getting 5820k andi it's OC over current E5-2640 V3,worth it?

[frozensun]

Since I own this Xeon,it's single core speed it's quite low,so I am thinking about buying 5820k,because I'd mostly use that PC for gaming..

But I don't know how far that CPU can OC...

Guy won't sell it separetly,instead he is selling cpu+mobo+cpu cooler for 250 euros.

I can type the components if you want guys.

Worth investment over my Xeon?

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, frozensun said:

Since I own this Xeon,it's single core speed it's quite low,so I am thinking about buying 5820k,because I'd mostly use that PC for gaming..

But I don't know how far that CPU can OC...

Guy won't sell it separetly,instead he is selling cpu+mobo+cpu cooler for 260 euros.

I can type the components if you want guys.

Worth investment over my Xeon?

For that money you can get a new ryzen based system with the same or better performance depending on you choices.

[frozensun]

6 minutes ago, jaslion said:

For that money you can get a new ryzen based system with the same or better performance depending on you choices.

I guess you were right,for that money could get 2600x+B450 board...although that 2600x wouldn't clock to over 4 GHz like 5820k...

[jaslion]

Just now, frozensun said:

I guess you were right,for that money could get 2600x+B450 board...although that 2600x wouldn't clock to over 4 GHz like 5820k...

4.2ghz is the usual max cap for a 2600.

[Zando_]

What board and cooler? My 5820K will do 4.5Ghz at 1.35v (quite hot), but I usually run it at 4.2Ghz/1.2v (much, much cooler). With a smaller tower cooler you're likely to run into thermal limits if you wanna push it harder. 

[frozensun]

13 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

What board and cooler? My 5820K will do 4.5Ghz at 1.35v (quite hot), but I usually run it at 4.2Ghz/1.2v (much, much cooler). With a smaller tower cooler you're likely to run into thermal limits if you wanna push it harder. 

as the gzy stated not worth it...2600x is better CPU then 5820k,I suppose,haven't do research and that one is around 150 euros here.

[Zando_]

6 minutes ago, frozensun said:

as the gzy stated not worth it...2600x is better CPU then 5820k,I suppose,haven't do research and that one is around 150 euros here.

Depends on what you're doing, but yeah the 2600X is good competition. Less so than vs X79 though, since X99 also runs DDR4, but can do so in quad channel if you need the extra bandwidth. If you're not into all-core OCing then the 2600X is likely the better CPU then, assuming you can get one for a price close to what a 5820K + good cooler would be. 

[maxtch]

Just saying, a used Xeon E5-1600v3 series can also overclock, and those may be cheaper when companies start to dump them due to Spectre/Meltdown. Also if you go from a E5 to i7-5820X you lose PCIe capabilities due to that chip have only 28 PCIe lanes instead of 40. As an upgrade to E5-2640v3, try E5-1660v3 (which is, spec for spec, a good approximate for i7-5960X. If you are overclocking there is little point to go with the 200 MHz faster at stock E5-1680v3.)

 

Actually with only a few exceptions at the lowest end of each generation, all E5-1600 series up to E5-1600v3 series are unlocked. I have, in more than one occasion, calling E5-1680v2 the "i7-4990X" since that is the only overclockable 8-core Ivy Bridge chip, one tier above the i7-4960X. 

[frozensun]

12 hours ago, maxtch said:

Just saying, a used Xeon E5-1600v3 series can also overclock, and those may be cheaper when companies start to dump them due to Spectre/Meltdown. Also if you go from a E5 to i7-5820X you lose PCIe capabilities due to that chip have only 28 PCIe lanes instead of 40. As an upgrade to E5-2640v3, try E5-1660v3 (which is, spec for spec, a good approximate for i7-5960X. If you are overclocking there is little point to go with the 200 MHz faster at stock E5-1680v3.)

 

Actually with only a few exceptions at the lowest end of each generation, all E5-1600 series up to E5-1600v3 series are unlocked. I have, in more than one occasion, calling E5-1680v2 the "i7-4990X" since that is the only overclockable 8-core Ivy Bridge chip, one tier above the i7-4960X. 

