New Builder Looking for Suggestions

[Syncopala]

I am a new PC builder, as in this my first build. Before now I have played exclusively on workstations and pre-built systems from Walmart. I actually had that OverPowered PC thing Walmart built that they reviewed a while back. Anyway I recently came into some money and have set aside a bit of it for my first build. Using PCPartPicker and a liberal use of the internet I have come up with this after a few hours. I have $4k at most I can put into it as my budget. It will mostly be used for gaming, and not streaming or recording video of me gaming either. I will also say right now that I am not a big into computers like most of you guys, I couldn't tell a memory card from a graphics card if my life depended on it. So dont be to surprised if I ask a lot of questions. Take a look and hope to hear from some of y'all soon.

[Meganter]

Hello and welcome,

 

12 minutes ago, Syncopala said:

I couldn't tell a memory card from a graphics card if my life depended on it.

Yes you could make the difference  

 

 

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PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i7-9700F 3 GHz 8-Core Processor	$322.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	Enermax Liqtech II 280 80.71 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$114.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$229.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$189.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate IronWolf NAS 6 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$134.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Video Card	$499.99 @ Best Buy
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400 ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$74.98 @ Newegg
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$98.99 @ Amazon
Sound Card	Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card	$59.99 @ Amazon
Wired Network Adapter	Intel E1G42ETBLK PCIe x4 1000 Mbit/s Network Adapter	$48.00 @ Amazon
Wireless Network Adapter	Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter	$58.29 @ Amazon
Monitor	AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	$144.99 @ Amazon
Monitor	AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	$144.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2223.15
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2203.15
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-19 04:40 EST-0500

 

You don't need Wireless or an adapter since it's already a Wireless motherboard, you don't need a sound card either.

No SSD is a no go too.

You can get W10 key from eBay for 10$ instead.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$326.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler	$74.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$149.99 @ Newegg
Storage	HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$114.97 @ Amazon
Storage	Toshiba X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$109.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$699.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$74.98 @ Newegg
Monitor	MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor	$418.98 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2290.77
	Mail-in rebates	-$50.00
	Total	$2240.77
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-19 04:48 EST-0500

 

Better build overall with an UW 1440p monitor instead.

[Syncopala]

2 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

Hello and welcome,

 

Yes you could make the difference  

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i7-9700F 3 GHz 8-Core Processor	$322.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	Enermax Liqtech II 280 80.71 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$114.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$229.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$189.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate IronWolf NAS 6 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$134.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Video Card	$499.99 @ Best Buy
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400 ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$74.98 @ Newegg
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$98.99 @ Amazon
Sound Card	Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card	$59.99 @ Amazon
Wired Network Adapter	Intel E1G42ETBLK PCIe x4 1000 Mbit/s Network Adapter	$48.00 @ Amazon
Wireless Network Adapter	Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter	$58.29 @ Amazon
Monitor	AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	$144.99 @ Amazon
Monitor	AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	$144.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2223.15
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2203.15
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-19 04:40 EST-0500

You don't need Wireless or an adapter since it's already a Wireless motherboard, you don't need a sound card either.

No SSD is a no go too.

You can get W10 key from eBay for 10$ instead.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$326.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler	$74.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$149.99 @ Newegg
Storage	HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$114.97 @ Amazon
Storage	Toshiba X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$109.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$699.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$74.98 @ Newegg
Monitor	MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor	$418.98 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2290.77
	Mail-in rebates	-$50.00
	Total	$2240.77
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-19 04:48 EST-0500

 

Better build overall with an UW 1440p monitor instead.

Would I still need a sound card in that second list? Or are we just using the one I already have picked out?

[Meganter]

9 minutes ago, Syncopala said:

Would I still need a sound card in that second list? Or are we just using the one I already have picked out?

You don't need a sound card either.

 

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https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/specifications/

 

Realtek® ALC S1200A 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
Audio Feature :
- Exclusive DTS Custom for GAMING Headsets.
- Audio Shielding: Ensures precision analog/digital separation and greatly reduced multi-lateral interference
- Dedicated audio PCB layers: Separate layers for left and right channels to guard the quality of the sensitive audio signals
- Premium Japanese audio capacitors: Provide warm, natural and immersive sound with exceptional clarity and fidelity
- Audio Cover: Effective shielding preserves the integrity of audio signals to ensure best quality.

 

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

I suggest watching Anthony's video about GPUs on different price points. Seeing a $4k budget, you can comfortably fit a 2080 Ti, 3900x and 4K144Hz monitor in there.

[Syncopala]

1 minute ago, Grayxol said:

I suggest watching Anthony's video about GPUs on different price points. Seeing a $4k budget, you can comfortably fit a 2080 Ti, 3900x and 4K144Hz monitor in there.

Like, added in or replaced?

 

3 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

You don't need a sound card either.

