First build! COMPLETE system overhaul!!

[wittydavid]

This is actually my first time building a PC by myself! Also First time posting here on LTT = Hi everyone
VERY EXCITED!!

Any help will be mostly appreciated, if any information is missing please feel free to ask.

Let's get started, shall we?

 

1. Budget & Location
This sum is as far as I can take it, unless upgrading a part will result in a big difference in reliability, build quality or performance.
Also I'm not from the states so this is kind of irrelevant - I'll just assume that the total sum in USD is relative to my currency here and do the conversion myself.

 

2. Aim

Programming - Running multiple Virtual machines in parallel , multiple Containers parallel, general dev-ops work.
Gaming - AAA titles - Total War Warhammer 1/2, Battlefield, The witcher 3, Red dead redemption 2, GTA V.

 

3. Monitors
For now One Main 2560 x 1440 Gaming monitor - thinking about ASUS ROG PG279QE 27".
Maybe I'll add another simple 1080p monitor in the future for extra real estate.

 

4. Peripherals
Keyboard, mouse, Headphones (will I need a dedicated sound card+amp?) what about wireless headphones like the sony wh-1000xm3.
No need to purchase OS.

 

5. Why are you upgrading?
Current PC is way too old - practically not turning on anymore.

 

Questions/advice needed:

1. Basically everything except the GPU (already bought) is replaceable so feel free to make changes for the sake of reliability, build quality or performance.

2. I Checked the Seasonic wattage calculator and It said that the Load Wattage is 491 W and recommended a 550 W PSU, should I go for 650 W just in case?

3. If I would like to add a led strip inside will I need a hub for that? Or do i just plug it onto the motherboard?

4. The monitor I'm looking to buy needs to have - 

2560 x 1440 or 3440 x 1440 resolution

High refresh rate nothing less than 100hz and preferably more than that.

Adaptive Sync technology preferably g-sync - Is there a noticeable difference between freesync and g-sync?  

great colors 

great build quality (I really don't want any IPS glow)

low response time

That's why I chose the ASUS ROG PG279QE but it's a 4 year old monitor - is there anything else as good or better?

5. Recommended comfortable wireless mouse?

6. I've heard that water cooling doesn't last as long as fan cooling and that it's more hassle. Is it true? Should I go for AIO Liquid cooling instead?

7. I chose the DDR4-2666 memory because in Intel's website it said that this is the cpu's limit and i read somewhere that installing it with anything above what is states will void the warranty. Is it true?

8. Is the motherboard built in sound card enough for hi-fi audio? or do I need to by an sound card or amp or both?

9. Should I go for a higher tier power supply?

 

THE BUILD

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xXpz6R

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($369.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($63.75 @ Amazon) 
Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H1 3.5 g Thermal Paste  ($7.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($181.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($150.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($87.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card  ($769.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($115.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($103.98 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($13.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($13.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($13.95 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Asus PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($618.90 @ Amazon) 
Keyboard: Ducky One 2 RGB TKL Wired Standard Keyboard 

Total: $2592.31

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-04 17:28 EST-0500

[TheGlenlivet]

How many VM/containers will you have going at once?  Just noticing only 8 threads on the CPU.

I'd get a big HDD instead of the 1TB SSD for your games and keep the 500GB SSD for your OS.  Unless you have a plan for all SSD storage.

 

 

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Best Buy) extra cores/threads will help for VMs.
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($168.98 @ Newegg) you can plug in an RGB strip directly to the motherboard.
Memory: OLOy WarHawk RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($113.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Pioneer 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($102.99 @ Amazon) faster than the 970 evo.
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card  ($769.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($98.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 550w is enough.
Case Fan: Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($4.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($4.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($4.99 @ Corsair) 
Monitor: Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor  ($679.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2589.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-04 20:33 EST-0500

[trevb0t]

1 hour ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

Monitor: Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor  ($679.99 @ Amazon) 

?

 

Is there a reason to go with a 120hz Dell over an 165hz ASUS listed lower?

 

(EDIT: I see it's the ultra wide resolution.)

