3400g vs 3600

[lordjaykay]

Hi everyone,

 

Im just getting  back into pc building/gaming  after maybe 10 years  and ive spend the last month or two just catching up and decided on the following build:

Parts already brought:

 

Case : Phanteks shift

PSU: Corsair SF600 modular platinum 

RAM: Corsair vengence RGB pro 16gb 3600mhz

Storage: Sabrent m.2 nvme 512GB

Cooling: Corsair H60 for cpu

Casefan: Noctua 140mm 

 

Motherboard: b450i Asus Rog mITX (not bought but pretty much decided)

 

Ive sort of accumulated these parts over the last month just grabbing hold of a deal as and when i could but im stuck with the most important bits i.e. CPU and graphics card.

Now im just not in a position to be buying these together and will probably be getting  a graphics card a few months down the line and from my research, will quite likely be settling on the 5700xt (equal to the 2070 in my understanding and about 100£ cheaper minus the Ray tracing).

 

Usage : PC gaming, video streaming (netflix , youtube etc). Basically an entertainment only machine. No video/photo editing or graphics stuff  of ny sort.

 

So long story short im left with two options at the moment 

1. Buy a ryzen 3400g (120£) and addon a 5700xt later. Will that processor be a significant bottleneck for the gpu? Will i need to be looking at upgrading my cpu to a 3600 later?

 

2. Buy a 3600 (165£)with a basic nvidia gt710 (35£) for now to have a pc up and running and addon a 5700xt later. (Ebay the gt710 later for what its worth)

 

I can imagine this sounds like a stupid comparison between the 3600 vs the 3400g but what I cant figure out is if the 5700xt will be wasted with the 3400g?

 

Apologies if this is way too basic a question, trying hard to catch up. Some comments on the parts chosen will be appreciated as well (Is there something I should absolutely get rid of?)

 

Cheers!

[LogicWeasel]

It'd be best to choose your CPU for long-term now, and if that means Ryzen 5 3600 than do that.  It's much easier to flip a GPU you don't want on craigslist, but with a used CPU you need someone looking for it that has the motherboard already, it's a slimmer market, you'll end up stuck with it.

 

This is the downside of doing one part at a time rather than buying all your PC at once, you don't get to fully use your computer until it's done anyway.  Best not to knee-cap your CPU choice and be stuck with a 3400G to flip (unless you have a friend or party already lined up to buy it when you inevitably get rid of it).

The only other option is if you have someone willing to let you borrow a spare CPU or GPU, maybe they have their old GPU laying around so you don't have to buy a GT 710?  Or make sure to check your local sites like Craigslist for a possible deal on a GPU (or even CPU).

[Jurrunio]

Definitely 3600. 3400G is only Zen+, not Zen2, and still has the trouble with BIOS update so you might as well get a R5 2600/2600X, even R7 and get extra cores without BIOS update problem

[boggy77]

Go for 3600 and a second hand rx570. You'll have a good gaming experience until you buy the 5700 and can resell it for the same value, basically using it for free.

[lordjaykay]

32 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Definitely 3600. 3400G is only Zen+, not Zen2, and still has the trouble with BIOS update so you might as well get a R5 2600/2600X, even R7 and get extra cores without BIOS update problem

Hmmm. Thats another question Ive debated i.e. 2700x (145£) and the prism cooler can probably be sold for 10-20£ vs 3600 (165£). When they seem to have same-ish performance. But I figured the higher TDP in the 2700x meant more heat in a case that already struggles with air flow or is that going to be insignificant with my AIO ?(even if its 120mm).

If i go 2700x , just leaves me with more money for the GPU.

Thanks a lot for the reply!

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, lordjaykay said:

Hmmm. Thats another question Ive debated i.e. 2700x (145£) and the prism cooler can probably be sold for 10-20£ vs 3600 (165£). When they seem to have same-ish performance. But I figured the higher TDP in the 2700x meant more heat in a case that already struggles with air flow or is that going to be insignificant with my AIO ?(even if its 120mm).

If i go 2700x , just leaves me with more money for the GPU.

Thanks a lot for the reply!

More cores is not better if you're just gaming

 

and Zen+ doesnt play as well with high frame rates, if you have a high refresh rate monitor spending extra for Zen2 is still worth it.

[lordjaykay]

43 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

It'd be best to choose your CPU for long-term now, and if that means Ryzen 5 3600 than do that.  It's much easier to flip a GPU you don't want on craigslist, but with a used CPU you need someone looking for it that has the motherboard already, it's a slimmer market, you'll end up stuck with it.

 

This is the downside of doing one part at a time rather than buying all your PC at once, you don't get to fully use your computer until it's done anyway.  Best not to knee-cap your CPU choice and be stuck with a 3400G to flip (unless you have a friend or party already lined up to buy it when you inevitably get rid of it).

The only other option is if you have someone willing to let you borrow a spare CPU or GPU, maybe they have their old GPU laying around so you don't have to buy a GT 710?  Or make sure to check your local sites like Craigslist for a possible deal on a GPU (or even CPU).

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately used market on UK is just bonkers. People seem happy to pay a price within 5 to 10% of a brand new one. Ive been bidding on stuff but never successful e..g someone won an auction for 450£ for a 2070 super founders edition. 140 £ for  2700x which is 145 new and more nonsense which has just put me off ebay.

[boggy77]

1 hour ago, lordjaykay said:

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately used market on UK is just bonkers. People seem happy to pay a price within 5 to 10% of a brand new one. Ive been bidding on stuff but never successful e..g someone won an auction for 450£ for a 2070 super founders edition. 140 £ for  2700x which is 145 new and more nonsense which has just put me off ebay.

It's a bit better on the gpu market, but suit yourself.

[LogicWeasel]

2 hours ago, lordjaykay said:

Unfortunately used market on UK is just bonkers. ...  and more nonsense which has just put me off ebay.

I didn't say ebay however.  I said local sites like Craigslist.  Seek those out, they might have deals.  I don't know how much your area of the UK uses Craigslist, Kijiji, LetGo, etc, but surely there is something that people use to flip stuff that isn't ebay.