My dear friend,I don't work in NASA to pay like 1000 $ for CPU....

I asked if it's worth getting 5820k over my current CPU but I totally agree that for money could go for ryzen platform so not worth it.

[Xkillerpn]

R7 1700 + x370 board or a b450 + 32g of ram. this will be really cheap on ebay.

[maxtch]

4 hours ago, frozensun said:

My dear friend,I don't work in NASA to pay like 1000 $ for CPU....

I asked if it's worth getting 5820k over my current CPU but I totally agree that for money could go for ryzen platform so not worth it.

The keyword here is used. Buy a used Xeon and overclock that. Companies and datacenters dump processors en masse when they replace their racks, and such replacements are more frequent now as Intel is under fire repeatedly.

 

I have bought a lot of used server grade stuff for my computers and those parts has lasted long for me. Things like a pair of used Xeon E5-2680's, a used Z9PE-D16 server motherboard, a used P5BV-C LGA775 server motherboard etc, and all of those lasted long.

[frozensun]

17 hours ago, maxtch said:

Just saying, a used Xeon E5-1600v3 series can also overclock, and those may be cheaper when companies start to dump them due to Spectre/Meltdown. Also if you go from a E5 to i7-5820X you lose PCIe capabilities due to that chip have only 28 PCIe lanes instead of 40. As an upgrade to E5-2640v3, try E5-1660v3 (which is, spec for spec, a good approximate for i7-5960X. If you are overclocking there is little point to go with the 200 MHz faster at stock E5-1680v3.)

 

Actually with only a few exceptions at the lowest end of each generation, all E5-1600 series up to E5-1600v3 series are unlocked. I have, in more than one occasion, calling E5-1680v2 the "i7-4990X" since that is the only overclockable 8-core Ivy Bridge chip, one tier above the i7-4960X. 

why should I go for 4C/8T if i own 8c/16t?

Xeons for sck 2011 v3 are still overpriced and that doesn't even matter,not reachable in my country.

[maxtch]

2 minutes ago, frozensun said:

why should I go for 4C/8T if i own 8c/16t?

Xeons for sck 2011 v3 are still overpriced and that doesn't even matter,not reachable in my country.

AliExpress should ship globally, and you may find some cheap gems there. (Or if you want to, I can help as I live in China and can speak Chinese, so I can help you with getting items on Taobao and ship it out to you.)

[frozensun]

1 minute ago, maxtch said:

AliExpress should ship globally, and you may find some cheap gems there. (Or if you want to, I can help as I live in China and can speak Chinese, so I can help you with getting items on Taobao and ship it out to you.)

Dude thx for you help but you are not getting it,why should I pay zillions for Xeon if I can purchase 3900x or any of the Ryzen for same price and get better performance,

It's outdated socket...

Xeons are low clock CPU's and I need this PC for gaming so not meant for gaming,,,the way I'm just looking at the most powerful CPU for this sckt is i7 6950X and probably costs over 1000 $.

[maxtch]

17 minutes ago, frozensun said:

Dude thx for you help but you are not getting it,why should I pay zillions for Xeon if I can purchase 3900x or any of the Ryzen for same price and get better performance,

It's outdated socket...

Xeons are low clock CPU's and I need this PC for gaming so not meant for gaming,,,the way I'm just looking at the most powerful CPU for this sckt is i7 6950X and probably costs over 1000 $.

Xeons are not low clocked chips, especially the overclockable E5-1600 series. Just for your reference, according to TechYesCity's tests, an overclocked E5-1680v2 (Ivy Bridge, 8C/16T) running at 4.6GHz is on par with an overclocked 2700X.

 

Since you already have X99, overclocking an used E5-1660v3 (8C/16T Haswell, equivalent to i7-5960X) that costs less than US$200 can do wonders. That thing should be able to reach 4GHz or above with good cooling, and that can give 3900X a run for its money with your existing RAM and motherboard.

[frozensun]

4 minutes ago, maxtch said:

Xeons are not low clocked chips, especially the overclockable E5-1600 series. Just for your reference, according to TechYesCity's tests, an overclocked E5-1680v2 (Ivy Bridge, 8C/16T) running at 4.6GHz is on par with a 2700X.

