ENTER MAXWELL

[LOST TALE]

Lol didnt even talk about price per performance.

 

I give the same ammount of fucks as with 700 launch.. were the 680 became a 770 with a mere gpu limited NVIDIA *ment to be limited* boost 2.0

and it costed the same price.

 

they could dominate the world with rebadge. just some ads and it works!

Ment to rape idiots!*

 

Honestly at this point NVIDIA prices are the major reason im switching to AMD.

 

EDIT: Dam. Sorry for the double post.

the only thing nvidia new cards ever ocmpeted with, were the nvidia cards form last generation.

this is almost true.

680 vs 770

670vs 760

Titan vs 780 (ok there is a slight change here, lol)

[mr moose]

 

the only thing nvidia new cards ever ocmpeted with, were the nvidia cards form last generation.

this is almost true.

680 vs 770

670vs 760

Titan vs 780 (ok there is a slight change here, lol)

 

Exactly, Nvidia are hardly going to put out something better when it's only likely to damage sales of their existing cards than take sales from amd, So far it seems the only people who are buying AMD seem to be more concerned with price/performance ratios than just raw performance. I say this because nearly every recommendation for amd is along the lines of: "$$$$" or "I wanted the $$$"  and sometimes the reason includes $$$.

 

The other reason that Nvidia probably won't release a high end GPU anytime soon is that because whenever AMD release a new card Nvidia just seem to re-badge an old one and unlock a few more features and hey presto they have the fastest card again.  I kinda felt sorry for AMD with all the hype and buildup over what seemed like 6 months for the r series and then Nvidia simply release the 780ti and took the wind right out of all the hype. 

 

I really am rooting for the red team but you just gotta wonder what their game plan is.

[Ashaira]

I really am rooting for the red team but you just gotta wonder what their game plan is.

The plan is long term. Unlike NVIDIA who goes for imediat profit regardless.

[mr moose]

The plan is long term. Unlike NVIDIA who goes for imediat profit regardless.

I hope your right, and they aren't just still in damage control, And that's also assuming Nvidia don't already have their next GPU architecture (after maxwell) in planning if not at the design stages.

[Ashaira]

I hope your right, and they aren't just still in damage control, And that's also assuming Nvidia don't already have their next GPU architecture (after maxwell) in planning if not at the design stages.

 

By the time the generation after maxwell comes HSA will be mainstream and we will probably have 3d memory from AMD. There's only so much you can do without changing the core.

[LAwLz]

Well that sucks... Hopefully the wait will be worth it for when 20nm transistors start getting used.

[ajoy39]

This concerns me, not because of what these cards are, but because it was already rumored that both Nvidia and AMD are having some serious doubts about the viability of TSMCs 20nm process and this pretty much confirms it. We're now basically moving in to our third generation of the same process node with these cards even though they're branded as 700 series. Die shrinks are becoming increasingly hard and it seems Intel is the only ones that can really push past 28nm right now, and even they are having problems with 14nm

[Poofu]

not getting either but its cool to see what they're changing 

im gonna stick with my 780

[Guest]

Wait what? The 700s just came out wtf ;-;

Making my 660 feel old

They came bout a while ago

[Matthias2556]

i want the 860 to be priced at $200 and perform better than a 760. THEY CAN DO IT! 

760 performs like a 670 and is priced what, 100 dollars cheaper than a 670 was at launch? I DARE YOU NVIDIA!

[LOST TALE]

Exactly, Nvidia are hardly going to put out something better when it's only likely to damage sales of their existing cards than take sales from amd, So far it seems the only people who are buying AMD seem to be more concerned with price/performance ratios than just raw performance.

Lol people who dont buy by personal relevancy / price are ignorant. (this includes wealth relativity regarding purchases)

personal relevancy approchaes to quality/ price

did you even know that AMD has the fastest GPU for years.

and if you want to include nvidia optimisations. then AMD has had it for the past 1 year, almost. (hd7990)

Idiots looking at just performance would get a 1000$ gtx 680 and justify it that way. because lets say nvidia have the most powerfull gpu on the planet at arround 1,337x10^1337 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

''So you know it must be good and that it totally makes sense that more $$$$ = more performance ULTRA revolutionary logic'' especially when

 

Meanwhile AMD sells an equivalent (in everything)  to the 680 at only 300$

while mr. actually has some wisdom in his brain will get the 400$ 680 killer.

