Second gaming PC build

[Okrap]

Budget (including currency): around 3000$ CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly gaming (World of Warcraft, Overwatch and upcoming game like Cyberpunk 2077) and some Photoshop.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($429.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($229.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($249.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($261.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($179.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card  ($1029.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: Corsair SF 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($219.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG248Q 23.8" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor  ($469.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $3219.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 06:29 EDT-0400

 

Anything I should change? Is this overkill?

 

Thank you!

 

[UpTheDons]

8 minutes ago, Okrap said:

Budget (including currency): around 3000$ CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly gaming (World of Warcraft, Overwatch and upcoming game like Cyberpunk 2077) and some Photoshop.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($429.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($229.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($249.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($261.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($179.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card  ($1029.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: Corsair SF 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($219.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG248Q 23.8" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor  ($469.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $3219.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 06:29 EDT-0400

 

Anything I should change? Is this overkill?

 

Thank you!

 

solid build i would save money and go the 16gb. Unless there is any reason why you need 32gb? in gaming there really is not a difference. 

[Mateyyy]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$428.50 @ Vuugo
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler	$122.73 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	ASRock X570 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$396.92 @ Amazon Canada
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	$115.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$184.99 @ Memory Express
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$1153.99 @ Newegg Canada
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$149.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply	EVGA SuperNOVA GA 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$159.99 @ Newegg Canada
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$569.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$3283.09
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 06:46 EDT-0400

 

I'd suggest waiting for the motherboard/PSU shortage to lessen, so you have more, better options for both of these components.

Also, waiting for Nvidia Ampere or AMD RDNA2 would also be ideal, since you'll be likely to be getting more for your money.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Mateyyy

[Okrap]

Just now, Ed-petit said:

solid build i would save money and go the 16gb. Unless there is any reason why you need 32gb? in gaming there really is not a difference. 

No particular reason was just thinking for future games like Cyberpunk.

 

Is 4x4 better than 2x8?

[UpTheDons]

5 minutes ago, Okrap said:

No particular reason was just thinking for future games like Cyberpunk.

 

Is 4x4 better than 2x8?

no 2x8 is better but you may want it because it looks nicer. up to you.

[Okrap]

3 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I'd suggest waiting for the motherboard/PSU shortage to lessen, so you have more, better options for both of these components.

Also, waiting for Nvidia Ampere or AMD RDNA2 would also be ideal, since you'll be likely to be getting more for your money.

Any idea when the motherboard/PSU shortage will lessen?

 

Is there any price or release date for the nVidia/AMD?

 

Thank you!

[Aereldor]

You're in 2080 Ti territory here. Also wait for the 10600k to come back in stock. 
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	$419.99
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme Rev.2 Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler	$49.99 @ Newegg Canada
Motherboard	Asus PRIME Z490M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$195.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$83.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	TCSunBow X3 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$92.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB TURBO Video Card	$1570.80 @ Vuugo
Case	Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$88.94 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	Antec NeoECO 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$97.99 @ Amazon Canada
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG279QM 27.0" 1920x1080 280 Hz Monitor	$529.99 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$3130.67
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 06:48 EDT-0400

[Okrap]

3 minutes ago, Ed-petit said:

no 2x8 is better but you may want it because it looks nicer. up to you.

Will I see the difference? x4 does look nicer but if x2 will make a good difference, I'll go with x2.

 

Thank you!

[UpTheDons]

5 minutes ago, Okrap said:

Will I see the difference? x4 does look nicer but if x2 will make a good difference, I'll go with x2.

 

Thank you!

up to you. i think there is not much difference. 

[Okrap]

2 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

You're in 2080 Ti territory here. 
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$428.50 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$119.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$83.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	TCSunBow X3 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$92.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB TURBO Video Card	$1570.80 @ Vuugo
Case	Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$88.94 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	Antec NeoECO 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$97.99 @ Amazon Canada
Monitor	MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor	$669.99 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$3153.19
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 06:45 EDT-0400

 

I get this warning: 

Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

 

Should I worry?

 

Thanks for your time!

[Okrap]

1 minute ago, Ed-petit said:

up to you. i think there is not much difference. 

All right, thank you very much for your input!

[UpTheDons]

4 minutes ago, Okrap said:

I get this warning: 

Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

 

Should I worry?

 

Thanks for your time!

no if it has ryzen 3000 ready on the box it is fine. 

[Aereldor]

Just now, Okrap said:

I get this warning: 

Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

 

Should I worry?

 

Thanks for your time!

