building my first pc :-(

[Dave the Mechanic]

Hi guys and gals

 i am finally taking the plunge and i'm going to build my first PC (gaming at that ) 

but i'm unsure about compatibility so i'm looking at CPU /motherboard bundles 

i found this bundle on an eBay shop

 

   just wanted to make sure i'm making the right decision before i part with mt Euros

many thanks in advance for any help 

 Dave 

 

[Daniel Z.]

Don't get bundles. If you tell me the budget and which country you're in then I can make a good part list

[Meganter]

Hello,

 

This is the WORST x570 motherboard around so DO NOT get it.

 

Get a Tomahawk Max instead.

[Fasauceome]

looks like a bad deal

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	€289.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	€196.89 @ Alternate
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	€104.99 @ ARLT
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€590.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-09 19:14 CEST+0200

try this

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	€289.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€119.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	€79.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€488.89
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-09 19:23 CEST+0200

 

[boggy77]

it's a bad deal and a bad motherboard.

[Firewrath9]

3 minutes ago, Meganter said:

Hello,

 

This is the WORST x570 motherboard around so DO NOT get it.

 

Get a Tomahawk Max instead.

eh, the X570-A pro is worse, same VRM, smaller heatsink

and the tomahawk has a worse VRM, its just that the tomahawk is cheaper.

[Mateyyy]

Looks like a bad deal considering the MSRPs for the respective products (from the top of my head), also the motherboard's bad and you should probably get faster RAM.

[Meganter]

2 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

eh, the X570-A pro is worse, same VRM, smaller heatsink

and the tomahawk has a worse VRM, its just that the tomahawk is cheaper.

The B450 Tomahawk is better than half of their x570 line up.

[Firewrath9]

10 minutes ago, Meganter said:

The B450 Tomahawk is better than half of their x570 line up.

Why? in terms of price:performance, yes.

But the actual VRM config is worse.

Tomahawk uses a pair of 4C029Ns and a pair 4C024N for each phase, and has 4 phases.

The X570 Gaming Plus/-A Pro has 4x2 = 8 phases with half the mosfets per phase

The X570 Gaming Plus and the -A Pro have bigger heatsinks.

Yes, they are still bad value for money, but no, the VRMs are not worse. The 8 phases vs 4 double size (2x components) results in the 8 phases having better transient response.

The X570 Edge has the same VRM, but a worse heatsink than the Plus.

 

[Meganter]

2 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

 

 

Tomahawk Max is perfectly fine.

[Firewrath9]

9 minutes ago, Meganter said:

-snip-

Hmm.

3900X OC consumes almost 2x the power of a 2700X.

at 4.25ghz, which is a lower freq (and probably lower voltage) than the 4.3ghz, the 3900X consumes a delta from idle of ~240W (from 72 - 313), so the power consumption is ~250W. Not to mention the idle power draw is also 20W higher than the 2700X so its probably more like 260-270W.

The 2700X has a load delta of ~145 (from 52-198), so the power consumption is probably ~160-ish.

Comparing a motherboard with 250W-280W (or possible more) draw to another with ~150-160W is not a fair comparison, just cherry-picking things doesn't help your arguement at all. 

 

Also, not saying the Tomahawk is bad, just that the Gaming Plus isn't any worse, and is in fact better.

Also I disagree with that tier list, so idk what the point of linking that is.

[Meganter]

47 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

 

Fine whatever, MSI x570 lower end are garbage that's a fact. Everyone above me said so, the reviews said so. 

 

If you want a good x570 go for the Asus Prime P, it's way better.

 

The tier list is a good starting point for people with no or bad knowledge in motherboard.

 

Also the video say it's perfectly fine to use it so still my point stand. Especially since the 3700x draw less power than the 2700x.