help with my upgrade

[dreamcast4599]

i currently have an asus CH7 a coolermaster 360mm aio 16gb of 3000 mhz ram and a ryzen 1600AF im looking to upgrade my cpu to either a 3800X or a 3900X to pair with my sapphire pulse 5700 what cpu should i get and why also please dont tell me a 12 core cpu isnt good for gaming i just want help choosing a cpu i play gta 5 doom eternal and a few other games including AC:odyssey looking for a constant 60FPS+ so what cpu would be good budget is 500+600

[Jurrunio]

10 minutes ago, dreamcast4599 said:

also please dont tell me a 12 core cpu isnt good for gaming i just want help choosing a cpu

if you know this already, then the 3700x is clearly the best choice (since 3800x is just a slightly better at stock version of it).

[jaslion]

11 minutes ago, dreamcast4599 said:

i currently have an asus CH7 a coolermaster 360mm aio 16gb of 3000 mhz ram and a ryzen 1600AF im looking to upgrade my cpu to either a 3800X or a 3900X to pair with my sapphire pulse 5700 what cpu should i get and why also please dont tell me a 12 core cpu isnt good for gaming i just want help choosing a cpu i play gta 5 doom eternal and a few other games including AC:odyssey looking for a constant 60FPS+ so what cpu would be good budget is 500+600

A 3700,3700x or 3800x is fine. A 3900x is pointless for gaming as well not all cores will be used so it will just perform the exact same as the other 8 core ryzens.

[toasty99]

A 1600AF would be great for your use case! 

 

 

Seriously, if you only want to get 60fps getting a better CPU won't help much. A better CPU helps when you are trying to push a 120hz monitor. 

 

 

[dreamcast4599]

8 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

Agreed as well. OP, you should get a new GPU instead

my 5700 handles 1080p just fine

[Armen]

38 minutes ago, dreamcast4599 said:

i currently have an asus CH7 a coolermaster 360mm aio 16gb of 3000 mhz ram and a ryzen 1600AF im looking to upgrade my cpu to either a 3800X or a 3900X to pair with my sapphire pulse 5700 what cpu should i get and why also please dont tell me a 12 core cpu isnt good for gaming i just want help choosing a cpu i play gta 5 doom eternal and a few other games including AC:odyssey looking for a constant 60FPS+ so what cpu would be good budget is 500+600

8 Intel cores is enough 

 

39 minutes ago, dreamcast4599 said:

i currently have an asus CH7 a coolermaster 360mm aio 16gb of 3000 mhz ram and a ryzen 1600AF im looking to upgrade my cpu to either a 3800X or a 3900X to pair with my sapphire pulse 5700 what cpu should i get and why also please dont tell me a 12 core cpu isnt good for gaming i just want help choosing a cpu i play gta 5 doom eternal and a few other games including AC:odyssey looking for a constant 60FPS+ so what cpu would be good budget is 500+600

Yes I like the latter of what you said.  Grab the 3900x to be totally future proof.  If you render all day or need it then 3950x ... But ya I think you will be good with 3900x those 4 extra cores as gonna make you future proof as well  But honestly for a 5700 all you need is a 3700 or even 2700x ..... and theres the 9900k which would easily be the most powerful then the others.

[toasty99]

Just now, NZgamer said:

True. What FPS are you currently getting, I don't really see the point in an upgrade here

Yeah if we are discussing potential upgrades for 1080p 60fps it's entirely pointless to upgrade anything. 

 

Nothing you do will improve performance today. Take the money you are considering spending now and put it in a rainy day fund.

[Armen]

2060 = 1080p video card.  It will be 60fps locked.

[Armen]

Just now, NZgamer said:

He has a Ryzen motherboard. He would have to buy a whole new motherboard and CPU to go to Intel. AMD has far better value, too.

He really doesn't need a 3900X for 1080p@60Hz. His current build is fine, especially for the games he said he wanted to play.

Ya my bad sorry lol,  I would get the 3600 or 3700 ...