I changed it to an Intel build because the 10600k is faster... And changed the monitor to a 280hz monitor. 
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	$419.99
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme Rev.2 Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler	$49.99 @ Newegg Canada
Motherboard	Asus PRIME Z490M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$195.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$83.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	TCSunBow X3 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$92.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB TURBO Video Card	$1570.80 @ Vuugo
Case	Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$88.94 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	Antec NeoECO 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$97.99 @ Amazon Canada
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG279QM 27.0" 1920x1080 280 Hz Monitor	$529.99 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$3130.67
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 06:50 EDT-0400

If you decide to go with AMD, at this point, the B450 motherboards haven't been on the shelves that long and will probably come with the BIOS updated. If not, you can always either return it, or take it to the store and ask them to update the BIOS for you - they do this for you at MicroCenter

[Mateyyy]

6 minutes ago, Okrap said:

Any idea when the motherboard/PSU shortage will lessen?

 

Is there any price or release date for the nVidia/AMD?

 

Thank you!

https://youtu.be/0whCHfejM18?t=768

Sometime this month we should be seeing the shortage lessen, probably in the next week or two.

 

Ampere and possibly RDNA2 should be coming late Q3/early Q4, if we're to go by all the rumours, leaks and track record particularly of Nvidia; no official prices as of yet though.

 

5 minutes ago, Okrap said:

Will I see the difference? x4 does look nicer but if x2 will make a good difference, I'll go with x2.

There won't be any performance difference to speak of, it's just that if you go with 4x4GB, you won't have the option to upgrade to 32GB by just throwing in another two 8GB sticks, so I'd suggest going with 2x8.

[Aereldor]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

Ampere and possibly RDNA2 should be coming late Q3/early Q4, if we're to go by all the rumours, leaks and track record particularly of Nvidia; no official prices as of yet though.

I thought that they were going to be announced at the end of September (computex or whatever they do instead if Computex gets Corona'd), and be released sometime around the holidays.

[Mateyyy]

4 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

I thought that they were going to be announced at the end of September (computex or whatever they do instead if Computex gets Corona'd), and be released sometime around the holidays.

From what I recall most leaks lead to believe that they'd be releasing in the Autumn. Turing for example originally launched in late September, if that's anything to go by.

Also some recent rumours regarding RDNA2 suggested that AMD's new cards would be coming out around the same time or before the launch of the next-gen consoles, so that'd again be in the Autumn.

But then again, none of this is actually officially confirmed, so there's no way to know for sure. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Okrap]

9 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

https://youtu.be/0whCHfejM18?t=768

Sometime this month we should be seeing the shortage lessen, probably in the next week or two.

 

Ampere and possibly RDNA2 should be coming late Q3/early Q4, if we're to go by all the rumours, leaks and track record particularly of Nvidia; no official prices as of yet though.

 

There won't be any performance difference to speak of, it's just that if you go with 4x4GB, you won't have the option to upgrade to 32GB by just throwing in another two 8GB sticks, so I'd suggest going with 2x8.

If I decide to wait for Ampere to release, are there any parts I should start buying (when on sale) or should I buy everything when it release in case of a new "technology" for a lack of better words?

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, Okrap said:

If I decide to wait for Ampere to release, are there any parts I should start buying (when on sale) or should I buy everything when it release in case of a new "technology" for a lack of better words?

Yeah I'd wait and buy everything at the same time tbh. In the meantime maybe you start doing something else that could warrant maybe a better CPU, or more RAM, or more storage, and as you also mentioned there could be new tech coming out too, like AMD's Zen 3 for example.

That being said, there probably won't be something new and revolutionary coming out for every category of PC components. For example, you could buy the case for example or the CPU cooler before you build the whole PC, especially if you find some sweet deals.

[Aereldor]

3 minutes ago, Okrap said:

If I decide to wait for Ampere to release, are there any parts I should start buying (when on sale) or should I buy everything when it release in case of a new "technology" for a lack of better words?

EIther buy it all now or wait till the new stuff is out. Prices for existing products get lower with time, even if they aren't replaced. The successor to the Ryzen 3600 isn't out yet, but it's gone from $200 at release to $160 now.

[Okrap]

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Yeah I'd wait and buy everything at the same time tbh. In the meantime maybe you start doing something else that could warrant maybe a better CPU, or more RAM, or more storage, and as you also mentioned there could be new tech coming out too, like AMD's Zen 3 for example.

That being said, there probably won't be something new and revolutionary coming out for every category of PC components. For example, you could buy the case for example or the CPU cooler before you build the whole PC, especially if you find some sweet deals.

 

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

EIther buy it all now or wait till the new stuff is out. Prices for existing products get lower with time, even if they aren't replaced. The successor to the Ryzen 3600 isn't out yet, but it's gone from $200 at release to $160 now.

 

All right, thanks to both of you for your help, I really appreciate it!

[Aereldor]

Just now, Okrap said:

 

 

All right, thanks to both of you for your help, I really appreciate it!