[wittydavid]

10 hours ago, TheGlenlivet said:

How many VM/containers will you have going at once?  Just noticing only 8 threads on the CPU.

I'd get a big HDD instead of the 1TB SSD for your games and keep the 500GB SSD for your OS.  Unless you have a plan for all SSD storage.

 

 

 

Enough to simulate multi layered (App , load balancer, database etc) clusters across at least three "sites".
I did opted to go for a 500G m.2 nvme ssd and another 1TB ssd for all storage to be ssd.

[wittydavid]

9 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Best Buy) extra cores/threads will help for VMs.
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($168.98 @ Newegg) you can plug in an RGB strip directly to the motherboard.
Memory: OLOy WarHawk RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($113.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Pioneer 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($102.99 @ Amazon) faster than the 970 evo.
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card  ($769.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($98.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 550w is enough.
Case Fan: Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($4.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($4.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($4.99 @ Corsair) 
Monitor: Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor  ($679.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2589.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-04 20:33 EST-0500

Thank you so much for your reply!!

Just a few questions
I have debated whether to go for the AMD's ryzen or stick with intel. I don't have any experience with AMD. How reliable are they compared to intel?

Is the X570 the best chipset for this cpu?

Should I stick to the noctua air cooler? or go for an AIO?

Thank you!

[boggy77]

12 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

Thank you so much for your reply!!

Just a few questions
I have debated whether to go for the AMD's ryzen or stick with intel. I don't have any experience with AMD. How reliable are they compared to intel?

Is the X570 the best chipset for this cpu?

Should I stick to the noctua air cooler? or go for an AIO?

Thank you!

that motherboard is pretty good for the cpu. I'd go for faster ram (3600 C16)

if you don't plan on overclocking, you can stick to the stock cooler

[wittydavid]

20 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

that motherboard is pretty good for the cpu. I'd go for faster ram (3600 C16)

if you don't plan on overclocking, you can stick to the stock cooler

I've just read in AMD's website that the system memory supported is 3200hz, wouldn't it just result in a bottleneck?

Thank you!

[Meganter]

3 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

I've just read in AMD's website that the system memory supported is 3200hz, wouldn't it just result in a bottleneck?

Thank you!

Hello,

 

Depending of the motherboard, 3rd gen can go up to 4400MHz.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/#:~:targetText=DDR4-2933 is the recommended,frequency for 2nd generation Ryzen.

[trevb0t]

4 hours ago, wittydavid said:

How reliable are they compared to intel?

Ryzen is competitive. All models are unlocked and overclockable, and almost all but the lowest end units are multi-threaded. Both are typically the factors that make those long-lived Intel units so durable. Obviously the Athlon series was a different story in the past.

4 hours ago, wittydavid said:

Is the X570 the best chipset for this cpu?

Yes. It's the first generation of PCIe gen 4 boards. It is built to handle the Zen 2 CPUs and will have addl benefits as more gear becomes available to meet the PCIe 4 standard.

The B450 MAX series is the chipset for the previous gen of Ryzen chips with an updated BIOS to meet Zen 2 standards. It's an option for some of the lower temp Chips within the set, but for the 3900X it's generally a good idea to get a solid X570 board.

4 hours ago, wittydavid said:

Should I stick to the noctua air cooler? or go for an AIO?

The NH-D15 or the Dark Rock Pro 4 are the best air coolers on the market. Both are significantly quieter than even top tier AIOs (since they require multi fan radiators to operate.) 

They also have no possibility of leaking water onto your precious, precious gear.

I like the DRP4 myself, since it's pitch black and not that hideous brown and tan color scheme.

3 hours ago, wittydavid said:

I've just read in AMD's website that the system memory supported is 3200hz, wouldn't it just result in a bottleneck?

The fastest supported RAM without an "overclock" is 3200mhz, just as the B450 was 2666mhz. 

3600 is considered the "sweet spot" for X570 and zen 2, though the CAS Latency on most affordable 3600mhz sticks is a bit on the sloppy side.

 

So to answer: No, it won't bottleneck. It will be considered "overclocked" by your BIOS but will be fully operational without any additional effort on your part. (You'll just have to type "3600" into the BIOS once.)

