From Intel to AMD

[P3rfectLIVE]

Budget (including currency): Hoping to keep it at $1000 USD. 

Country: America, of course. 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Siege. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 1080p, maybe 1440p in the far future. 

Peripherals: 

• Acer KG241Q x3 
• g502 
• g910 
• g953
  • No need to upgrade anything here.  

 

Current Build: 

• i5 4500k
• 140mm AIO (40c max load)
• 16 GB DDR3
• GTX 1060 SSC
• 550 Watt 80+ Bronze PSU Non modular. 
• 5 TB of HDD 
• 1 TB of SSD  
• Some 2005 cyberpowerpc chassis. 
  • No point upgrading anything on this system, considering the i5 is on the LGA1151 socket and DDR3. 

Proposed Build:

• AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6Ghz ($167 - $200) 
  • https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600/p/N82E16819113569?Item=N82E16819113569
    • (I am hopping for this to be a build with a stable platform that I can build upon in the future. I am hopping to upgrade the CPU in the future, not the near future but a few years, which is why I am going with this solid CPU.) 
• ASUS TUF GAMING x570-PLUS (Has WiFi, so $190-$200) 
  • https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus/p/N82E16813119197?Item=N82E16813119197
• G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (3600Mhz and CAS 18 (which is alright i guess) for only $90?!) 
  • https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232917?Item=N82E16820232917
• MSI GeForce 1660 ti 6GB, (This is the fastest core clock I could find. $300)
  •  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1462386-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1660_ti.html
• PSU is a different story.
  • Since no one has one, I cannot really say which power supply I would get since its unknown the possible prices of them, and if the one I would choose would still be in my budget. 
• I don't need any new storage devices,
  • I would rather have a faster gaming and spend more money on more frames. I would move my 1 TB SSD to this PC, since it will only be used for gaming mostly. 

 

• • I don't need a new chassis for the new build.

Overall Total: 
$747  + (PSU is probably $150) = $900 - $950 range. 
This is a great budget, and doesn't push my build to the limit since I may need to purchase more fans or something of the sort down the line, since I will be running two PCs. 
I am hopping to use the PC I am building to game, and the PC I have had for the last 9 years to handle the 720p60 streaming. 
I am debating on if the 1606 ti is enough power to push 144 frames in siege, as I play competitively, I play at the lower settings and with my 1060 im not quite hitting that 144fps I would like too. 

What are your opinions on the hardware choices? Is it worth waiting for the b550 (Which will probably be how long it takes me to build this) to drop? Or is the x570 tuf a solid platform for PCIe 4.0 and the future? 
What are you reasonably priced recommendations for a PSU? 
1660 ti or 2060? I really prefer NVIDIA GPUs, but since I have freesync monitors and I am already going AMD CPU already, should I look at AMD GPUs?

Thanks for your feedback! 

 

Right now, this build is $880, with a $150 PSU. 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$167.00 @ Walmart
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	$92.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB GAMING X Video Card	$279.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$149.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$889.96
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$879.96
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-02 05:05 EDT-0400

 

[boggy77]

15 minutes ago, P3rfectLIVE said:

MSI GeForce 1660 ti 6GB, (This is the fastest core clock I could find. $300)

•  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1462386-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1660_ti.html

that's not how it works. a 5600xt or 5700 would perform much better, despite lower clock speed.

[Tan3l6]

...Maybe wait for Ryzen 3600XT and B550 MoBo...

[P3rfectLIVE]

13 hours ago, boggy77 said:

that's not how it works. a 5600xt or 5700 would perform much better, despite lower clock speed.

Well considering they are both DDR6 and clock speed is normally how we measure performance, what makes the 5600xt or 5700 perform better? Why is it a better choice than an NVIDIA card in the same price range? Do they last as long? Which one do you recommend for my budget? Why is that card better than the NVIDIA option? Are AMD GPUs stable when OC, and will I get more performance from said AMD GPU when OC'ing compared to NVIDIA GPU OC'ing? 
 

Is AMD's version of the very user-friendly NVIDIA control panel and GeForce Experience worth sacrificing the features you get from that software? 

If you we're going to recommend an NVIDIA GPU for my price range, which would you recommend? 

[P3rfectLIVE]

14 hours ago, Tan3l6 said:

...Maybe wait for Ryzen 3600XT and B550 MoBo...

Hello! 

Why? Is the rumored 200-300 hertz increase on the 3600XT worth the, currently, $75 price increase? ($167 for the 3600, rumored to be $250 for the 3600XT.)
The b550 won't undermine the x570, as it's supposed to be the budget version, but it may be arguably a better price per performance compared to the x570 like the b450 is now. 
But considering how cheap ("cheap") an x570 board is, what is the benefits of the b550 board as an idea? 

