Price/Performance Motherboard

[TomHaws]

Hei, tell me the best price/performance motherboard for my Ryzen9 3900x + Gskill TridentZ 32gb, dual channel 3600mhz 16cl 16-16-16-36. I need a pcli-e 4.0 support also for M.2 and GPU and also WiFi included. With overclocking needs up to 4.3 + SLI dual GPU support. 

 

Thanks! 

[Meganter]

11 minutes ago, TomHaws said:

Hei, tell me the best price/performance motherboard for my Ryzen9 3900x + Gskill TridentZ 32gb, dual channel 3600mhz 16cl 16-16-16-36. I need a pcli-e 4.0 support also for M.2 and GPU and also WiFi included. With overclocking needs up to 4.3 + SLI dual GPU support. 

 

Thanks! 

Hello,

 

The Aorus Pro Wi-Fi.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4qsnTW/gigabyte-x570-aorus-pro-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-pro-wifi

[Streetguru]

17 minutes ago, TomHaws said:

Hei, tell me the best price/performance motherboard for my Ryzen9 3900x + Gskill TridentZ 32gb, dual channel 3600mhz 16cl 16-16-16-36. I need a pcli-e 4.0 support also for M.2 and GPU and also WiFi included. With overclocking needs up to 4.3 + SLI dual GPU support. 

 

Thanks! 

Is that 2 sticks of RAM for 4 sticks? Harder to run 4 sticks at higher frequencies. Can also maybe just overclock 3200mhz RAM if it's much cheaper.

 

But ya the like $199 Gigabyte or ASUS boards

If you're trying to hit that frequency you may need a big custom loop to keep temps as low as possible.
 

 

[Juular]

All X570 boards except for MSI are equal performance wise. MSI has problems with VRM thermals on sub 300$ boards so they're not very fit for Ryzen 9. And despite Gigabyte has good VRM they have 16MB ROM on entire X570 lineup, even those top-tier 400$ boards, just shame. So anything ATX from ASUS or ASRock will be good, the differences between cheaper 130$ models and ~200$ models would be just in the amount of USB ports and aesthetics.

 

But cooling system is actually equally important, if this is not a gaming machine (see, low-load) then you need some huge air cooler (Noctua NH-D15) or 280mm AIO to keep temperatures down as Ryzen's boost algo are highly temperature dependent, optimal temperatures would be no higher than 70°C under load.

 

TLDR: If you're in US then ASUS TUF for 180$.

[GoldenLag]

17 minutes ago, Juular said:

And despite Gigabyte has good VRM they have 16MB ROM on entire X570 lineup, even those top-tier 400$ boards, just shame.

the size of the Bios matters because?

[TomHaws]

@Streetguru its a 2 chips of ram, that i said its dual channel.

[Meganter]

47 minutes ago, Juular said:

TLDR: If you're in US then ASUS TUF for 180$.

No SLI though.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, TomHaws said:

@Streetguru its a 2 chips of ram, that i said its dual channel.

Even if you used 4 sticks that would also be dual channel on that platform

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

No SLI though.

Nvidia doesn't even support SLI anymore lol

[Meganter]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Nvidia doesn't even support SLI anymore lol

But he wants SLI.

[Streetguru]

14 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

But he wants SLI.

If he's using 2 GPUs for gaming that is entirely pointless now

 

if he's using 2 GPUs for something like blender, that ignores SLI/NV link

[Juular]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

the size of the Bios matters because?

Because all the shitstorm around B450 boards at the Zen 2 launch, they had to rewrite BIOS to fit ever-bloated AGESA libs in 16MB ROM, cutting GUI and unessential features. That wouldn't be a problem if it didn't put more pressure on the development and testing teams, hence there were shitton of bugs. It's mostly okay now after half a year, but you don't want 16MB ROM on 200$ board that's supposed to be high-end and get the same problems or even worse with next gen CPUs support.

34 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

No SLI though.

13 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

If he's using 2 GPUs for gaming that is entirely pointless now

 

if he's using 2 GPUs for something like blender, that ignores SLI/NV link

Exactly. There's no point in SLI for gaming, and for workstation you don't need it either.

[Meganter]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

Exactly. There's no point in SLI for gaming, and for workstation you don't need it either.

I know but he wants it so I did what he asked.