 

There is a lot of debate on whether it is better to purchase 3600 and work on lowering CL through overclocking or to buy much cheaper 3200 with better CL and just OC the frequency. Really the difference in FPS between 3200 and 3600 is pretty minimal, and there is always the infinity fabric to mess with as well.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, trevb0t said:

I like the DRP4 myself, since it's pitch black and not that hideous brown and tan color scheme.

https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15-chromax-black

 

 

[trevb0t]

6 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15-chromax-black

 

 

Fair, but it's usually $20-30 more than the DRP4, and the NH-D15 usually test a decibel or two higher.

So I usually stick to the DRP4 between the two  

Honestly for $60 The Scythe Fuma 2 is comparable in performance (black in color) and just a touch above these two in decibel as well. As a budget shopper, it's likely what I'd go with.

[Zando_]

Just now, trevb0t said:

Fair, but it's usually $20-30 more than the DRP4, and the NH-D15 usually test a decibel or two higher.

So I usually stick to the DRP4 between the two  

Honestly for $60 The Scythe Fuma 2 is comparable in performance (black in color) and just a touch above these two in decibel as well. As a budget shopper, it's likely what I'd go with.

True true. I tend to pick Noctua mostly for the mounting system though, I've heard the DRP4's isn't the best and IDK about the Scythe. The Noctua also comes with two of their fans, which are incredibly reliable. BeQuiet's are solid too though, but probably still slightly below Noctua's quality. The Scythe I'd be wary with, I've looked into some of their other fans (they compete with Noctua or beat them for airflow/noise balance), but a lot of the user reviews said they died in a few months. Whereas I've never heard of a Noctua just up and dying, and they carry a 6-year warranty just in case. 

[trevb0t]

7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

True true. I tend to pick Noctua mostly for the mounting system though, I've heard the DRP4's isn't the best and IDK about the Scythe. The Noctua also comes with two of their fans, which are incredibly reliable. BeQuiet's are solid too though, but probably still slightly below Noctua's quality. The Scythe I'd be wary with, I've looked into some of their other fans (they compete with Noctua or beat them for airflow/noise balance), but a lot of the user reviews said they died in a few months. Whereas I've never heard of a Noctua just up and dying, and they carry a 6-year warranty just in case. 

Interesting! My research on the FUMA 2 has never really been toward the longevity. I'll have to dig deeper. Generally speaking I've seen a lot of people happy with the Mugen series, which is lower end (huge heatsink though, to be fair...) and great reviews to the Fuma performance. So I assumed. (Shame on me )

 

I've not read anything negative about the DRP4 mounting, though I know that all options require hardware for AM4. (I'm not aware of ANY coolers specifically made for AM4 without addl hardware...)

I know there have been occasional issues with high clearance RAM spreaders and the DRP4, but if it's higher clearance than say a Ripjaw, I personally won't mess with it anyway .

[wittydavid]

7 hours ago, Plouffe said:

Hello,

 

Depending of the motherboard, 3rd gen can go up to 4400MHz.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/#:~:targetText=DDR4-2933 is the recommended,frequency for 2nd generation Ryzen.

Interesting.
I'll look into that, thanks!

[wittydavid]

5 hours ago, trevb0t said:

Ryzen is competitive. All models are unlocked and overclockable, and almost all but the lowest end units are multi-threaded. Both are typically the factors that make those long-lived Intel units so durable. Obviously the Athlon series was a different story in the past.

Yes. It's the first generation of PCIe gen 4 boards. It is built to handle the Zen 2 CPUs and will have addl benefits as more gear becomes available to meet the PCIe 4 standard.

The B450 MAX series is the chipset for the previous gen of Ryzen chips with an updated BIOS to meet Zen 2 standards. It's an option for some of the lower temp Chips within the set, but for the 3900X it's generally a good idea to get a solid X570 board.

The NH-D15 or the Dark Rock Pro 4 are the best air coolers on the market. Both are significantly quieter than even top tier AIOs (since they require multi fan radiators to operate.) 

They also have no possibility of leaking water onto your precious, precious gear.