 

Since you already have X99, overclocking an used E5-1660v3 that costs less than US$200 can do wonders.

now u give me the reason why I should buy Xeon if for same price I get 2700x with cooler who beats Xeon in almost any task and has higher clock speed:

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_xeon_e5_1660_v3-489-vs-amd_ryzen_7_2700x-876

[frozensun]

https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-vs-intel-xeon-e5-1660

[maxtch]

11 minutes ago, frozensun said:

now u give me the reason why I should buy Xeon if for same price I get 2700x with cooler who beats Xeon in almost any task and has higher clock speed:

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_xeon_e5_1660_v3-489-vs-amd_ryzen_7_2700x-876

• The used Xeon allow you to keep everything you already have: motherboard, RAM, cooler, etc. You just need to swap in the overclockable Xeon, dial in an overclock, and you are ready to go. If you go AMD, you will have to get both new motherboard and new cooler, and those all should count as part of the cost.
• Haswell still have the IPC edge over Zen 2, so clock for clock, core for core, E5-1660v3 is faster than Ryzen. Notice the single core Cinebench when E5-v3 pulled a draw with Zen+ with a lower clock.
• Xeons more than often have some crazy overclock headrooms since they are binned for lower voltages and lower temperatures to begin with, something you want for a good overclocker. I can forsee your E5-1660v3 running at 4.5GHz, a 50% overclock from its 3GHz base.
• Quad-channel memory and double the PCIe lanes are always welcomed. Quad-channel memory means you can get a lot more memory bandwidth. PCIe lanes means more peripherals.

So the idea here is buy just a used E5-1660v3, drop it into your existing X99 board, overclock it, and enjoy.

[frozensun]

1 minute ago, maxtch said:

• The used Xeon allow you to keep everything you already have: motherboard, RAM, cooler, etc. You just need to swap in the overclockable Xeon, dial in an overclock, and you are ready to go. If you go AMD, you will have to get both new motherboard and new cooler, and those all should count as part of the cost.
• Haswell still have the IPC edge over Zen 2, so clock for clock, core for core, E5-1660v3 is faster than Ryzen. Notice the single core Cinebench when E5-v3 pulled a draw with Zen+ with a lower clock.
• Xeons more than often have some crazy overclock headrooms since they are binned for lower voltages and lower temperatures to begin with, something you want for a good overclocker. I can forsee your E5-1660v3 running at 4.5GHz, a 50% overclock from its 3GHz base.

So the idea here is buy just a used E5-1660v3, drop it into your existing X99 board, overclock it, and enjoy.

ok how much is that CPU,link me,I see pricing on amazon of 398 bucks lool

[maxtch]

3 minutes ago, frozensun said:

ok how much is that CPU,link me,I see pricing on amazon of 398 bucks lool

CNY 1250 for a used E5-1660v3 on Taobao, so about US$180. You need to check the used market, for example on AliExpress, for the deals. (AliExpress is the international version of Taobao.)

[frozensun]

Here in my country from aliexp I wait for shipment for like 3 months dude...this is my last post.thx for help anyway...

[frozensun]

And who told you that CPU can OC because my can't?

Xeon is Xeon...and not overclockable...

[maxtch]

1 minute ago, frozensun said:

Here in my country from aliexp I wait for shipment for like 3 months dude...this is my last post.thx for help anyway...

This is normal for regular international airmail from China, or you can pay some premium for express shipping, for example DHL. Even with that added you should be able to get that E5-1660v3 for less than US$300 shipped.

[maxtch]

3 minutes ago, frozensun said:

Here in my country from aliexp I wait for shipment for like 3 months dude...this is my last post.thx for help anyway...

This is normal for regular international airmail from China, or you can pay some premium for express shipping, for example DHL. Even with that added you should be able to get that E5-1660v3 for less than US$300 shipped.

[frozensun]

Zou really don't get it for that price (CPU+shipment) I can buy here 2700X+B450 MoBo so no point of discussing anymore.

2700x is much more powerful CPU.

Look at benchmarks...Thx for help anw.