 

*numbers were exagerated, but represent the same logic that I have seen so many times.

 

If you just understood I called anyone an idiot maybe you should take syntax classes.

[mr moose]

Lol people who dont buy by personal relevancy / price are ignorant. (this includes wealth relativity regarding purchases)

personal relevancy approchaes to quality/ price

did you even know that AMD has the fastest GPU for years.

and if you want to include nvidia optimisations. then AMD has had it for the past 1 year, almost. (hd7990)

Idiots looking at just performance would get a 1000$ gtx 680 and justify it that way. because lets say nvidia have the most powerfull gpu on the planet at arround 1,337x10^1337 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

''So you know it must be good and that it totally makes sense that more $$$$ = more performance ULTRA revolutionary logic'' especially when

 

Meanwhile AMD sells an equivalent (in everything)  to the 680 at only 300$

while mr. actually has some wisdom in his brain will get the 400$ 680 killer.

 

*numbers were exagerated, but represent the same logic that I have seen so many times.

 

If you just understood I called anyone an idiot maybe you should take syntax classes.

 

 

 

People who don't care about cost and just want the best they can get are ignorant are they?  Sounds like you had to settle for second best and not entirely content about it.

[Admire]

I am simply not going to be able to win. I just started saving up for my first real build in a LOOONG time and will have 2500 ready in may/early june....So I will probably end up buying a 780 at the same price that it has today, only to get a high end 800 series card released in late 2014...ARgh!

 

There will always come new stuff but this is different. This is getting stuck right before a potential massive leap in performance.

 

Argh!

 

 

The plan is long term. Unlike NVIDIA who goes for imediat profit regardless.

 

I have generally been a bigger fan of Nvidia than AMD, but I really want the red team to do well. But if your assessment is right, that is a very dangerous strategy.

 

Because AMD has to survive short term in order to be anything long term and they are not exactly the wealthier side in the contest. I don't like that Nvidia is thinking profit so much but lets face it....The only reason Nvidia is able to do this is because AMD is simply too far behind the game. AMD has been forced to really stress their technology to get near nvidia levels of performance. Thats why we had to wait for non reference coolers to really have a card that can compete AND not get extremely hot.

 

I really want AMD to succeed because it will force nvidia to go balls to the wall. But I honestly don't think we can blame Nvidia when they aren't forced into delivering something more.

 

If this was the other way around and Nvidia released a new card, AMD could simply not just adjust a card they already have and then beat the card that Nvidia just released.

 

I want competition above all.......

[Hobox]

These aren't Maxwell GPU's and Maxwell isn't a "Kepler refresh". The 700 series was the refresh. Maxwell is by definition a different architecture and on the 20nm process.

[Admire]

These aren't Maxwell GPU's and Maxwell isn't a "Kepler refresh". The 700 series was the refresh. Maxwell is by definition a different architecture and on the 20nm process.

If thats the case, we won't see any maxwells until Q4. 20nm aren't ready before.

[catbutts]

Fuck sakes, im getting tired of this gtx 750 talk, comon, we want another high end card so that there is something to talk about..

Oh dangit, the Titan, 780, 780 Classified, 780 Ti, 780 Ti Classified, and even the dual 760 aren't enough for me still ! !

Yet when the next generation of cards comes out, I will feel pissed for buying the previous generation ! !

 

[pbenologa]

I hope if they release this 750/750Ti the price would be acceptable. Like around $120-$200(I just based it on the specs. ) 

[renz62]

Darn... i thought it would be the time to upgrade to a GTX 870 from my 2 generation old GTX 560

[lhikary]

my thread is in the wan show D:
thank you @Linus
and its L hikary  
http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Lan_Hikari

[TheProfosist]

Im interested For HTPC usage to replace my 650 Ti boost possibly and for my desktop to replace my 640v1 that runs my auxiliary monitors.