Also, I feel like this needs to be said, but you really shouldn't spend $3,000 on a gaming PC. That's a lot of money and there are diminishing returns for everything - experience, longevity etc. - at half that price. So unless you can afford to just throw $3,000 away, I strongly recommend picking a more budget-friendly configuration.

Especially given how much the technology is changing - 3 generations ago the top of the line Intel mainstream chip was a quad core. Now it has ten, and runs at 5.3 GHz. And NVidia's DLSS 2.0 and whatever AMD does is going to be revolutionary. Also the PS5 will force all these companies to step up performance and slash prices, because it's going to be absurdly powerful and will beat any PC at the same price by a LOOOONG shot.

[Okrap]

7 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Also, I feel like this needs to be said, but you really shouldn't spend $3,000 on a gaming PC. That's a lot of money and there are diminishing returns for everything - experience, longevity etc. - at half that price. So unless you can afford to just throw $3,000 away, I strongly recommend picking a more budget-friendly configuration.

Especially given how much the technology is changing - 3 generations ago the top of the line Intel mainstream chip was a quad core. Now it has ten, and runs at 5.3 GHz. And NVidia's DLSS 2.0 and whatever AMD does is going to be revolutionary. Also the PS5 will force all these companies to step up performance and slash prices, because it's going to be absurdly powerful and will beat any PC at the same price by a LOOOONG shot.

I'm not rich so 3000$ is a lot of money for me but I wanted to buy something that would last me a couple of years.

If a buy something more budget-friendly, would you recommend waiting for the new GPU or by something now and upgrade later?

[LukeSavenije]

31 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Power Supply Antec NeoECO 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $97.99 @ Amazon Canada

3000 cad and you manage to get this mediocre thing in... just please don't

 

I'll give my take here, with a couple things fixed

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	$350.00
CPU Cooler	RAIJINTEK EREBOSS BLACK 56.55 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler	$49.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z490 UD ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$200.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$83.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	TCSunBow X3 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$92.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB KO GAMING Video Card	$969.99 @ Newegg Canada
Case	Metallic Gear Neo Air ATX ATX Mid Tower Case	$99.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply	GAMDIAS KRATOS P1 G 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$99.99 @ Canada Computers
Monitor	Samsung LC27JG52QQNXZA 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor	$397.99 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2360.92
	Mail-in rebates	-$15.00
	Total	$2345.92
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 07:25 EDT-0400

better mobo, better cooler, same ram and SSD, bit worse, but significantly cheaper GPU, a leages better PSU, a screen that'll look a lot better to most people, due to the step between 144hz and 240hz being around 2ms, while a higher resolution panel with better viewing angles is quite a bit cheaper. a case with better airflow that isn't meant for a budget build and the 10600k according to MSRP pricing

[Okrap]

21 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

3000 cad and you manage to get this mediocre thing in... just please don't

 

I'll give my take here, with a couple things fixed

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	$350.00
CPU Cooler	RAIJINTEK EREBOSS BLACK 56.55 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler	$49.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z490 UD ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$200.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$83.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	TCSunBow X3 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$92.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB KO GAMING Video Card	$969.99 @ Newegg Canada
Case	Metallic Gear Neo Air ATX ATX Mid Tower Case	$99.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply	GAMDIAS KRATOS P1 G 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$99.99 @ Canada Computers
Monitor	Samsung LC27JG52QQNXZA 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor	$397.99 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2360.92
	Mail-in rebates	-$15.00
	Total	$2345.92
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-09 07:25 EDT-0400

better mobo, better cooler, same ram and SSD, bit worse, but significantly cheaper GPU, a leages better PSU, a screen that'll look a lot better to most people, due to the step between 144hz and 240hz being around 2ms, while a higher resolution panel with better viewing angles is quite a bit cheaper. a case with better airflow that isn't meant for a budget build and the 10600k according to MSRP pricing

Thank you for taking the time to make this build!

Do you think I should for the new GPU to release or should I buy something like your build and upgrade later?

 

 

[Aereldor]

34 minutes ago, Okrap said:

I'm not rich so 3000$ is a lot of money for me but I wanted to buy something that would last me a couple of years.

If a buy something more budget-friendly, would you recommend waiting for the new GPU or by something now and upgrade later?

RX 5700 xt. AMD's driver support is absurd... The RX 580 came out more than 3 years ago for $250 and competed with the $250 GTX 1060. Today, it beats the $250 1650 Super and competes with the $325 1660 Super.

There will hopefully be an RX 5800 xt and an RX 5950 xt

The $375 RX 5700 xt currently gives the $525 RTX 2070 Super a run for its money, as it's only 6% slower. Unless DLSS becomes mainstream.

For the CPU? Honestly, no better time to buy the Ryzen 3600, it's on sale pretty much everywhere. I'm having a hard time recommending the 3700x for pure gaming when the i5 10600k is just faster