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Cant decide between these 2 mobos pls help.

1-asus TUF B450M-PRO GAMING

2- msi b450m pro vdh max

asus got gud vrms but msi got more memory range.

shud i be even be concerned of memory since i wont be using ram of more than 3400mhz anyways.

p.s. i will lite oc my cpu

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9 minutes ago, omg said:

asus got gud vrms but msi got more memory range.

 

actually our tier list has the B450 Pro VDH as higher than the B450 TUF

Asus cheaps out on their power phases for B450 so that makes sense to me

 

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5 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

actually our tier list has the B450 Pro VDH as higher than the B450 TUF

TUF Plus yes, TUF Pro is rated the same as Pro VDH.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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20 minutes ago, omg said:

TUF B450M-PRO GAMING

2- msi b450m pro vdh max

asus got gud vrms but msi got more memory range.

shud i be even be concerned of memory since i wont be using ram of more than 3400mhz anyways.

p.s. i will lite oc my cpu

Both are good 

I personally would go tuf route

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You don’t need more VRM than you need and you don’t need more memory speed than you need.  You may run into walls if you try to increase them though.  It seems your board doesn’t have a lot of either.  It may have enough for you though.  I don’t suggest upgrading now, because it won’t help you now unless you want to upgrade one of the parts that matters.  You’re probably going to have to do it later though because you’re near the max capacity of your board.

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7 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

actually our tier list has the B450 Pro VDH as higher than the B450 TUF

Asus cheaps out on their power phases for B450 so that makes sense to me

 

Budget boards get budget VRMs. In fact MSI's VRMs aren't really that much "better" for say. Near same quality, same quantity.

With exception of "I" not "m" series where most manufacturers use x6 IR VRMs. 

 

Asus 4C10B vs Msi 4C029N - Not a great deal of difference here..... Both of these VRM setups are "cheap" 

 

 

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1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Budget boards get budget VRMs. In fact MSI's VRMs aren't really that much "better" for say. Near same quality, same quantity.

With exception of "I" not "m" series where most manufacturers use x6 IR VRMs. 

 

Asus 4C10B vs Msi 4C029N - Not a great deal of difference here..... Both of these VRM setups are "cheap" 

It's mostly countered by the worse heatsink on this MSI board. That's why the TUF Plus got kicked down further with its tiny heatsinks.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's mostly countered by the worse heatsink on this MSI board. That's why the TUF Plus got kicked down further with its tiny heatsinks.

From my vantage point, people say MSI VRMs are better. 

Nobody is saying the cooling is better. That's an issue of misinformation around here. 

 

It's like saying "Asus cheaps out on VRMs" when almost ALL B450 boards have cheap VRMs. Cooling pushed to the side there.

 

One major issue of this particular thread is we are suggesting boards for an unknown Cpu. If it's a 3000G, can run it on anything you want imo.

 

 

 

 

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Just now, omg said:

its ryzen 5 3400g

Both will do the job in this case 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

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Just now, omg said:

does vrm cooling matters if i use cpu aio??

What ?

Vrms are a completely different thing separate from the cpu 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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3 minutes ago, omg said:

its ryzen 5 3400g

Are you going to use the iGPU?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 minutes ago, omg said:

does vrm cooling matters if i use cpu aio??

Yes.  AIOs actually produce less cooling for the VRM than air coolers because vrms sit next to the cpu and generally get a bit of spare air movement from an air cooler.  Some AIOs actually have little fans on em to help alleviate this problem.  Yours may or may not.  

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

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