2700X High Temps

[Robdawg98]

Hey everyone, I’ve tried looking around and using all the solutions I’ve seen on other people’s posts but nothing is helping.

 

I just installed a new Ryzen 7 2700x in my PC, it was the only thing I changed and now my idle temps are running 55-65 and fluctuate very quickly. They’ll be 55 then 65 in a second and slowly come down to 55 and jump up again. If I run cinebench 20 then my temp hits 80-85 and I see that the core lock drops to 3650. These temps are from both CAM and Ryzen Master.

 

 I am using an AIO from NZXT but I reapplied new thermaltake thermal paste. I have the radiator front mounted as intake and I have too and rear exhaust. The software for the AIO says the liquid is 34c but CPU will be at 65c.

 

Bios and windows are up to date. I might just be paranoid but these temps seem really high especially since I’m hitting 85 on cinebench at barely 3650.

 

CPU: Ryzen 7 2700x

MoBo: MSI Pro Gaming Carbon x370

GPU: EVGA 2060 XC ULTRA 

CPU Cooler: NZXT X52 AIO 240MM

Case: NZXT S340 ELITE

[5x5]

That's high for a 240mm AIO. Reset CMOS and make sure you're not overvolting as is typical for 300 series MSI

[ckinfos]

aio temp is irrelevant at this case. 65c is good temp for a load of a game and other medium cpu tasks. 85 is a good temp for the push it gets fro mthe cinebench. Check if your other fans in case is working, Try running the pc with open sidecovers and check. Always leaving it to cool 1st. New paste applied requires 3-4 usages of the pc to perform. Check if you plugged the heatsing correctly the second time.

[Derrk]

2700x on auto-voltage runs up around 1.45v which is too high and can cause those heat spikes. i'd recommend checking at your voltages, and setting your voltage and frequencies manually if your comfortable with it. 

 

there should be plenty of youtube videos from other techtubers if you're uncertain 

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

New paste applied requires 3-4 usages of the pc to perform.

what on earth are you on about?

3 minutes ago, Derrk said:

2700x on auto-voltage runs up around 1.45v which is too high and can cause those heat spikes

thats for singelcore and the 2700x doesnt have the heat density issure the 3700x has. also voltage is fine. the temps her are seeing are high for the CPU and cooling he is running. 

[WoodenMarker]

What rpm are the fans and pump running at?

 

Moved to Liquid and Exotic Cooling. 

[ckinfos]

6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

what on earth are you on about?

thats for singelcore and the 2700x doesnt have the heat density issure the 3700x has. also voltage is fine. the temps her are seeing are high for the CPU and cooling he is running. 

i meant that thermal paste requires a bit of usage for it ot act thermally correctly and as meant by the manufacturer specifications. You change tires in a car but dont expect them to act correctly/as meant to before running some miles with them!

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, ckinfos said:

i meant that thermal paste requires a bit of usage for it ot act thermally correctly and as meant by the manufacturer specifications. You change tires in a car but dont expect them to act correctly/as meant to before running some miles with them!

Tires are supposed to act normally since day 1.

 

When you swap tires its usually good to have a run-in trip to then re-tighten the wheels. Nothing about the tired not acting well since day 1. 

 

Thermal paste is not like car tires. Its a compound that transfers heat. No chemical reactions or evaporation would need to happen for optmial thermal transfer. Im fact regular thermal paste is non-reactive, an insulator and gets worse when the physical properties change. Like when it dries after 6 years of usage. 

 

If that was the case it would be labeled on every tube of thermal paste, but thats not the case. 

[5x5]

4 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

i meant that thermal paste requires a bit of usage for it ot act thermally correctly and as meant by the manufacturer specifications. You change tires in a car but dont expect them to act correctly/as meant to before running some miles with them!

Both of these statements are utterly incorrect. Please.dont make random false claims about thing you clearly have no experience with. Tyres don't magically alter when you drive the car. Paste won't become good by burning it. 