[Juular]

4 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

I know but he wants it so I did what he asked.

Thing is, this SLI certification is mostly a gimmick. You can patch nVidia drivers so they'll ignore it and it'll work with any board. But ok, if they really need SLI then it's either 210$ Gigabyte Elite Wi-Fi or 280$ ASRock Taichi, not sure what i'd recommend, Gigabyte doesn't stand for this price and Taichi probably too expensive anyway.

[Meganter]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

Thing is, this SLI certification is mostly a gimmick. You can patch nVidia drivers so they'll ignore it and it'll work with any board. But ok, if they really need SLI then it's either 210$ Gigabyte Elite Wi-Fi or 280$ ASRock Taichi, not sure what i'd recommend, Gigabyte doesn't stand for this price and Taichi probably too expensive anyway.

Aorus Pro Wi-FI at 255€ too.

[Juular]

16 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

Aorus Pro Wi-FI at 255€ too.

Which is essentially Pro WiFi with more M.2 slots and stuff like that, even more overpriced.

Edit: Oh, it's actually the same 2x M.2 slots lol, just one heatsink more.

Taichi for 280$ at least has 3x M.2 and CMOS clear button on the I\O panel. Also POST code indicator and power\reset button on the board, those all gimmicks but it's 200$+ board, you expect them to be there for this price. Gigabyte boards for 200+$ are just no.

 

To clarify, i have nothing against Gigabyte per se, i had Z390 Pro Wifi board, it's good, definitely worth 180$ i've paid for it, but this X570 crap is overpriced (not only on Gigabyte side) and using 16MB ROM chip on high end boards has no excuse, especially when they're well aware of problems it would make in the future, not only for customers but for their UEFI team too.

[GoldenLag]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

Because all the shitstorm around B450 boards at the Zen 2 launch, they had to rewrite BIOS to fit ever-bloated AGESA libs in 16MB ROM, cutting GUI and unessential features. That wouldn't be a problem if it didn't put more pressure on the development and testing teams, hence there were shitton of bugs. It's mostly okay now after half a year, but you don't want 16MB ROM on 200$ board that's supposed to be high-end and get the same problems or even worse with next gen CPUs support.

Thats the size of the Rom. The chip can room 128 mb. I think you have misstaken one thing for another. 

 

If thats the issue, then the tomahawk max is under the same critism of yours as the rom is significantly smaller than the 128mb Bioschip

[Juular]

4 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Thats the size of the Rom. The chip can room 128 mb. I think you have misstaken one thing for another.

16 MB (megabytes) is 128 Mb (megabits).

4 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

If thats the issue, then the tomahawk max is under the same critism of yours as the rom is significantly smaller than the 128mb Bioschip

Exactly, all B450 boards had 16MB ROMs with the exception of MSI's MAX revisions and the sole difference of them are 32MB ROM.

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, Juular said:

16 MB (megabytes) is 128 Mb (megabits).

Exactly, all B450 boards had 16MB ROMs with the exception of MSI's MAX revisions and the sole difference of them are 32MB ROM.

oh, well ill be damned. 

 

but, at worst its an extra Bios update step. tho its not great. 

[Juular]

7 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

but, at worst its an extra Bios update step. tho its not great. 

No, BIOS update will be needed either way, but if AMD will keep bloating AGESA with backwards compatible code it may not fit in 16MB at all. Maybe they will make a version without old models support some day but who knows, maybe not.

[GoldenLag]

9 minutes ago, Juular said:

No, BIOS update will be needed either way, but if AMD will keep bloating AGESA with backwards compatible code it may not fit in 16MB at all. Maybe they will make a version without old models support some day but who knows, maybe not.

btw, 1st gen isnt in the X570 Agesa, so they have stopped supporting older CPUs. 

 

edti: or at least thats how it was last time i checked. they recently added APU support for Zen

[Juular]

6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

btw, 1st gen isnt in the X570 Agesa, so they have stopped supporting older CPUs. 

Yeah, and it still barely fits in 16MB ROM after cutting stuff out. Either way, i don't see the argument here anyway, SLI is pointless, and there's cheaper boards with 32MB ROM than Gigabyte ones. But if they really need SLI, assuming they have smth like 2x RTX2080S\2080 Ti after spending 2k+$ on the GPUs it may be worth getting 280$ ASRock Taichi then.