Starlink Approved in Australia by ACMA

[leadeater]

18 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Like I said, the infustructure is already on the poles. Do you expect a corporation to just replace it all?

Yes I actually do and I know they have enough money to do it. Sure not all at once, but the fact is dumping money in to a dead technology like DOCSIS is a literal waste of money. It made sense for a while to get the capability up to deliver at least adequate connection speeds but now it's time to dump it and move on.

 

Shareholders aren't that stupid either, large investments are fine even if it affects dividends because if the alternative is becoming market noncompetitive there isn't any fool out there who would prefer that i.e. investment becoming worthless. It's just that competition is just so damn unlikely stagnation is actually a viable option.

 

18 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

its not provided by the government

Neither is ours, but the public money that goes in to it directly invests in infrastructure upgrades and is audited to make sure it actually does. Every ISP here is a private for profit company, the infrastructure lines company e.g. Chorus is a private for profit company. All the government does is provide public money to improve services and create regulations/laws that classify internet access to the near same level as water and electricity, meaning no other land owner can deny you access to internet if it has to go through their property.

 

That's actually a pretty big misconception you're pointing to, just because something is a legally classified utility does not actually mean it is provided by the government. Water and surage is pretty much the only thing.

[Donut417]

Just now, leadeater said:

Yes I actually do and I know they have enough money to do it. Sure not all at once, but the fact is dumping money in to a dead technology like DOCSIS is a literal waste of money. It made sense for a while to get the capability up to deliver at least adequate connections speeds but now it's time to dump it and move on.

As long as Cable Labs continues pushing out revisions its not a dead standard. Secondly you have no clue how businesses opperate in the US. Theres this little thing called the free market. Businesses expect no government interfrence or very little and there only job is to make money for the shareholder/stakeholders of the company. They have no oblgiation to do anything out of the kindness of there hearts. 

 

Would it pain you to hear that AT&T in my area only opperates copper and when they did offer service to my address it was only 6 Mbps aDSL. Or the fact they only hit a top speed of 18 Mbps in other parts of my city. At least Docsis provides better services than that. 

 

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

egally classified utility does not actually mean it is provide by the government.

ISPs are not a utility in the US. If they were they would be regulated like all utilites over here. Like how DTE is for power and natural gas, they are a private for profit company but they have a legal monopoly for the most part. BUT they are regulated for electric and gas services. ISP's dont come close to this. The only way I know of public money being used here for better internet infustructure is if the community builds it themselves. Which is illegal in many states. 

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8 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Secondly you have no clue how businesses opperate in the US. Theres this little thing called the free market. Businesses expect no government interfrence or very little and there only job is to make money for the shareholder/stakeholders of the company. They have no oblgiation to do anything out of the kindness of there hearts. 

I do I just don't agree with it, and moving forward to a better technology is not a kindness of heart thing it's a market competitive issue, it's not my problem competition just isn't a thing in the US.

 

And most importantly, you the people come before a business, that is the governments job. Free market can and should be slapped when necessary, failure to do so is a failure of government.

 

Edit:

Also large amount of public US money has gone to ISPs, not that they did what they were supposed to do with it, no penalties given either.

 

And it's a dead standard no matter how much Cable Labs beats on it, in the very same way DSL is dead and is still getting revisions.

[Donut417]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

you the people come before a business

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.......... My side hurts from laughing so hard. When have the people ever mattered in this country? Probably not since the good old days of George Washington. 

 

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

market competitive issue

Dont need to be compeditive when cities signs a 100 year exclusive rights agreement with a cable company. Lucky ours was only 25 years and has expired. But guess what? No new ISP's will enter my city, they say we are not large enough. Again you cant force a business. Thats un American and is seen as socialism or communism. We wont have that here. Its like my city lost its grocery store. People are complaining that the city's doing nothing. What is the city to do? They cant force a person to build a grocery store here. Same way the city cant force Comcast to deploy fiber. 

 

9 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Free market can and should be slapped when necessary,

The government doesnt have the legal authroity. Title 2 has been repealed AND ISP's are not legally utilities. They operate with in the current letter of the law. As long as they do so, they cant be slapped for anyting. The FCC learned this the hardway. 

[leadeater]

9 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

The government doesnt have the legal authroity. Title 2 has been repealed AND ISP's are not legally utilities. They operate with in the current letter of the law. As long as they do so, they cant be slapped for anyting. The FCC learned this the hardway. 

Government does if they so choose to and have the support from the people, don't throw me a can't do it when we both know it is possible to. Laws are not unchangeable, we change ours to address literally the same issue you are having with your ISPs now. We use to suffer under the monopoly of Telecom, for decades. We, meaning basically every person here said no that is not good enough and so put us before said company because it was hurting the entire country.

 

Edit:

And for some context, shareholders were fine with it.

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Telecom will make history by becoming the first "incumbent" telco in the world to voluntarily split in two next month, after Telecom shareholders rubber-stamped the structural separation of the company.

 

Despite years of intrigue and speculation in the run-up to the decision, there was negligible opposition and no questions asked by shareholders at the company's annual meeting in Auckland.

 

Votes were received from investors holding two-thirds of the company, with 99.8 per cent in favour of the split.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5858284/Telecom-split-first-in-world

[Donut417]

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Government does if they so choose to and have the support from the people

Have you need seen what has been going on here in the last 3.5 years? We are the most divided we have been since probably the civil war. Also, how are those people going to get reelected without the support of their corporate overlords? The mineut the supearm court made Citizens United legal, the govenrment no longer needed the support of the people. Corporations own our government, we as citizens know that and we have to live with that. 

 

6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

We use to suffer under the monopoly of Telecom, for decades

We had that issue at one time too. The DOJ took a sludge hammer and broke up the ma bell. Guess what? Its pretty much rebuilt its self. 

 

The only way to fix the issues in the US. If for the governmnet to take over the internet infustrure. The issue with this is, our Federal Government is incapable of taking on this task, the only thing they know how to do is destroy. Need us to bomb the living shit out of someone? We can do that. Need us to fix something, dont bother asking. State governments are not much better. SHIT, somehow they used the wrong concrete on i75. Now we are probably going to have to pay to replace that concrete. Our governments are so fucked in this country, the last thing you want to hear out of someones mouth is "We are from the government and we are here to help". 

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6 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Have you need seen what has been going on here in the last 3.5 years? We are the most divided we have been since probably the civil war. Also, how are those people going to get reelected without the support of their corporate overlords? The mineut the supearm court made Citizens United legal, the govenrment no longer needed the support of the people. Corporations own our government, we as citizens know that and we have to live with that. 

Yes, and I also realize internet/ISPs are not exactly the most pressing issue right now but I have no interest in any of that, because well it largely has no effect on me and additionally I have zero influence on it. I do like to pick and choose the brick walls I yell at, US politics is one I try and stay away from as best I can.

 

Because don't misunderstand what I've said earlier, bitching about US ISPs continuing to invest in DOCSIS standards is very much yelling at a brick wall and I know it, but that is a brick wall I will yell at.