[Bonn]

I still think this is a very good move towards the next gen stuff. Considering the power consumption is 75W and powered by PCIE with no external power, with similar performance of the GK107. Imagine what we'll see with the 20NM drop?

Can't wait for 20NM leaks and teasers!

[yumri]

I hope your right, and they aren't just still in damage control, And that's also assuming Nvidia don't already have their next GPU architecture (after maxwell) in planning if not at the design stages.

really nVidia already has what they will use AFTER Maxwell in design stages and the only problem with the Maxwell architecture is getting it made which is hard to do in the physical world but it runs wonderous in the vitural world and in prototypes. So really whatever " jump " AMD makes nVidia can just make a simular jump higher than AMD will with their virtual unified memory, 3D memory stacking, and hypothezies about how to stack GPUs one ontop or one below the other.  nVidia is worlds ahead of what we see but they are told by marcketing, PR, and their legal department that they cannot just crush AMD in graphics as for marcketing it would not look good if nVidia has to wait a few years to come out with their next line, PR becuase it will get hard to create hype for a year+ old GPU even if it is better all around though missing the latest and greatest software built into it, and the legal department saying that they cannot crush AMD into the ground and become a monoploy as being a monoploy is illegal in the USA thus they are not willing to give up one of the 2 largest markets in the world.

 

This concerns me, not because of what these cards are, but because it was already rumored that both Nvidia and AMD are having some serious doubts about the viability of TSMCs 20nm process and this pretty much confirms it. We're now basically moving in to our third generation of the same process node with these cards even though they're branded as 700 series. Die shrinks are becoming increasingly hard and it seems Intel is the only ones that can really push past 28nm right now, and even they are having problems with 14nm

basicly physics like Intel said when they hit a way at 32nm core size but then came up with a new way of just shoveing something on all 4 sides of the 2D die to make it have less leakage and be able to go down to 22nm and hopefully 14nm this year. Now how that applys to nVidia and AMD is both Intels and AMD use central processor units with use the same material as nVidia and AMD are using in GPUs so all 3 of them can only get so small until they will have to 1 not go any smaller or 2 change materials to another to go smaller which in turn will up the cost of the CPU in addition to the ussual uped cost of building a new manufacturing plant to work at the smaller size. The reason why GPU cores are still bigger than CPU cores is becuase each GPU has hundeds more cores than a single CPU which makes the GPU faster in rendering but in that they do have to prevent electrical leakage from one core to the next in all of it which when there are more cores you have more protenial for leakage and sense AMD and nVidia use totally differnet kinds of cores from one another they cannot just share R&D with one another like AMD and Intel have done at times to advace along the way to making a better CPU for us all though ussualy AMD either shareing and/or leaseing technology to Intel and not the other way around even though it does happen sometimes just not as often.

[mr moose]

really nVidia already has what they will use AFTER Maxwell in design stages and the only problem with the Maxwell architecture is getting it made which is hard to do in the physical world but it runs wonderous in the vitural world and in prototypes. So really whatever " jump " AMD makes nVidia can just make a simular jump higher than AMD will with their virtual unified memory, 3D memory stacking, and hypothezies about how to stack GPUs one ontop or one below the other.  nVidia is worlds ahead of what we see but they are told by marcketing, PR, and their legal department that they cannot just crush AMD in graphics as for marcketing it would not look good if nVidia has to wait a few years to come out with their next line, PR becuase it will get hard to create hype for a year+ old GPU even if it is better all around though missing the latest and greatest software built into it, and the legal department saying that they cannot crush AMD into the ground and become a monoploy as being a monoploy is illegal in the USA thus they are not willing to give up one of the 2 largest markets in the world.

 

 

 

 

They couldn't just crush AMD, even if they released everything they are working on right now as market ready products, the market cannot sustain the prices they would have to charge in order to maintain the viability of the R+D they put in to both maxwell and anything else they have on the drawing board.  My comment was merely that at the moment (mainly due to their financial advantage) Nvidia are not struggling and aren't playing catchup with the market, they have reserves to rest on.