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Asus PRIME B450-PLUS - CPU and RAM inquiries

Hi everyone,

 

My old PC is finally kicking the bucket so I'm looking for something new. I'm not the biggest gamer and I just want a good stable build for day to day work and a Plex media server.

I decided to go with AMD Ryzen 5 (3600) and as such I've settled on the Asus PRIME B450-PLUS motherboard.

From what I looked into, I'll need a gen 2 processor to update the bios before I can use the 3600. Doable. Not fun but at least I found out in advance so I don't go mad on my first day.

 

What I need your help and opinion with, is the RAM.

I decided to go with Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB DDR4 3000MHz CL15 Dual Channel Kit.

The motherboard says it's compatible up to 3200MHz RAM but as an OC. (Asus B450 specs for RAM >>>> 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz)

Will I be able to boot with the RAM sticks on the first run or do I need to borrow a lower frequency stick from someone, do some Bios configuration and then add my 3000 RAM?

 

I would really appreciate your input on this so I know how to manage my expectations and organize my build.

Thank you in advance!

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6 minutes ago, caspeer_costel said:

Will I be able to boot with the RAM sticks on the first run or do I need to borrow a lower frequency stick from someone, do some Bios configuration and then add my 3000 RAM?

yes.

the dimms will default to 2133 as long as XMP/D.O.C.P. is disabled.

once enabled, your board should detect the correct speed and run your ram at that speed.

My Rig / Buildlogs:  ❄️ SNOWFLAKE ❄️ FROSTBITE ❄️

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600   Cooler: Corsair H115i Platinum   RAM: Corsair Vengence RGB Pro 16GB @3200   Mobo: Asus Prime X470 Pro

Graphics Card: Gigabyte Aorus 2080super Waterforce    Case: Corsair 500D   PSU: Corsair HX850i

Storage: 500GB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 2x 1TB SATA SSD

Displays: AOC CQ32G1 32" 2560x1440, Acer XB280HK 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz, Medion MD20850 24" 2560x1440

 

 

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8 minutes ago, caspeer_costel said:

Asus PRIME B450-PLUS

Garbage board btw, power delivery is awful to the point that the 3600 is the fastest CPU I'll put in its CPU socket

 

9 minutes ago, caspeer_costel said:

Will I be able to boot with the RAM sticks on the first run or do I need to borrow a lower frequency stick from someone, do some Bios configuration and then add my 3000 RAM?

It will run 2133MHz by default.

 

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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16 minutes ago, caspeer_costel said:

I've settled on the Asus PRIME B450-PLUS motherboard

 

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Garbage board btw, power delivery is awful to the point that the 3600 is the fastest CPU I'll put in its CPU socket

if that is the case you can get the MSI Tomahawk MAX B450.

should be around 100€ and already comes with the updated bios for Ryzen 3000 cpus. just be sure to get the MAX version of that board.

My Rig / Buildlogs:  ❄️ SNOWFLAKE ❄️ FROSTBITE ❄️

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600   Cooler: Corsair H115i Platinum   RAM: Corsair Vengence RGB Pro 16GB @3200   Mobo: Asus Prime X470 Pro

Graphics Card: Gigabyte Aorus 2080super Waterforce    Case: Corsair 500D   PSU: Corsair HX850i

Storage: 500GB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 2x 1TB SATA SSD

Displays: AOC CQ32G1 32" 2560x1440, Acer XB280HK 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz, Medion MD20850 24" 2560x1440

 

 

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4 minutes ago, LauriHimself said:

 

if that is the case you can get the MSI Tomahawk MAX B450.

should be around 100€ and already comes with the updated bios for Ryzen 3000 cpus. just be sure to get the MAX version of that board.

even the non-MAX versions are fine, just update the BIOS right away

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

even the non-MAX versions are fine, just update the BIOS right away

of course, i just suggested the max because 

22 minutes ago, caspeer_costel said:

I'll need a gen 2 processor to update the bios before I can use the 3600. Doable. Not fun but at least I found out in advance

so i thought i may aswell give him an option to spare the "hassle"

should have mentioned the non max though, my apologies

My Rig / Buildlogs:  ❄️ SNOWFLAKE ❄️ FROSTBITE ❄️

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600   Cooler: Corsair H115i Platinum   RAM: Corsair Vengence RGB Pro 16GB @3200   Mobo: Asus Prime X470 Pro

Graphics Card: Gigabyte Aorus 2080super Waterforce    Case: Corsair 500D   PSU: Corsair HX850i

Storage: 500GB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 2x 1TB SATA SSD

Displays: AOC CQ32G1 32" 2560x1440, Acer XB280HK 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz, Medion MD20850 24" 2560x1440

 

 

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8 minutes ago, LauriHimself said:

so i thought i may aswell give him an option to spare the "hassle"

the standard Tomahawk (as well as the other MSI B450 ATX non MAX boards) can literally flash the BIOS without a CPU

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

the standard Tomahawk (as well as the other MSI B450 ATX non MAX boards) can literally flash the BIOS without a CPU

aaah, i see. the more you know. never had to do it on one of those so i wasn't aware of that. thx again

My Rig / Buildlogs:  ❄️ SNOWFLAKE ❄️ FROSTBITE ❄️

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600   Cooler: Corsair H115i Platinum   RAM: Corsair Vengence RGB Pro 16GB @3200   Mobo: Asus Prime X470 Pro

Graphics Card: Gigabyte Aorus 2080super Waterforce    Case: Corsair 500D   PSU: Corsair HX850i

Storage: 500GB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe SSD, 2x 1TB SATA SSD

Displays: AOC CQ32G1 32" 2560x1440, Acer XB280HK 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz, Medion MD20850 24" 2560x1440

 

 

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Uhhh, Asus flashback doesn't actually need a cpu installed to flash the BIOS, he won't even need to get a gen 2 Ryzen to do it.

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Hi everyone,

 

I really do appreciate all your help with figuring things out.

1. Can someone find an official mentioning for Asus PRIME B450-PLUS having flashback support? I can't really find it written anywhere.

2. Thanks for the suggestion for MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX. Doesn't look that different and at least this one has flashback. I may go with this.

 

PS: Not planning a more powerful CPU in the next 5 years or so.

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Hi everyone,

 

Ignore the previous post since it no longer matters. Found a deal for a brand new open box MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX and I ordered that.

I appreciate everyone's input.

 

Thanks for all your help!

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