[Derrk]

21 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

thats for singelcore and the 2700x doesnt have the heat density issure the 3700x has. also voltage is fine. the temps her are seeing are high for the CPU and cooling he is running. 

does ryzen auto-voltage only apply to single core? when i got mine, i spent a good afternoon tuning in a manual OC because 1.45 worried me a bit. my temps are a lot better than OPs, but i'm also on 2x360 rads. its not like 85c is that bad as an upper bound, but my 2700x's idle temps did seem a bit extreme before i set it manually

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Derrk said:

does ryzen auto-voltage only apply to single core?

Isnt his CPU set to auto. As in stock with perhaps PBO enabled?

 

Or have i missed something

 

Auto-voltage on Manual OC is like allways garbage, but its also different from mobo to mobo

 

Also manual OC is quite toasty on Zen 1/+ as the voltage required is high.

 

2 minutes ago, Derrk said:

2700x's idle temps did seem a bit extreme before i set it manually

Singlecore loads tend to do that. The 3600 and 3700x has an issue with thermal density that leads to thermal spike and ramping fans. Apperantly fixed with newer Bios iirc. 

[ckinfos]

11 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Both of these statements are utterly incorrect. Please.dont make random false claims about thing you clearly have no experience with. Tyres don't magically alter when you drive the car. Paste won't become good by burning it. 

Buy new tyres first then speak. Change your brakes and then speak. I am mechanic so speak with respect. As for the thermal paste dont just use the forum....listen to some videos from linus or gamer nexus too and then speak about it! Ok Pro? by the way....my father is a car mechanic and tyre seller!

[Derrk]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Isnt his CPU set to auto. As in stock with perhaps PBO enabled?

i'd guess its stock with PBO, but from what i recall (it's been over a year), 1.45v was an all-core voltage, though i could be wrong

 

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Auto-voltage on Manual OC is like allways garbage, but its also different from mobo to mobo

I doubt OPs done a manual OC yet. in regards to my comment about tuning in a manual OC, it also referred to a static voltage. I've heard lots of people argue 1.45v is too high for ryzen or 1.45 is fine for ryzen, but it freaked me out either way. my last pc before my 2700x build was an 4690k, so 1.45v was especially scary, even if it shouldn't be

 

[Derrk]

2 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

Buy new tyres first then speak. Change your brakes and then speak. I am mechanic so speak with respect. As for the thermal paste dont just use the forum....listen to some videos from linus or gamer nexus too and then speak about it! Ok Pro? by the way....my father is a car mechanic and tyre seller!

hi... not a mechanic but a car owner over here. I've gotten many new tires and they almost always immediately felt better than my old tires. i've had my brakes replaced a couple times (since they were under warranty) and they immediately felt better when replaced. not sure what your point is, but i don't think it applies to TIM. thermal paste is best when its brand new. i usually change mine at least once a year

 

no ones trying to disrespect you.. its just an unusual analogy

[Robdawg98]

32 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

What rpm are the fans and pump running at?

 

Moved to Liquid and Exotic Cooling. 

Fans are at 1750ish with the performance curve on

pump is at 2791

On Ryzen Master it’s showing 3950 on all cores and the temp is still at 65c and goes down about 1-2c a second and then leaps from 55 back to 65

[GoldenLag]

Just now, ckinfos said:

Change your brakes and then speak.

Brakes and tires are two very different things......

Also iirc brakes also dont change a whole lot after initial use. A little bit, sure. Same would go for tires as the outer layer of the tire get worn down. But it doesnt drastically change. 

1 minute ago, ckinfos said:

As for the thermal paste dont just use the forum....listen to some videos from linus or gamer nexus too and then speak about it

You know. Lets listen to people who test thermal paste. Notice how they test the thermal paste right after application......

Its almost as if thermal paste, a non-moving heat-conductive materia, lt doesnt act like tires or brakes. 

 

3 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

by the way....my father is a car mechanic and tyre seller!

So are you a mechanic? Or the son/daughter of a mechanic?

 

Because you cant apply tire physical properties to thermal paste. Especially since they act in two very different ways.

[Robdawg98]

Also I have not done any manual adjustments to any BIOS settings for any OC or voltage since I literally just installed the CPU like 4 hours ago. 

