Upgrade from 1060

[Mister Woof]

Just now, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

Its roughly the same pricewise as this XFX one https://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-Radeon-5700XT-RAW-Ultra/dp/B07YG5VGTC/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=rx+5700+xt&qid=1585860695&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A206ULAR6UT9T8&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExVUpJWU80Q0dJNSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRJZD1BMDgwMDA4MDFRT05SRUhGRDdCRFMmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDcwMDQ3OTFVVkRaRFdIOFBPNVMmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

 

and this msi one 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-RADEON-5700-MECH-DisplayPort/dp/B07W86V757/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=rx+5700+xt&qid=1585860695&sr=8-9

 

Should i just go for preference or is the red dragon xt superiror

The pulse one is slightly out of my budget

 

ah, UK. sorry, i missed that. I don't know what your prices are, but i would not pay more than 10-15% more for a high end card over the cheapest ones, since outside of thermals/noise, they largely will perform the same minus completely failed designs.

[5x5]

1 minute ago, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

Its roughly the same pricewise as this XFX one https://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-Radeon-5700XT-RAW-Ultra/dp/B07YG5VGTC/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=rx+5700+xt&qid=1585860695&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A206ULAR6UT9T8&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExVUpJWU80Q0dJNSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRJZD1BMDgwMDA4MDFRT05SRUhGRDdCRFMmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDcwMDQ3OTFVVkRaRFdIOFBPNVMmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

 

and this msi one 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-RADEON-5700-MECH-DisplayPort/dp/B07W86V757/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=rx+5700+xt&qid=1585860695&sr=8-9

 

Should i just go for preference or is the red dragon xt superiror

The pulse one is slightly out of my budget

If you can, stretch to the Pulse - it's among the best 5700 XT coolers

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

The Red Dragon is FAR superior - the MECH from MSI is utter garbage and overheats the memory. The cooler on the XFX model is too small and overheats as well.

The XFX is fine with a very aggressive fan profile. Hotspot and memory temps are definitely manageable. But its LOUD!

 

Like I said I would have got the Pulse for the extra $30 if i could go back in time.

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, 5x5 said:

The Red Dragon is FAR superior - the MECH from MSI is utter garbage and overheats the memory. The cooler on the XFX model is too small and overheats as well.

Would my 500W PSU be sufficient?

 

[5x5]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

XFX is fine with a very aggressive fan profile. Hotspot and memory temps are definitely manageable. But its LOUD!

Exactly -  the Red Dragon is rather quiet and MUCH easier on the ears

[5x5]

Just now, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

Would my 500W PSU be sufficient?

 

Depends on the model - a quality 400W unit can handle it. A garbage 1000W unit cannot

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Exactly -  the Red Dragon is rather quiet and MUCH easier on the ears

I agree, but it can be really tough to justify for pricing. 

 

$369 RAW II vs $409 Red Dragon vs. $439 Red Devil vs. $462 for the Nitro+.

 

$30 bump for the $399 Pulse is worth it at only 8% price increase, and $11% for the Red Dragon. 25% bump for something like a Nitro+ is a bit confusing.

 

Personally for me, any of the GPUs in the mid-$400 range I would rather just get a 2070 Super.

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, 5x5 said:

Depends on the model - a quality 400W unit can handle it. A garbage 1000W unit cannot

Its a Corsair 500w, 80+ bronze im pretty sure, cant remember the model

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

I agree, but it can be really tough to justify for pricing. 

 

$369 RAW II vs $409 Red Dragon vs. $439 Red Devil vs. $462 for the Nitro+

 

Personally for me, any of the GPUs in the mid-$400 range I would rather just get a 2070 Super.

The red dragon is the same same price on amazon as the msi and xfx onw

[5x5]

Just now, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

Its a Corsair 500w, 80+ bronze im pretty sure, cant remember the model

if it's a green or orange CX/VS model - repalce it. If it's a grey model - it's fine. If you're worried, a newer CX550 Grey (2017) is what I'd get. It's affordable

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

The red dragon is the same same price on amazon as the msi and xfx onw

 

Red Dragon it is then. I enjoy my 5700 XT for sure, great performance.

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

 

Red Dragon it is then. I enjoy my 5700 XT for sure, great performance.

