Amd system help

[WickedStarfish]

So for starters I don't have the first idea on amd cpu's and motherboards as this computer isnt for me (but I was asked if I could help build it). 

So I want to know if this motherboard (which was made for 2nd gen ryzens) will work with the 3600 (i believe), 

If it does work, what will I have to do to get it to work (I'm Guessing a bios update, which I'm not 100% sure on how to do and if I can update it with a 3rd gen ryzen inside) 

[Meganter]

10 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

So for starters I don't have the first idea on amd cpu's and motherboards as this computer isnt for me (but I was asked if I could help build it). 

So I want to know if this motherboard (which was made for 2nd gen ryzens) will work with the 3600 (i believe), 

If it does work, what will I have to do to get it to work (I'm Guessing a bios update, which I'm not 100% sure on how to do and if I can update it with a 3rd gen ryzen inside) 

What motherboard ?

 

Other than that, if you already have a 2nd gen AMD in it, you just need to update the bios so you can use a 3rd gen.

[WickedStarfish]

16 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

What motherboard ?

 

Other than that, if you already have a 2nd gen AMD in it, you just need to update the bios so you can use a 3rd gen.

sorry i thought i had included it, it is a Gigabyte B450-Gaming-X AM4 motherboard

thats the problem he got all of these parts new so there is no second gen ryzen to go in it

 

Just to clarrify i did not help him pick the parts, he came to me asking for help building it after he ordered the parts

[Meganter]

3 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

sorry i thought i had included it, it is a Gigabyte B450-Gaming-X AM4 motherboard

thats the problem he got all of these parts new so there is no second gen ryzen to go in it

 

Just to clarrify i did not help him pick the parts, he came to me asking for help building it after he ordered the parts

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-10#kf

 

It says it's Ryzen 3000 desktop ready so it should be good  

[WickedStarfish]

1 minute ago, Plouffe said:

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-10#kf

 

It says it's Ryzen 3000 desktop ready so it should be good  

i was looking at this website 

which only says 2000 series, there would be early stock (i dont know many people in australia with 2nd gen ryzen motherboards) that would not have the bios updated yet so if it arrives there could be a chance of it not having the right bios on it right?

 

also does AMD still do that upgrade thing (think it was called a boot kit) for people to update the bios and send the cpu back to them?

[GoldenLag]

9 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

Gigabyte B450-Gaming-X AM4 motherboard

doesnt have clear marking that its Bios has been updated, so unless its late stock, its unlikely to be working out of the box. 

 

and it doesnt have Q-flash+  to update the Bios. 

[WickedStarfish]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

doesnt have clear marking that its Bios has been updated, so unless its late stock, its unlikely to be working out of the box.

that was my concern as some websites say support up to 2nd gen and others say 3rd

 

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

and it doesnt have Q-flash+  to update the Bios. 

if you are refering to the boot kit thing, i thought they sent you like an Athlon to use to update the bios and then send back to them

[The Torrent]

41 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

So for starters I don't have the first idea on amd cpu's and motherboards as this computer isnt for me (but I was asked if I could help build it). 

So I want to know if this motherboard (which was made for 2nd gen ryzens) will work with the 3600 (i believe), 

If it does work, what will I have to do to get it to work (I'm Guessing a bios update, which I'm not 100% sure on how to do and if I can update it with a 3rd gen ryzen inside) 

You can often get the shop to update it for you for free.

[WickedStarfish]

Just now, The Torrent said:

You can often get the shop to update it for you for free.

if the parts were ordered online do you think that a local shop would do it for a small fee?

 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, WickedStarfish said:

also does AMD still do that upgrade thing (think it was called a boot kit) for people to update the bios and send the cpu back to them?

they do. 

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/9C97YJ/msi-b450m-gaming-plus-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-gaming-plus

this one has Bios Flashback to update with. 

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/kRTzK8/msi-b450m-pro-vdh-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro-vdh-max

this one has Bios out of the box. 