Thanks! 

[boggy77]

8 hours ago, P3rfectLIVE said:

Well considering they are both DDR6 and clock speed is normally how we measure performance, what makes the 5600xt or 5700 perform better? Why is it a better choice than an NVIDIA card in the same price range? Do they last as long? Which one do you recommend for my budget? Why is that card better than the NVIDIA option? Are AMD GPUs stable when OC, and will I get more performance from said AMD GPU when OC'ing compared to NVIDIA GPU OC'ing? 
 

Is AMD's version of the very user-friendly NVIDIA control panel and GeForce Experience worth sacrificing the features you get from that software? 

If you we're going to recommend an NVIDIA GPU for my price range, which would you recommend? 

because you have more than ggdr6 and clock speed to a gpu. there are number of cores and shaders and lots of other stuff to consider. generally, the current ranking in terms of performance is like this:

1660<1660 super<1660ti<5600xt=2060<2060 super<5700<2070<5700xt<2070 super<2080 super. for your budget, I'd aim for the 5700.

[Guest]

An 850W psu is major overkill. You don't need anything more than 550W.

 

Also if you are spending nearly $200 on an X570 board then you should be going for the MSI X570 Tomahawk. Due out anytime now.

[Tan3l6]

16 hours ago, P3rfectLIVE said:

Hello! 

Why? Is the rumored 200-300 hertz increase on the 3600XT worth the, currently, $75 price increase? ($167 for the 3600, rumored to be $250 for the 3600XT.)
The b550 won't undermine the x570, as it's supposed to be the budget version, but it may be arguably a better price per performance compared to the x570 like the b450 is now. 
But considering how cheap ("cheap") an x570 board is, what is the benefits of the b550 board as an idea? 

Thanks! 

_Yes!

[m0oble]

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$167.00 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus Radeon RX 5700 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card	$309.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$144.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$889.96
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-03 18:35 EDT-0400

 

14 hours ago, boggy77 said:

because you have more than ggdr6 and clock speed to a gpu. there are number of cores and shaders and lots of other stuff to consider. generally, the current ranking in terms of performance is like this:

1660<1660 super<1660ti<5600xt=2060<2060 super<5700<2070<5700xt<2070 super<2080 super. for your budget, I'd aim for the 5700.

5700xt and 2070 super are pretty much the same

[VEXICUS]

I would recommend something like this instead.. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($167.00 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Best Buy) Placeholder for b550 tomahawk.
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card  ($399.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $859.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-04 01:01 EDT-0400

[P3rfectLIVE]

22 hours ago, boggy77 said:

because you have more than ggdr6 and clock speed to a gpu. there are number of cores and shaders and lots of other stuff to consider. generally, the current ranking in terms of performance is like this:

1660<1660 super<1660ti<5600xt=2060<2060 super<5700<2070<5700xt<2070 super<2080 super. for your budget, I'd aim for the 5700.

Thank you for the clarification! I personally prefer NVIDIA, and I am finding some wiggle room for pushing a 2070 super. Considering I can get the rest of the computer for $500ish, I think I could push for this card, https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gv-n207swf3oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932213?Item=N82E16814932213 over the 5700xt, and considering I know a lot more about NVIDIA then AMD when it comes to GPUs, this may be the better choice for me. 

I was recommended this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087JQD8BS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=linus21-20 5700, and with some OC'ing and BIOS changes I could get it to a 5700XT performance wise, but considering It's only $60-$80 more for DLS and ray-tracing, I am leaning towards the 2070 super. 
BUT

3000 series are about to have a press conference in September (Or at-least rumored to have one), meaning that the 3000 series would drop near holiday season this year.

• I could probably save for the next six months and purchase a higher end GPU around January.
• I COULD technically build the system, Ryzen 5 3600 (Maybe XT), 16 gigs ddr4, and a b550 or x570 mobo. and continuing to use my GTX 1060 SSC and a new power supply, saving everything for a new GPU since the 3600 and zen3 compatible boards we're chosen to be something I could upgrade in 3 years and still stay on the newer stuff. 

Hard part is waiting for 7 months for a PC i've been saving up for since I bought a pre-built 7 years ago. Who knows my GPU budget at that time though. 

[P3rfectLIVE]

19 hours ago, lee32uk said:

An 850W psu is major overkill. You don't need anything more than 550W.

 

Also if you are spending nearly $200 on an X570 board then you should be going for the MSI X570 Tomahawk. Due out anytime now.

Hi!

The 850 watt PSU was only used as an average PSU cost, 150$ for a fully modular PSU with Gold + rating. What is a good way to learn what voltage is needed for a system? I'd love to learn that metric. 

