps higher than 95, nothing has shut down. It can still thermal throttle?

[PlazR6]

On top of that, my frames and frame skipping differed between different accounts of the same game; i.e, I would get 100 frames and frame skip on one account, and get 300 with no frame skipping on the other. The two accounts have no graphical differences.

[svmlegacy]

25 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

So the stock cooler is just a piece of junk? I thought my tjmax for my CPU was 95 celsius, so it would shut down the entire system if it hit that temp, and despite my motherboard reporting temps higher than 95, nothing has shut down. It can still thermal throttle?

Not sure where you're at OP, but it's summer where I am, which brings higher ambient temps. The stock cooler is fine. The cooler mounting, thermal paste, or application method is at fault here. And yes, it will thermal throttle at Tj max. It will shut down if it cannot throttle further and temps continue to climb.

[PlazR6]

What is the solution, then? I have reapplied thermal paste twice, both different ways. The second time, I applied a pea-sized dot and even smaller dots on the edges of the CPU, to ensure that it spreads correctly. Why is this only happening now? I have had the same temps ever since I reapplied thermal paste a second time, which was a couple weeks ago, and the performance drop has only started a couple days ago. Is it throttling more than before? And why isn't it showing up on HWINFO? There is no way that my CPU actually hit 100.6 celsius without shutting down, right?

[PlazR6]

The CPU cooler I am using is the standard Wraith cooler that comes with the 1600, and there is only one way to mount it.

[Moonzy]

16 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

What is the solution, then? I have reapplied thermal paste twice, both different ways. The second time, I applied a pea-sized dot and even smaller dots on the edges of the CPU, to ensure that it spreads correctly. Why is this only happening now? I have had the same temps ever since I reapplied thermal paste a second time, which was a couple weeks ago, and the performance drop has only started a couple days ago. Is it throttling more than before? And why isn't it showing up on HWINFO? There is no way that my CPU actually hit 100.6 celsius without shutting down, right?

remember to quote others when replying so they will see it

 

did u tighten the cooler enough?

 

33 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

On top of that, my frames and frame skipping differed between different accounts of the same game; i.e, I would get 100 frames and frame skip on one account, and get 300 with no frame skipping on the other. The two accounts have no graphical differences.

no idea about this, my speculation would be:

1) one of the account's cached information in the system is corrupted

2) the cpu wasnt hot enough when u ran the first one, and when u ran the 2nd one it was already pre-heat

 

56 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

So the stock cooler is just a piece of junk? I thought my tjmax for my CPU was 95 celsius, so it would shut down the entire system if it hit that temp, and despite my motherboard reporting temps higher than 95, nothing has shut down. It can still thermal throttle?

no it's not junk, something else is wrong with your system

the Tjmax is just a point where your cpu would start slowing down to preserve itself, it will only shut down when it's at its minimum clock and still raising temps

[KaitouX]

Take some photos of the base of the cooler and CPU to show the thermal paste spread and post it here, it will be a lot easier to tell if there is something wrong with that if we have photos.

[PlazR6]

12 hours ago, KaitouX said:

Take some photos of the base of the cooler and CPU to show the thermal paste spread and post it here, it will be a lot easier to tell if there is something wrong with that if we have photos.

I reapplied thermal paste a different way after I took off the cooler for this photo.

[PlazR6]

13 hours ago, Moonzy said:

remember to quote others when replying so they will see it

 

did u tighten the cooler enough?

 

no idea about this, my speculation would be:

1) one of the account's cached information in the system is corrupted

2) the cpu wasnt hot enough when u ran the first one, and when u ran the 2nd one it was already pre-heat

 

no it's not junk, something else is wrong with your system

the Tjmax is just a point where your cpu would start slowing down to preserve itself, it will only shut down when it's at its minimum clock and still raising temps

I tightened the cooler to the point that I could not wiggle it, and I already know that my motherboard is slightly messed up as it thinks it can only handle 1.3 volts, even though it is a 1.4 volt mb.

[Moonzy]

Just now, PlazR6 said:

I tightened the cooler to the point that I could not wiggle it

the screws should stop you from turning further than you should

it's probably not making adequate contact

[PlazR6]

15 hours ago, Moonzy said:

the screws should stop you from turning further than you should

it's probably not making adequate contact

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/how-tight-should-be-a-heatsink-mounted-to-cpu.345832/

I know its making contact because I checked the CPU cooler, it is spreading the thermal paste correctly. I tightened the screws to where the heatsink wouldn't move, I am being a bit overcautious with how tight I should tighten it. However, after reapplying thermal paste, I am feeling a bit warmer air blowing from the Wraith when I was running some menial games like Wizard101. Should I tighten the screws to the point that they won't go any farther?

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

Should I tighten the screws to the point that they won't go any farther?

yes, and by hand

3 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

I checked the CPU cooler, it is spreading the thermal paste correctly

it's almost impossible to see by eye if it's spread correctly because:

1) u cant tell the thinness by eye well

2) the paste gets rellocated when u remove the cooler anyways

3) u cant measure pressure by eye

[Fasauceome]

2 hours ago, PlazR6 said:

Should I tighten the screws to the point that they won't go any farther?

Yes, you will know when the cooler is fully installed when you meet some massive resistance in the screws. The force required to screw the cooler in will generally be quite consistent until it's all the way in 

[PlazR6]

21 hours ago, Moonzy said:

yes, and by hand

it's almost impossible to see by eye if it's spread correctly because:

1) u cant tell the thinness by eye well

2) the paste gets rellocated when u remove the cooler anyways

3) u cant measure pressure by eye

When I checked the cooler, the fan screws couldn't be tightened any more by hand, but I tightened it 3 more times for each screw with a screwdriver, for good measure.

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, PlazR6 said:

the fan screws couldn't be tightened any more by hand, but I tightened it 3 more times for each screw with a screwdriver, for good measure.

when i said by hand, i meant with a screw driver

 

i've had someone tighten it with a drill and... well... disaster happened

 

tighten it with a screw driver until it stops you, you'll feel the stop

[Mister Woof]

14 hours ago, PlazR6 said:

I reapplied thermal paste a different way after I took off the cooler for this photo.

Looks like you didn't apply enough force to secure the cooler.

 

Needs to be tight.

 

This explains cool air.