 

 

Oh alright then. About the monitor upgrade, is there a reason for it? Not that im saying I wont since it really didnt up the grand total by much but I never thought better monitors were well...better other than the fact they were newer

[Meganter]

4 minutes ago, Grayxol said:

I suggest watching Anthony's video about GPUs on different price points. Seeing a $4k budget, you can comfortably fit a 2080 Ti, 3900x and 4K144Hz monitor in there.

Yeah but with that build he wouldn't spend almost 1800$ in tacos.

 

Also this build will last easily 5 years anyway without breaking the bank.

[Meganter]

Just now, Syncopala said:

Oh alright then. About the monitor upgrade, is there a reason for it? Not that im saying I wont since it really didnt up the grand total by much but I never thought better monitors were well...better other than the fact they were newer

Yeah I put it for the fun and it was still within the initial budget, you can go dual with one 1440p 144Hz (game) and one 1080p 60Hz (browzing etc) instead.

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

At a budget of $4000, things are way open for you than most:
- 2TB or larger Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD or Corsair MP600 if you have an X570 motherboard
- Trident Z Royal 64GB DDR4-3600 Kit
- High Quality X570/Z390 Motherboard with excellent VRMs (although I strongly suggest the X570 since AMD is steamrolling Intel right now in most cases)
- A 2080 Ti or possibly even a Titan RTX would comfortably fit in there without issues.
- Either an Intel i9-9900K/KS or AMD Ryzen 9 3900x (or 3950x if you can wait another week)
- A high quality 360mm AIO cooler
- An excellent case from be quiet!
- A high quality fully modular >850W Power Supply
- Logitech G Pro wireless peripherals (or even a Logitech G935 Headset if you have leftover cash)
- if you have a grand or more left you can use it to buy a 4K 144Hz or better monitor.
 

[Syncopala]

3 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

Yeah I put it for the fun and it was still within the initial budget, you can go dual with one 1440p 144Hz (game) and one 1080p 60Hz (browzing etc) instead.

Okay then, that was why I had two bookmarked in the first place. One for gaming and one for browsing or something.

11 minutes ago, Grayxol said:

I suggest watching Anthony's video about GPUs on different price points. Seeing a $4k budget, you can comfortably fit a 2080 Ti, 3900x and 4K144Hz monitor in there.

What do GPU's do exactly?

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

1 minute ago, Syncopala said:

Okay then, that was why I had two bookmarked in the first place. One for gaming and one for browsing or something.

What do GPU's do exactly?

If you want to game at 60+ fps in 4K resolution, the burden is carried by the GPU. Fortunately your budget is big enough to accommodate either a Titan RTX or 2080 Ti (THE best cards right now) which can run ANY game silky smooth. They also offer ray tracing which adds more reflections (although at the moment only a few games support it) at the cost of fps. Basically, the GPU handles much of the work for processing video game graphics and pumping out frames (or even rendering but I suggest getting a Quadro for anything more than casual)

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

Just now, Grayxol said:

If you want to game at 60+ fps in 4K resolution, the burden is carried by the GPU. Fortunately your budget is big enough to accommodate either a Titan RTX or 2080 Ti (THE best cards right now) which can run ANY game silky smooth. They also offer ray tracing which adds more reflections (although at the moment only a few games support it) at the cost of fps. Basically, the GPU handles much of the work for processing video game graphics and pumping out frames (or even rendering but I suggest getting a Quadro for anything more than casual)

Can you tell me what games you are planning to play?

[Syncopala]

Just now, Grayxol said:

If you want to game at 60+ fps in 4K resolution, the burden is carried by the GPU. Fortunately your budget is big enough to accommodate either a Titan RTX or 2080 Ti (THE best cards right now) which can run ANY game silky smooth. They also offer ray tracing which adds more reflections (although at the moment only a few games support it) at the cost of fps. Basically, the GPU handles much of the work for processing video game graphics and pumping out frames (or even rendering but I suggest getting a Quadro for anything more than casual)

Alright then, so I guess I want one of the good ones then. Would the fan Plouffe recommended be good enough for one of the ones you suggested. My fan sounds like a helicopter starting up Age of Empires II.

[Syncopala]

Just now, Grayxol said:

Can you tell me what games you are planning to play?

Ah, yeah most of the AAA single player games like GTA V, RDR2, and even the Witcher III. I also have Total War Warhammer and the number of individual units chugs my computer hard on medium settings.

[Meganter]

11 minutes ago, Syncopala said:

Okay then, that was why I had two bookmarked in the first place. One for gaming and one for browsing or something.

Yes you will have better FPS in game too since it's 1080p compared to 1440p UW.

 

11 minutes ago, Syncopala said:

What do GPU's do exactly?