 

these ones also have the correct Bios out of the box:

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/kcCFf7/asrock-b450mac-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450mac

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/BHBhP6/msi-b450-gaming-plus-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-plus-max

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/h7WBD3/msi-b450m-mortar-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-mortar-max

 

[GoldenLag]

Just now, WickedStarfish said:

if the parts were ordered online do you think that a local shop would do it for a small fee?

 

depends on the stre, but probably, 

 

would just look at the many better board that do have the Bios updated that i posted above. 

[WickedStarfish]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

depends on the stre, but probably, 

 

would just look at the many better board that do have the Bios updated that i posted above. 

thats the problem the friend just payed for the parts without asking someone if it is ok

there has been a number of problems that i have pointed out so far with the parts he ordered

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

thats the problem the friend just payed for the parts without asking someone if it is ok

there has been a number of problems that i have pointed out so far with the parts he ordered

refund then. 

 

there shouldnt be an issue stopping the order in most places. 

[WickedStarfish]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

refund then. 

 

there shouldnt be an issue stopping the order in most places. 

i assume that the order has shipped as the friend said its on the way

[Mark Kaine]

Yeap that's one of the problems with AMD Ryzen builds,  they don't even tell you if the parts are  compatible. 

 

I've seen this multiple times,  one site tells you "RYZEN 3000 READY" while other sites will tell you "1st and 2nd gen Ryzen"...

 

Honestly I'd call the manufacturer at this point and ask to clear up the confusion.

[WickedStarfish]

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

Yeap that's one of the problems with AMD Ryzen builds,  they don't even tell you if the parts are  compatible. 

 

I've seen this multiple times,  one site tells you "RYZEN 3000 READY" while other sites will tell you "1st and 2nd gen Ryzen"...

 

Honestly I'd call the manufacturer at this point and ask to clear up the confusion.

it wouldnt be the manufacturer as they would ask for the unique motherboard id and then tell you if it left with the newest bios, and from what i understand it would be easier at that point to just plug it in with the 3rd gen and see if it works and if it doesnt then you know it if it does or does not

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Honestly I'd call the manufacturer at this point and ask to clear up the confusion.

if it has the sticker on the box, then its actually ready. 

 

the manufacturer having it on their website means nothing as its a Bios thing. 

[Mark Kaine]

3 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

it wouldnt be the manufacturer as they would ask for the unique motherboard id and then tell you if it left with the newest bios, and from what i understand it would be easier at that point to just plug it in with the 3rd gen and see if it works and if it doesnt then you know it if it does or does not

No, I think you should call the manufacturer and ask. 

 

But you do you. 

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

if it has the sticker on the box, then its actually ready. 

Well, if it has this sticker then I honestly don't understand the purpose of this thread - I suppose it doesn't have the sticker and yes it's very likely they need a bios update then. At which point I'd ask why not get an actually fully compatible out of the box motherboard instead. 

[WickedStarfish]

3 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

No, I think you should call the manufacturer and ask. 

 

But you do you. 

as this motherboard came out before and after the release of the bios (i think its like T40 that supports 3rd gen) they would need to know the specific board so they could narrow down when it was released from them to determine if it had the new bios, meaning they would need the ID that would be on the motherboard somewhere which is a tad hard to get when it isnt here yet, same as calling the retailer as it left there already and they would not remember everything about the box

[Mark Kaine]

14 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

which is a tad hard to get when it isnt here yet

That's true, I'm unaware you already mentioned that though,  sorry if I missed it. 

[WickedStarfish]

Just now, Mark Kaine said:

That's true, I'm unaware you already mentioned that though,  sorry if I missed it. 

its all good

[The Torrent]

7 hours ago, WickedStarfish said:

if the parts were ordered online do you think that a local shop would do it for a small fee?

 

I ordered mine online but i phoned them up and asked them to do it.

 

Im not sure about a local shop, some boards require a 2000 series cpu to be inserted however some just have a button so it also depends on your board.