[Armen]

1 minute ago, NZgamer said:

I wouldn't even bother with an upgrade, the 1600AF is still an excellent CPU and it's fine for what he says he's going to do

Yes if all he wants is a solid 60fps AMD 5700 or a 2060.  

[Armen]

Just now, NZgamer said:

Yeah he already has a 5700 so there's no problem there

Your 3200G is much faster then the CPU he has now.  Its cheap, me personally would get a 2700x if you want performance plus the best bang for buck CPU around.  But ya for your new system 3200g, or am I going overboard with that NZgamer ? 

[dreamcast4599]

16 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

True. What FPS are you currently getting, I don't really see the point in an upgrade here

@NZgamer with AC:odyssey maxed out i get an average 40-50 fps in the benchmark with mixed settings i hover around 60

[dreamcast4599]

3 hours ago, NZgamer said:

Yeah it would be a bit of a waste og money to upgrade....

@NZgamer if assassins creed odyssey at medium low settings only nets me 50fps average and medium or high gives me less then that then why shouldnt i upgrade 

[toasty99]

1 hour ago, dreamcast4599 said:

@NZgamer if assassins creed odyssey at medium low settings only nets me 50fps average and medium or high gives me less then that then why shouldnt i upgrade 

You shouldn't upgrade because it's stupid. Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a piece of shit game. Ubisoft doesn't optimize games for PC well at all, and the Assassin's Creed games have always been horrible. PCgamer tested Odyssey performance with multiple GPUs at 1080p ultra when it came out (no 5700 but don't worry, doesn't matter). They are using an i9 9900k! You see that? A 9900k!!!! The best CPU for gaming on the market. The RTX 2080ti, a $1000 GPU is getting destroyed in this benchmark at 1080p. 86 FPS average and 62 FPS 3% low. That's with $1500 in the CPU and GPU alone. 

https://www.pcgamer.com/performance-guide-what-you-need-for-60fps-in-assassins-creed-odyssey/

 

 

The reality of it is any a Ryzen 1600AF is able to hold 60FPS in any NORMAL game that is optimized if the GPU doesn't bottleneck it. Doesn't matter if it's 1080p, 1440p, or 4k. Due to this, unless you are playing at 120fps it's pointless to upgrade. 

 

You have to understand, game developers are back to getting lazy and stupid. Skyrim (with mods in the original 32bit version) at 4k looked as good as a modern game, was a buggy mess, but it did run on GPUs like the GTX 780ti with CPUs like the I5 2500k. Meanwhile, Call of Duty Warzone won't even get 60FPS at 1080p low settings with a GTX 780ti due to the textures it uses being so massive. 

 

Skyrim (the original version) was a 6gb game (the remastered version is 22gb and really doesn't look any better but is more stable with mods due to 64bit allowing more than 4gb of ram). Most games today are 50gb or more. It's just game developers disregarding optimization. 

[toasty99]

1 hour ago, NZgamer said:

I think my CPU and his are quite similar, but if course I have less cores but mine have a higher base clock

The 3200g is a significantly worse CPU than a 1600AF once you factor in overclocking. 

 

The 3200g is a 4 core 4 thread CPU based off the 12nm process. 

 

The 1600AF is a 6 core 12 thread CPU based off the 12nm process (AF model is 12nm, the original was 14nm). 

 

They are built on identical processes and therefore have identical IPC and performance at the same clockspeeds. The 3200g does have a baseclock of 3.6 ghz and a turbo of 4ghz while the 1600AF is only 3.2 ghz base and 3.6 ghz turbo. 

 

However, both overclock *relatively* the same. Yes, binning may favor the 3200g but won't make a huge difference. Running a 1600AF at 4.0ghz vs a 4.1 ghz 3200g the 1600AF will still be a better CPU.

 

The 1600AF is really a stupid cheap value CPU. It could be and should be $120 considering it's performance. AMD selling it at $85 offers an excellent value. Nothing below a Ryzen 3600 which is double the price can beat it's performance once overclocked.  

[toasty99]

2 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

Correction, the 3200G is only 4 core, 4 thread, not 8 thread.

Fixed whoops. Forgot those even exist in 2020 and anyone would buy them. Except for small form factor PCs.