Define anytime now, lol. 
 

Thanks for the feedback! 

[boggy77]

1 hour ago, P3rfectLIVE said:

Thank you for the clarification! I personally prefer NVIDIA, and I am finding some wiggle room for pushing a 2070 super. Considering I can get the rest of the computer for $500ish, I think I could push for this card, https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gv-n207swf3oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932213?Item=N82E16814932213 over the 5700xt, and considering I know a lot more about NVIDIA then AMD when it comes to GPUs, this may be the better choice for me. 

I was recommended this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087JQD8BS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=linus21-20 5700, and with some OC'ing and BIOS changes I could get it to a 5700XT performance wise, but considering It's only $60-$80 more for DLS and ray-tracing, I am leaning towards the 2070 super. 
BUT

3000 series are about to have a press conference in September (Or at-least rumored to have one), meaning that the 3000 series would drop near holiday season this year.

• I could probably save for the next six months and purchase a higher end GPU around January.
• I COULD technically build the system, Ryzen 5 3600 (Maybe XT), 16 gigs ddr4, and a b550 or x570 mobo. and continuing to use my GTX 1060 SSC and a new power supply, saving everything for a new GPU since the 3600 and zen3 compatible boards we're chosen to be something I could upgrade in 3 years and still stay on the newer stuff. 

Hard part is waiting for 7 months for a PC i've been saving up for since I bought a pre-built 7 years ago. Who knows my GPU budget at that time though. 

it's up to you whether you can wait or not for the new release. the new release will have drastically better ray tracing performance, but apart from that, I'm not sure at the 3060-3070 level it will be a game changer. what I mean is, the expectation is that the 3060 will perform like a 2070 super and the 3070 like a 2080 super or something like that. sure, it's a big increase in performance and it's only a few months away, so in theory it's worth waiting for. you could  also hunt for  a deal or try a second hand card for a few months until the 3000 series release. this way you lose less money.

 

as for psu, the main items are cpu and gpu.

a ryzen 5 can go up to 100W, a ryzen 7 to 125W and a ryzen 9 to 150W (200 if you overclock like crazy) - these are just approximate values, I'm sure someone will jump in to correct me with the more accurate ones.

for gpu, a 2070 super would use max 235W, while a 2080 super 255W. usually new releases try to be more efficient, so I don't expect the 3070 to use more than 220W.

the rest of the system draws an extra 50-100W.

So in total you'd be looking at 150+250+100 = 500W. a good quality psu that is 550W would be enough for your system and (almost) any future upgrade. Take a look in the psu tier list in my signature and pick something from tier A or B+.

[m0oble]

19 hours ago, P3rfectLIVE said:

Thank you for the clarification! I personally prefer NVIDIA, and I am finding some wiggle room for pushing a 2070 super. Considering I can get the rest of the computer for $500ish, I think I could push for this card, https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gv-n207swf3oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932213?Item=N82E16814932213 over the 5700xt, and considering I know a lot more about NVIDIA then AMD when it comes to GPUs, this may be the better choice for me. 

I was recommended this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087JQD8BS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=linus21-20 5700, and with some OC'ing and BIOS changes I could get it to a 5700XT performance wise, but considering It's only $60-$80 more for DLS and ray-tracing, I am leaning towards the 2070 super. 
BUT

3000 series are about to have a press conference in September (Or at-least rumored to have one), meaning that the 3000 series would drop near holiday season this year.

• I could probably save for the next six months and purchase a higher end GPU around January.
• I COULD technically build the system, Ryzen 5 3600 (Maybe XT), 16 gigs ddr4, and a b550 or x570 mobo. and continuing to use my GTX 1060 SSC and a new power supply, saving everything for a new GPU since the 3600 and zen3 compatible boards we're chosen to be something I could upgrade in 3 years and still stay on the newer stuff. 

Hard part is waiting for 7 months for a PC i've been saving up for since I bought a pre-built 7 years ago. Who knows my GPU budget at that time though. 

believe me raytracing is not worth a hundred bucks more just save your money and spend it on cpu or ram depending on if you edit

[P3rfectLIVE]

1 hour ago, m0oble said:

believe me raytracing is not worth a hundred bucks more just save your money and spend it on cpu or ram depending on if you edit

Considering that most of my use from this PC will be to play collegiate r6, ray tracing isn't necessarily what i'm banking on, which brings me the question of should I bite the bullet and use an AMD GPU. 

I'm thinking of buying a 5700 and using it on my current build and seeing if I like it or not, Im not sure if its a BM to use a GPU and if you don't like it return it (I guess RMA it.?) . I'll have to decide on that later. the performance should shine above my 1060 SSC if the 5700(xt) is as good as everyone says it is.