I like the DRP4 myself, since it's pitch black and not that hideous brown and tan color scheme.

The fastest supported RAM without an "overclock" is 3200mhz, just as the B450 was 2666mhz. 

3600 is considered the "sweet spot" for X570 and zen 2, though the CAS Latency on most affordable 3600mhz sticks is a bit on the sloppy side.

 

So to answer: No, it won't bottleneck. It will be considered "overclocked" by your BIOS but will be fully operational without any additional effort on your part. (You'll just have to type "3600" into the BIOS once.)

 

There is a lot of debate on whether it is better to purchase 3600 and work on lowering CL through overclocking or to buy much cheaper 3200 with better CL and just OC the frequency. Really the difference in FPS between 3200 and 3600 is pretty minimal, and there is always the infinity fabric to mess with as well.

Thank you so much for your reply! Appreciate it.

Still debating if I should go for an Intel build or AMD.

Though on paper the ryzen 9 3900x is more appealing than intel's i7 9700k or even the i9 9900k, 12 cores *24* threads.
Intel's reputation with durability and reliability and the fact that i don't have any experience with AMD processors makes me uncertain if I should go with AMD on this.

[gloop]

1 minute ago, wittydavid said:

Thank you so much for your reply! Appreciate it.

Still debating if I should go for an Intel build or AMD.

Though on paper the ryzen 9 3900x is more appealing than intel's i7 9700k or even the i9 9900k, 12 cores *24* threads.
Intel's reputation with durability and reliability and the fact that i don't have any experience with AMD processors makes me uncertain if I should go with AMD on this.

AMD is just all round better value. They may have had some bad product lines in the past, but trust me, its worth it.

[wittydavid]

5 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15-chromax-black

 

 

@trevb0t
I don't guys, I've thought about these hefty looking coolers and they look like they're heavy enough to kind of bend the motherboard.

Granted I haven't looked up anything like it online but I also didn't search anything so ill def give it a look.

Thanks!!

[Zando_]

Just now, wittydavid said:

@trevb0t
I don't guys, I've thought about these hefty looking coolers and they look like they're heavy enough to kind of bend the motherboard.

Granted I haven't looked up anything like it online but I also didn't search anything so ill def give it a look.

Thanks!!

You'd need a really flimsy motherboard, or to be moving your PC around roughly all the time, for that to be a concern. Once motherboards are in the case screwed into all the standoffs, they're really darn sturdy. I've picked them up by the coolers for a good while now too (when moving a mobo around outside the case, even up to massive XL-ATX ones), and they flex a bit but have always been fine. Would not recommend bending your mobo all the time though, but unless you're over-tightening stuff you shouldn't have any issues (Most Noctua mounting systems can't be overtightened, they bottom out at a specific height and use springs for even pressure). 

[wittydavid]

5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

You'd need a really flimsy motherboard, or to be moving your PC around roughly all the time, for that to be a concern. Once motherboards are in the case screwed into all the standoffs, they're really darn sturdy. I've picked them up by the coolers for a good while now too (when moving a mobo around outside the case, even up to massive XL-ATX ones), and they flex a bit but have always been fine. Would not recommend bending your mobo all the time though, but unless you're over-tightening stuff you shouldn't have any issues (Most Noctua mounting systems can't be overtightened, they bottom out at a specific height and use springs for even pressure). 

Gotcha.

Well, I don't plan on moving the mobo out side the case once I'm done building.

I like noctuas reputation and I think I'll go for the one you recommended so I won't need to compromise for the infamous brownish tan fans haha.

 

I actually was JUST about to ask how do i know if i over tighten screws?

[trevb0t]

17 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

Thank you so much for your reply! Appreciate it.

Still debating if I should go for an Intel build or AMD.

Though on paper the ryzen 9 3900x is more appealing than intel's i7 9700k or even the i9 9900k, 12 cores *24* threads.
Intel's reputation with durability and reliability and the fact that i don't have any experience with AMD processors makes me uncertain if I should go with AMD on this.

Honestly if you're going to buy Intel in the current market, the only CPU that makes sense is the 9900K or KS on a decent sale. Otherwise the 3900X is a handy spanking in pretty much all regards, and only a touch behind in gaming.

