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Hello,

i'm planning to upgrade my work/game station that i'm using for programming and game developing (Unity and Unreal Engine) and i have encounter a wall. Should i buy AMD 3950x or i9-9900k or maybe wait with my old rig for new proccessors that should be shown in 0,5 year. New AMD series of CPU most likly won't be using AM4 socket and knowing Intel they will be pulling off some cheap trick again. Any help would be nice.

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3900x or 3950 should do well for you. but some of this comes down to workload.

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I'd just wait.

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14 minutes ago, Trupacz said:

Hello,

i'm planning to upgrade my work/game station that i'm using for programming and game developing (Unity and Unreal Engine) and i have encounter a wall. Should i buy AMD 3950x or i9-9900k or maybe wait with my old rig for new proccessors that should be shown in 0,5 year. New AMD series of CPU most likly won't be using AM4 socket and knowing Intel they will be pulling off some cheap trick again. Any help would be nice.

I'd say if you need one immediately get the 3650x but if you wanna wait there hasn't been much news about zen 3 but comet lake or what ever they will end up calling it is looking promising somid say wait if you are not in a hurry that is 

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Depends on what you have right now

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3 minutes ago, Trupacz said:

i7-7700k but i think it's faulty cuz @ idle it have 70 C on all cores on stock clock. Waiting for new Cooler to check if it is not it fault if not i will delid it and use LM on it.

No pretty sure it's not 

Stock cooler is shit and you probably have mce on which results in a way higher voltage 

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1 hour ago, Trupacz said:

Hello,

i'm planning to upgrade my work/game station that i'm using for programming and game developing (Unity and Unreal Engine) and i have encounter a wall. Should i buy AMD 3950x or i9-9900k or maybe wait with my old rig for new proccessors that should be shown in 0,5 year. New AMD series of CPU most likly won't be using AM4 socket and knowing Intel they will be pulling off some cheap trick again. Any help would be nice.

Actually the general consensus is that the new gen of Ryzen processors will still work on AM4 (Zen 2+). Zen 3 is what we're really not sure about because AMD stated that they'd support the AM4 platform until 2020 and Zen 3 is slated for release in 2021.

50 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

I'd say if you need one immediately get the 3650x but if you wanna wait there hasn't been much news about zen 3 but comet lake or what ever they will end up calling it is looking promising somid say wait if you are not in a hurry that is 

It's the same architecture and process node as the last iterations. Intel having nothing new this year yet again as far as I've heard.

 

If you're looking at programming and software development then it comes down to a) what system you currently have (like @Jurrunio said) and whether what's on offer today will be a satisfactory improvement in performance over what you currently have. And b) what your budget is. I'm not too familiar with Unity and Unreal Engine and whether that is dependent on frequency or core count but I would assume a 3900X or 3950X (if your budget can stretch it) would be a huge performance improvement in those software over what the 7700k can offer. Someone more familiar with those software can answer this better than I can.

 

You can always go absolute overkill with a threadripper system like a 3960X or 3970X but the budget to afford that platform is huge in comparison.

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10 minutes ago, Trupacz said:

@Triboal Well i know i don't have budget for Threadripper but my biggest question is, should i wait for next AMD Generation or it's just doesn't have sense because power increase will be just too small compare to prev gen.

Really can't tell you because there hasn't been many leaks about zen3 my suggestion is wait for zen 3. And if it wasn't promising you'll be able to get the 3950x at a much lower price 

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The quintessential problems with "should I wait?"

 

1-Should I wait? - Yes, the next gen will be so much better.

2-Should I buy the new product on launch?  No, there is always problems at launch, you should wait until the bugs are fixed.

3-Bugs are fixed, should I buy it now?  No, next gen is coming out in a few months, you should wait for that. 

 

IMO, if you have the need to upgrade now, and the budget to do so, then upgrade now.  Right now, AMD is kind of ruling the roost, so to speak.  Currently, the 3900x is the best value on the market for an all around CPU that is great for gaming and multi threaded work loads. 12 cores, 24 threads, it'll do the trick for a vast majority of people.  If you need more threads, and have the cash, then a the 3950x is great option.  16 core, 32 thread.  

 

I think the 9900K is still considered the best for gaming specific builds but with only 8 cores (8 very fast cores) and 16 threads, it's not as competitive in multi threaded work loads as the 3900x and certainly not the 3950x.   

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3 hours ago, Trupacz said:

@Triboal Well i know i don't have budget for Threadripper but my biggest question is, should i wait for next AMD Generation or it's just doesn't have sense because power increase will be just too small compare to prev gen.

If Ryzen's track record is going to stay as is, then 4th gen wont be bringing anything major and there's no need to wait. 

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Whan i bought this rig it was already build and temps were ok but i gues i can blame only myself for not checking if everything is ok with cooling. Cooler was bend and thermal paste was done. Probably picture don't show this but there was almost 3mm gap between ihs and cooler on one side. Now with new Cooler and thermal paste i have 40C diffrence.

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6 hours ago, Trupacz said:

Cooler was bend

this is an intentional design to maintain the big heatsink while keeping the front fan away from the memory slot, helping with memory compatibility.

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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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