What do i compare it to against nvidia cards, is it similar to a 2070

[5x5]

Just now, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

What do i compare it to against nvidia cards, is it similar to a 2070

2070 Super/2080 are about 2% ahead of the 5700XT. The 2070 is a good 10% behind it

[Mister Woof]

2070 Super also has NVENC and RTX, so you're also getting some good features if those matter to you.

 

For $40 more compared to the high-end 5700 XT models, I think it's worth it for a "maybe use". For $100 more than the low-end 5700 XTs, not at all unless you know for sure you need those features.

[5x5]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

2070 Super also has NVENC and RTX, so you're also getting some good features if those matter to you.

 

For $50 more compared to the high-end 5700 XT models, I think it's worth it.

RTX is still in infant stages - not exactly going to last on the 2000 series. RTX 3000 models will likely have 2-3x better Ray Tracing Performance - that's where it's at. As for NVENC - that's a good feature for streamers. Won't matter for anyone else tho.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, 5x5 said:

RTX is still in infant stages - not exactly going to last on the 2000 series. RTX 3000 models will likely have 2-3x better Ray Tracing Performance - that's where it's at. As for NVENC - that's a good feature for streamers. Won't matter for anyone else tho.

edited my response for clarity and accuracy - ($465 Nitro+ vs $499 basic 2070 Super ~$40ish)

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, 5x5 said:

RTX is still in infant stages - not exactly going to last on the 2000 series. RTX 3000 models will likely have 2-3x better Ray Tracing Performance - that's where it's at. As for NVENC - that's a good feature for streamers. Won't matter for anyone else tho.

 

Just now, Mister Woof said:

2070 Super also has NVENC and RTX, so you're also getting some good features if those matter to you.

 

For $40 more compared to the high-end 5700 XT models, I think it's worth it for a "maybe use". For $100 more than the low-end 5700 XTs, not at all unless you know for sure you need those features.

I use my pc for some occasional streaming etc so nvenc is a +, and i use shadowplay a lot to record past gameplay

Should i look into 2070s if i wanna keep those features and get the same performance as a 5700xt?

[5x5]

Just now, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

 

I use my pc for some occasional streaming etc so nvenc is a +, and i use shadowplay a lot to record past gameplay

Should i look into 2070s if i wanna keep those features and get the same performance as a 5700xt?

Not really - you're looking at 100-150 GBP more for a decent 2070S. The 5700XT can also stream and record gameplay perfectly fine with the ReLive software or OBS (arguably the best software suite for streaming and recording. I personally prefer OBS over Shadowplay since I get less corruption)

[5x5]

1 minute ago, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

 

I use my pc for some occasional streaming etc so nvenc is a +, and i use shadowplay a lot to record past gameplay

Should i look into 2070s if i wanna keep those features and get the same performance as a 5700xt?

NVENC is only a reason to pay more if streaming is your job. Not a hobby.

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, 5x5 said:

Not really - you're looking at 100-150 GBP more for a decent 2070S. The 5700XT can also stream and record gameplay perfectly fine with the ReLive software or OBS (arguably the best software suite for streaming and recording. I personally prefer OBS over Shadowplay since I get less corruption)

i use obs, shadowplay is just to get clips sincei get get my last 2 mins or so of gameplay

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, 5x5 said:

NVENC is only a reason to pay more if streaming is your job. Not a hobby.

So if i were to get a 5700xt i would have to use x264, or would i still be able to use nvenc at all

[5x5]

Just now, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

i use obs, shadowplay is just to get clips sincei get get my last 2 mins or so of gameplay

It's been a year or two since I last used the ReLive Drivers for AMD but I recall a similar feature being there. OBS also has such a setting IIRC. In any case, paying 100 GBP more for shadowpaly ain't worth it since you're just paying money for something plenty of software packages have.

[5x5]

Just now, LokiiNeedsHelp said:

So if i were to get a 5700xt i would have to use x264, or would i still be able to use nvenc at all

You'll be using x264, x265, whatever your heart desires. NVENC is not magic. It's efficient and good but it's not world-shattering. IF it were, the 2000 series would be selling like hot cakes

[LokiiNeedsHelp]

Just now, 5x5 said:

You'll be using x264, x265, whatever your heart desires. NVENC is not magic. It's efficient and good but it's not world-shattering. IF it were, the 2000 series would be selling like hot cakes

I should be doing fine then with a  ryzen 5 3600 and an rx5700xt

Thank you for your help, i think ill settle on the red dragon card

[Mister Woof]

If you are just recording gameplay, ReLive is perfectly fine. I use it to record my raid videos to see where exactly i fucked up