Personally for value's sake, the 3700X makes more sense in most builds (except of course those that do HEAVY professional workload processing.) It's a very well priced unit that practically games the same as the $500 units.

[wittydavid]

28 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Honestly if you're going to buy Intel in the current market, the only CPU that makes sense is the 9900K or KS on a decent sale. Otherwise the 3900X is a handy spanking in pretty much all regards, and only a touch behind in gaming.

Personally for value's sake, the 3700X makes more sense in most builds (except of course those that do HEAVY professional workload processing.) It's a very well priced unit that practically games the same as the $500 units.

Honestly looking at the total price does stung a bit.
I'm not a pro gamer, nor a HEAVY programmer.
I just don't really know what I can save money on, everything looks important to me, even the case.

[trevb0t]

1 hour ago, wittydavid said:

Honestly looking at the total price does stung a bit.
I'm not a pro gamer, nor a HEAVY programmer.
I just don't really know what I can save money on, everything looks important to me, even the case.

You can certainly spend less and get a GREAT gaming rig:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	Corsair H100x 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$81.18 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$59.99 @ Newegg
Storage	ADATA XPG SX6000 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$99.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$49.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card	$784.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$98.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	BitFenix Whisper M 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$79.00
Case Fan	Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$12.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$12.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1695.08
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-05 18:30 EST-0500

• 3700X because enough threads is enough threads. Still a great workload CPU as well.
• I would still go DRP4 or NH-D15 on the cooler myself, but since you dislike the bulk, this is a solid AIO (H100i, H150i, etc.)
• For the 3700X (nice low power draw and solid thermal performance.) You can certainly sit comfortably on a B450 Max with good VRMs. (Like this one.) It will overclock well if you want to, though you shouldn't really have any need. 
• 3200mhz is solid RAM. I wouldn't go any lower, but I wouldn't spend $120 on 3600mhz when the FPS difference is negligible.
• You DON'T need overpriced Samsung drives for a gaming machine. There are plenty of reliable drive brands, and 1TB SSD for boot and main games plus a 7200RPM scratch drive for the rest is so much less expensive. The difference in FPS between NVMe, SATA SSD, and 7200RPM is... 0%
• You've got yourself a solid ass GPU. No sweat there.
• I agree with the Meshify C. It's a great case, great looking, great airflow and cable management. I included two X2 GP-12's because they match the two included in the case. In this build you'd put the radiator in the top slot and fill the remaining two front spaces with the addl case fans.
• In Europe (I'm not sure where you're from) the BitFenix Gold or Whisper are often pretty readily available and usually around $70. Great units, great price. (Currently no good data on U.S. PCPartpicker because they sold out around black friday.)

This build is solid ULTRA 1440p and even 4k gaming (in most titles.)

It's also has a sexy black motif. 

[wittydavid]

14 hours ago, trevb0t said:

You can certainly spend less and get a GREAT gaming rig:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	Corsair H100x 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$81.18 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$59.99 @ Newegg
Storage	ADATA XPG SX6000 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$99.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$49.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card	$784.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$98.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	BitFenix Whisper M 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$79.00
Case Fan	Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$12.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$12.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1695.08
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-05 18:30 EST-0500

• 3700X because enough threads is enough threads. Still a great workload CPU as well.
• I would still go DRP4 or NH-D15 on the cooler myself, but since you dislike the bulk, this is a solid AIO (H100i, H150i, etc.)
• For the 3700X (nice low power draw and solid thermal performance.) You can certainly sit comfortably on a B450 Max with good VRMs. (Like this one.) It will overclock well if you want to, though you shouldn't really have any need. 
• 3200mhz is solid RAM. I wouldn't go any lower, but I wouldn't spend $120 on 3600mhz when the FPS difference is negligible.
• You DON'T need overpriced Samsung drives for a gaming machine. There are plenty of reliable drive brands, and 1TB SSD for boot and main games plus a 7200RPM scratch drive for the rest is so much less expensive. The difference in FPS between NVMe, SATA SSD, and 7200RPM is... 0%
• You've got yourself a solid ass GPU. No sweat there.
• I agree with the Meshify C. It's a great case, great looking, great airflow and cable management. I included two X2 GP-12's because they match the two included in the case. In this build you'd put the radiator in the top slot and fill the remaining two front spaces with the addl case fans.
• In Europe (I'm not sure where you're from) the BitFenix Gold or Whisper are often pretty readily available and usually around $70. Great units, great price. (Currently no good data on U.S. PCPartpicker because they sold out around black friday.)

