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The i9-9900k processor gives very high VCCIO & VCCSA voltage at 4000mhz (CL 17-17-17-37) ram auto tuning.

 

The games are running stable for a while when the manual voltage 2.00v. Then I'm frame drop.

The processor is not running stable. How do I find the correct voltage?

Which program can test the processor & ram is stable?

Thank you.

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3 minutes ago, MadLover said:

The i9-9900k processor gives very high VCCIO & VCCSA voltage at 4000mhz (CL 17-17-17-37) ram auto tuning.

Set them both to about 1.25-1.3V max, then try reducing by little. 1.4 will kill your CPU soon. 4000 MHz DRAM speed usually does not require higher than 1.25V Vccsa and even lower Vccio.

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That's Asus BIOS right? duck you Asus

 

8 minutes ago, MadLover said:

when the manual voltage 2.00v.

CPU core voltage read by software in Windows shall never go past 1.4V (use HWinfo in sensor mode and find "VR Vout"). Learn to use loadline calibration btw (LLC)

 

8 minutes ago, MadLover said:

The processor is not running stable. How do I find the correct voltage?

Memory voltage max 1.5V, Vccsa max 1.3V, Vccio max 1.25V. You could just run the memory stick at whatever the stick is rated for, but I dont think you even need Vccsa and Vccio this high on Intel systems to run 4000MHz CL17

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

That's Asus BIOS right? duck you Asus

 

CPU core voltage read by software in Windows shall never go past 1.4V (use HWinfo in sensor mode and find "VR Vout"). Learn to use loadline calibration btw (LLC)

 

Memory voltage max 1.5V, Vccsa max 1.3V, Vccio max 1.25V. You could just run the memory stick at whatever the stick is rated for, but I dont think you even need Vccsa and Vccio this high on Intel systems to run 4000MHz CL17

 

Yes asus maximus xi hero motherboard.
LLC is set to 6.
VCCIO & VCCSA: I did 1.27v.

Should I enter the maximum values you specify?

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6 minutes ago, MadLover said:

Should I enter the maximum values you specify?

Yes, could back down later.

 

6 minutes ago, MadLover said:

LLC is set to 6.

point is use the level which leads to a little bit of voltage drop from idle to full load.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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47 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

That's Asus BIOS right? duck you Asus

 

CPU core voltage read by software in Windows shall never go past 1.4V (use HWinfo in sensor mode and find "VR Vout"). Learn to use loadline calibration btw (LLC)

 

Memory voltage max 1.5V, Vccsa max 1.3V, Vccio max 1.25V. You could just run the memory stick at whatever the stick is rated for, but I dont think you even need Vccsa and Vccio this high on Intel systems to run 4000MHz CL17

No Asus board supports VR VOUT from the Asus EC.  Asus doesn't use IR 35201.  Their Vcore sensor on the Maximus XI line already supports CPU differential on-die sense vcore anyway as shown here.

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/27686004-post2664.html

 

 

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1 minute ago, Falkentyne said:

Asus doesn't use IR 35201

I wonder how closely related the ASP 1405 is to the 35201, both from the same manufacturer.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I wonder how closely related the ASP 1405 is to the 35201, both from the same manufacturer.

The Digi+ ASP1405 is an IR 35201 ?  What?
Datasheet link please?

 

I can find the IR 35201 easily

 

https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-IR35201MTRPBF-DS-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=5546d462576f347501579c95d19772b5

 

I can find absolutely nothing on the Digi ASP thingy.

 

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I set the Bios VCCIO: 1.25 - VCCSA: 1.27 - Vcore 1.280 in this way.
But hwmonitor shows different. Which vcore undervoltage while others are rising.
Why would that be?

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42 minutes ago, Falkentyne said:

Datasheet link please?

Not available because Asus never publically released them. They however do the same thing (8+0 or 7+1 or 6+2 or less phases), has the same supported switching frequencies on boards, most importantly both compatible with IR 3599/3598 doublers. 

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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38 minutes ago, MadLover said:

I set the Bios VCCIO: 1.25 - VCCSA: 1.27 - Vcore 1.280 in this way.
But hwmonitor shows different. Which vcore undervoltage while others are rising.
Why would that be?

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Voltage sensors will NEVER show exactly what is set.

There is such a thing called sensor resolution (usually 12mv or 16mv), polling rates, as well as power plane resistance (impedance, as resistance is on an AC circuit), which causes variance in things.

 

Also please don't use HWmonitor.  It's total complete garbage.  The very fact that you see "TMPIN" should tell you that.

Use HWinfo64.

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I want to make stable ram and processor.
Which settings do I have to edit?

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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes, could back down later.

 

point is use the level which leads to a little bit of voltage drop from idle to full load.

 

  

17 minutes ago, Falkentyne said:

Voltage sensors will NEVER show exactly what is set.

There is such a thing called sensor resolution (usually 12mv or 16mv), polling rates, as well as power plane resistance (impedance, as resistance is on an AC circuit), which causes variance in things.

 

Also please don't use HWmonitor.  It's total complete garbage.  The very fact that you see "TMPIN" should tell you that.

Use HWinfo64.

thanks

 

I want to make stable ram and processor.
Which settings do I have to edit?

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3 minutes ago, MadLover said:

I want to make stable ram and processor.
Which settings do I have to edit?

Test and trail will determine the best stable settings. The easy way out is to remove the overclock completely and it will be stable.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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17 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Test and trail will determine the best stable settings. The easy way out is to remove the overclock completely and it will be stable.

I don't want the easy way. The motherboard is running 5ghz with 1,020v.
How much performance can I get? I think it's a terrible profile.
Because it works with llc4 low temperature is happening.

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26 minutes ago, MadLover said:

because it works with llc4 low temperature is happening.

LLC has no direct relationship to temperatures, but it could be too high that core voltage is actually rising from idle to load. Dont want that.

 

27 minutes ago, MadLover said:

How much performance can I get?

Maybe you can try 5GHz core and 4.7GHz cache or ring, see how much voltage you need (as reported by software in Windows) to stabilize that.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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On 11/23/2019 at 6:15 PM, Jurrunio said:

LLC has no direct relationship to temperatures, but it could be too high that core voltage is actually rising from idle to load. Dont want that.

 

Maybe you can try 5GHz core and 4.7GHz cache or ring, see how much voltage you need (as reported by software in Windows) to stabilize that.

thank you. i will try now

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