I'm going to quote wikipedia :

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A graphics processing unit (GPU) is a specialized electronic circuit designed to rapidly manipulate and alter memory to accelerate the creation of images in a frame buffer intended for output to a display device. GPUs are used in embedded systems, mobile phones, personal computers, workstations, and game consoles. Modern GPUs are very efficient at manipulating computer graphics and image processing. Their highly parallel structure makes them more efficient than general-purpose central processing units (CPUs) for algorithms that process large blocks of data in parallel. In a personal computer, a GPU can be present on a video card or embedded on the motherboard. In certain CPUs, they are embedded on the CPU die.

So the more powerfull, the more FPS you will have, hence the 2080Ti over the 2080S.

 

 

Note that it's around 500$ more for a gain of 10FPS (average over 8 games) in 1080p/1440p/2160p. 

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

that won't matter much as these (and most other third party) graphics cards come with 2 or more fans. Top models even have custom waterblocks, meaning that they won't necessarily need additional case fans as they cool themselves.

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

1 minute ago, Syncopala said:

Ah, yeah most of the AAA single player games like GTA V, RDR2, and even the Witcher III. I also have Total War Warhammer and the number of individual units chugs my computer hard on medium settings.

Unsurprisingly those games are very taxing on the GPU, especially in 4K. However, a 2080 TI can comfortably run all of them at 60 fps on max settings. If you want more fps though, tune it down to 1440p. Don't bother going down to 1080p unless you want ludicrous amounts of frames.

[Syncopala]

Just now, Grayxol said:

that won't matter much as these (and most other third party) graphics cards come with 2 or more fans. Top models even have custom waterblocks, meaning that they won't necessarily need additional case fans as they cool themselves.

Got it. so certainly splurge a bit on the GPU. Should I get 2? Cause I think people talk about duel core stuff for better fps and what not.

 

Also im gonna guess the 4TB is more than enough for most games as well? I know 4TB is a lot but modern games are kinda gigantic with all the textures and whatnot.

[Meganter]

15 minutes ago, Grayxol said:

At a budget of $4000, things are way open for you than most:
- 2TB or larger Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD or Corsair MP600 if you have an X570 motherboard
- Trident Z Royal 64GB DDR4-3600 Kit
- High Quality X570/Z390 Motherboard with excellent VRMs (although I strongly suggest the X570 since AMD is steamrolling Intel right now in most cases)
- A 2080 Ti or possibly even a Titan RTX would comfortably fit in there without issues.
- Either an Intel i9-9900K/KS or AMD Ryzen 9 3900x (or 3950x if you can wait another week)
- A high quality 360mm AIO cooler
- An excellent case from be quiet!
- A high quality fully modular >850W Power Supply
- Logitech G Pro wireless peripherals (or even a Logitech G935 Headset if you have leftover cash)
- if you have a grand or more left you can use it to buy a 4K 144Hz or better monitor.

So overkill...

[Syncopala]

I also hear alot about power supply wattage. I assume the more wattage the better?

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

Just now, Syncopala said:

Got it. so certainly splurge a bit on the GPU. Should I get 2? Cause I think people talk about duel core stuff for better fps and what not.

 

Also im gonna guess the 4TB is more than enough for most games as well? I know 4TB is a lot but modern games are kinda gigantic with all the textures and whatnot.

No, no. Dual core is for CPUs (processors) and they have gone obsolete for gaming. For example, today's best CPUs like the Intel i9-9900KS and AMD Ryzen 9 3900x have 8 cores and 12 cores respectively. Also, for perspective, GTA 5 is 80GB, and RDR2 is 105GB on the PS4. You can't really go wrong with 2TB. 4TB if you handle heavy workloads.

 

From what you're saying though, it's SLI, which is exclusive to top-of-the-line Nvidia cards. For $1299 RTX 2080 Ti cards, high-budget enthusiasts mostly settle on two of them connected by a SLI High-Bandwidth bridge. Remember though that it only applies for CERTAIN but not all games.

[Syncopala]

I think if one GPU is gonna run most games smoothly Ill just go with one

[BraveCowardlyPancake]

3 minutes ago, Syncopala said:

I also hear alot about power supply wattage. I assume the more wattage the better?

look at the upper right of your PCPartPicker page. you will see an estimated wattage which will say about how much power your system will need. Go for 100W more than that for added security but don't go crazy. 850W is enough for a 2080 Ti, and 1000W is enough for two of them in SLI. This applies to the whole system in general since the GPU mostly taxes the most on power draw.

[Meganter]

2 minutes ago, Syncopala said:

I also hear alot about power supply wattage. I assume the more wattage the better?

Nope, there are trash 1000w PSU and excellent 450w PSU.

[Meganter]

Just now, Grayxol said:

look at the upper right of your PCPartPicker page. you will see an estimated wattage which will say about how much power your system will need. Go for 100W more than that for added security but don't go crazy. 850W is enough for a 2080 Ti, and 1000

550/650w is enough for a 9900k+2080Ti.