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Derrk said:

doubt OPs done a manual OC yet. in regards to my comment about tuning in a manual OC, it also referred to a static voltage. I've heard lots of people argue 1.45v is too high for ryzen or 1.45 is fine for ryzen, but it freaked me out either way. my last pc before my 2700x build was an 4690k, so 1.45v was especially scary, even if it shouldn't be

For manual OC, yes. 1,45 volts is the high limit for any OC and i dont really suggest going that high. Boost etc can just do its thing since its a lot more dynamic than locking core voltage.

 

 

Now back on topic. 

3 minutes ago, Robdawg98 said:

On Ryzen Master it’s showing 3950 on all cores and the temp is still at 65c and goes down about 1-2c a second and then leaps from 55 back to 65

This is durong a stresstest or idle?

[ckinfos]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

Brakes and tires are two very different things......

Also iirc brakes also dont change a whole lot after initial use. A little bit, sure. Same would go for tires as the outer layer of the tire get worn down. But it doesnt drastically change. 

You know. Lets listen to people who test thermal paste. Notice how they test the thermal paste right after application......

Its almost as if thermal paste, a non-moving heat-conductive materia, lt doesnt act like tires or brakes. 

 

So are you a mechanic? Or the son/daughter of a mechanic?

 

Because you cant apply tire physical properties to thermal paste. Especially since they act in two very different ways.

lookk or google for something. i cannot convince you either way! The tyres was an example as to how materials may not work immediately at the top of its performance. OMG look some fucking Formula 1 from time to time. The same apply for the therma paste as it is material that needs to adapt at the environment a bit first. Take some fucking chemistry or physic lessons too. end of story. Stick to your opinion if you wish. now be more creative than arguing the smae and the same. your opinions were stated so did i.

[Robdawg98]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

For manual OC, yes. 1,45 volts is the high limit for any OC and i dont really suggest going that high. Boost etc can just do its thing since its a lot more dynamic than locking core voltage.

 

 

Now back on topic. 

This is durong a stresstest or idle?

This is idle. CAM and Task Manager both showing 3-7% CPU usage.

[Robdawg98]

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

That's high for a 240mm AIO. Reset CMOS and make sure you're not overvolting as is typical for 300 series MSI

Somehow I overlooked this. What would be a normal voltage for this? I don’t mind going into BIOS and tweaking I’m just not sure what’s ideal. 

[Derrk]

12 minutes ago, Robdawg98 said:

pump is at 2791

not sure what the max pump speed is for your aio, but you should max it out if it isn't already

 

7 minutes ago, Robdawg98 said:

This is idle. CAM and Task Manager both showing 3-7% CPU usage.

i've never personally used CAM before, but i've heard complaints about it. for temps, ryzen master is pretty accurate, but i'd recommend getting hwinfo64 to look at all your temps and voltages

[GoldenLag]

7 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

OMG look some fucking Formula 1 from time to time

If you werent aware, formula 1 tires are very different than regular car tires. And iirc they need to warm up the tires. Not wear them down........

9 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

The same apply for the therma paste as it is material that needs to adapt at the environment a bit first

You dont know what thermal paste or its physical properties do you?

9 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

Take some fucking chemistry or physic lessons too

Silicon is pretty infamous for its non-reactive properties in certain configs.

And physical properties of thermal paste dont align with your statement. 

12 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

Stick to your opinion if you wish

 

12 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

lookk or google for something. i cannot convince you either way

You arent willing to learn about how PC parts work? Because your experience as the son/daughter of a car machanic doesnt work for PC parts. 

 

And since you arent willing to learn, ill stop responding.

[Derrk]

13 minutes ago, ckinfos said:

OMG look some fucking Formula 1 from time to time. The same apply for the therma paste as it is material that needs to adapt at the environment a bit first. Take some fucking chemistry or physic lessons too.

warm tires perform better because they get softer and create more surface area for grip. good sentiment, but i dont think it really applies for thermal paste

[GoldenLag]

15 minutes ago, Robdawg98 said:

This is idle. CAM and Task Manager both showing 3-7% CPU usage.

How is the mounting and thermal paste application?