This build is solid ULTRA 1440p and even 4k gaming (in most titles.)

It's also has a sexy black motif. 

You know what I think you're right.
Now that I see the price difference compared to the negligible performance boost I think the whole "might as well" attitude is too costly

Regarding to all the points you made

• I do prefer an air cooler so I chose the nh-d15 - i'll check the ram and case clearance and If ill have trouble i'll go for the u14s.
• I think it'll be better to go for a x570 for the pcie gen 4 connection and I feel like it's more future proof for upgrades - correct me if I'm wrong and what do you think about his specific mobo?
• I did switch out the ssd because this is the cheapest I could find where i'm from (Shalom from Israel btw)
• Same thing with the noctua case fan.
• Unfortunately i can't find this psu in the retailers website so I had to choose something else.
  Should I go for 550 or 650? Any other recommended PSU?

Here is what I feel will be the final build-

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$309.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$89.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	$168.98 @ Newegg
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$79.99 @ Best Buy
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$117.95 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$42.24 @ Walmart
Video Card	Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card	$784.99 @ Best Buy
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$98.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan	Noctua NF-S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan	$13.95 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1707.02
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-06 12:34 EST-0500

 

 

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1 hour ago, wittydavid said:

You know what I think you're right.
Now that I see the price difference compared to the negligible performance boost I think the whole "might as well" attitude is too costly

Regarding to all the points you made

• I do prefer an air cooler so I chose the nh-d15 - i'll check the ram and case clearance and If ill have trouble i'll go for the u14s.
• I think it'll be better to go for a x570 for the pcie gen 4 connection and I feel like it's more future proof for upgrades - correct me if I'm wrong and what do you think about his specific mobo?
• I did switch out the ssd because this is the cheapest I could find where i'm from (Shalom from Israel btw)
• Same thing with the noctua case fan.
• Unfortunately i can't find this psu in the retailers website so I had to choose something else.
  Should I go for 550 or 650? Any other recommended PSU?

Here is what I feel will be the final build-

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$309.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$89.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	$168.98 @ Newegg
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$79.99 @ Best Buy
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$117.95 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$42.24 @ Walmart
Video Card	Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card	$784.99 @ Best Buy
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$98.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan	Noctua NF-S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan	$13.95 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1707.02
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-06 12:34 EST-0500

 

 

• Air is really the better option. The NH-D15 is great.
• The vengeance is practically a flat heat spreader. There won't be clearance issues. The only ones I would be really concerned with would be like the Warhawks or the Evo Potenza. Stuff that really sticks up above the RAM stick. 
• That TUF Board is a solid choice. Really it's the unit I would get if I went X570. The price to performance is solid. The benefits of PCIe 4 with your current gear will be zero, however if PCIe 4 gear becomes a big thing (which we think it will.) and affordable (Which may take years.) you will have a compatible platform to integrate them. So it certainly isn't a bad idea.
• The Meshify comes with two of the case fan I linked. It's pretty high quality, and those would match in airflow and sound. The noctua unit is obviously solid and similarly priced if you don't mind mismatch.
• Refer to our friendly neighborhood PSU Tier List for a reference, and see what you can find at a decent price. I recommend A/B+ tier, and the general feel is that Corsair units tend to have the best support/warranty out of the pile. 
  • I'd avoid any Seasonic Focus units, though the GX series units look pretty promising. (Brand new and I'd say untested enough I might still avoid until we see a year of reviews.)
  • 550W is fine, 650W is fine. Sometimes 650W is randomly cheaper. Just find a good unit, and I wouldn't go over 650W since that is where they consider single railed units to be a little less stable.