ISP Not Allowing Bridge

[rbrowne11]

So this has been a long process of trying to set up my own router (EdgeRouter ER-X) and access point (Ubiquity Ap-AC).

 

First of all: I am renting a house in college and have Gig fiber connection provided. When my ISP came in to install the connection, I was in class unfortunately so I was unable to ask them the questions I wanted. They went and installed a Nokia Gateway 3 and left a very vague sheet on how to connect. The only way they say to connect to the router for settings is through their website and that has barely anything other than number of devices connected. I found the IP of the router and tried connecting through a browser like normal but the page instantly comes up saying the page refused to connect. 

 

What I'm wondering is if this is a way for the ISP to have all the controls on the settings or why else they would do this? I have contacted their support and the only answers I have gotten about setting up my router is 1. They only use DHCP and 2. They wont take down the SSID Broadcast or put the installed hardware into any sort of bridge mode. 

 

Does this mean adding my own router will have little to no benefit?

[Windows7ge]

If they stated they won't enable Bridged Mode on the Modem/Router then you're SOL. Adding your own Router will create a double NAT. Although this can cause issues when doing some types of server hosting it isn't detrimental. If you're looking to do any kind of port forwarding you'll have to do it from the ISP Modem/Router (if they allow that).

 

Outside of this or setting up a Wi-Fi mesh using your own routers in AP mode then no there's no real benefit to adding your own Router in between your Network and this ISP's Modem/Router. If anything it will cause some conflict with certain services/applications.

[Jarno.]

hi @rbrowne11

Most ISP's won't allow you to do this. Furthermore bridge modus is kinda unreliable solution. In a perfect world you would rather want to replace the modem/router directly connected at the cable that comes into your house. Unfortunately ISP's often won't allow you to do this either.

 

You can setup Ubiquity Ap-AC and Router as access point only otherwise you will create  NAT behinde NAT.

 

[ddennis002]

21 minutes ago, rbrowne11 said:

So this has been a long process of trying to set up my own router (EdgeRouter ER-X) and access point (Ubiquity Ap-AC).

 

First of all: I am renting a house in college and have Gig fiber connection provided. When my ISP came in to install the connection, I was in class unfortunately so I was unable to ask them the questions I wanted. They went and installed a Nokia Gateway 3 and left a very vague sheet on how to connect. The only way they say to connect to the router for settings is through their website and that has barely anything other than number of devices connected. I found the IP of the router and tried connecting through a browser like normal but the page instantly comes up saying the page refused to connect. 

 

What I'm wondering is if this is a way for the ISP to have all the controls on the settings or why else they would do this? I have contacted their support and the only answers I have gotten about setting up my router is 1. They only use DHCP and 2. They wont take down the SSID Broadcast or put the installed hardware into any sort of bridge mode. 

 

Does this mean adding my own router will have little to no benefit?

Are you using http://192.168.18.1. to access the Nokia gateway? login should be admin and password that is on the label.

Im still looking though to see if that device supports native bridge mode. I will post back when I know for sure.

 

Also to confirm the model of the nokia is G-240W-E?

Edited September 23, 2019 by ddennis002

[Donut417]

4 hours ago, rbrowne11 said:

What I'm wondering is if this is a way for the ISP to have all the controls on the settings or why else they would do this? I

Simple. That gateway you have is the only thing there tech support knows how to support. Its like if I call Xfinity right now and have an issue. They will blame the modem, because I own it and its no theirs. ISP support only knows how to troubleshoot their equipment, anything outside of that they cant help with. So sometimes they like to be restrictive, so they dont get calls about things they cant help with. 

 

Also sometimes you have to talk to the right person to get things done. Ive seen people call Xfinity about getting the gateway in to bridge mode, and had a tech support agent not have a fucking clue what they were asking about. 

[rbrowne11]

4 hours ago, ddennis002 said:

Are you using http://192.168.18.1. to access the Nokia gateway? login should be admin and password that is on the label.

Im still looking though to see if that device supports native bridge mode. I will post back when I know for sure.

 

Also to confirm the model of the nokia is G-240W-E?

I was using http://100.64.0.254 to try to access the gateway as that is what my phone and computer are on. I will have to try the other address when I get back. 

 

Yes it is the G-240W-E

[intertan]

Wow as an isp tech I always setup our equipment in bridgemode. Do a short walkthrew on setting up there router and that is it. There is a understanding that the isp will not support this and I am only doing this in good fath. 

[ddennis002]

1 hour ago, rbrowne11 said:

I was using http://100.64.0.254 to try to access the gateway as that is what my phone and computer are on. I will have to try the other address when I get back. 

 

Yes it is the G-240W-E

So from what I can tell from the config manual I don't see a setting for bridge mode on the Nokia.

Doesn't mean it isn't there as i don't have access to that paticular device. I did see it supports DMZ so that would help a bit to combat double NAT. You would still have 2 internal Subnets but you wouldn't have to do any port forwarding or such on the Nokia. But you might still run into some issues on some services. 

If you cannot find an explicit bridge mode you could still run your equipment just as AP for the Wifi and Switch mode on your router. Let the Nokia handle all the Routing and DHCP ect.

[rbrowne11]

3 hours ago, intertan said:

Wow as an isp tech I always setup our equipment in bridgemode. Do a short walkthrew on setting up there router and that is it. There is a understanding that the isp will not support this and I am only doing this in good fath. 

See now doesn't that seem reasonable? Too bad there aren't more people like you that don't just do a job, but do it right. The problem with that in my situation is it's a college town, thousands of people moving in around the same week, everyone is demanding internet.

[mynameisjuan]

9 hours ago, rbrowne11 said:

 I am renting a house in college

Is this a multi-tenent house?

 

There are definitely reasons to not allow an ONT to be bridged

[intertan]

5 hours ago, rbrowne11 said:

See now doesn't that seem reasonable? Too bad there aren't more people like you that don't just do a job, but do it right. The problem with that in my situation is it's a college town, thousands of people moving in around the same week, everyone is demanding internet.

it takes an extra 3-5 min. our competitors get paid by the job and not by the hour like I do. 

 

5 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

Is this a multi-tenent house?

 

There are definitely reasons to not allow an ONT to be bridged

ont does not get bridged. The gateway that provides the internet from the ont is the one that gets bridged. gateway=isp modem/router/switch/wifi

[Donut417]

2 hours ago, intertan said:

ont does not get bridged. The gateway that provides the internet from the ont is the one that gets bridged. gateway=isp modem/router/switch/wifi

In a Fiber install the closes thing to a modem you have is the ONT. In some countries they provide a ONT/Router Combo. Not everyone installs things like Verizon, whee you have a separate ONT and can pick what router you want to hook to it. 

[mynameisjuan]

2 hours ago, intertan said:

ont does not get bridged. The gateway that provides the internet from the ont is the one that gets bridged. gateway=isp modem/router/switch/wifi

The ONT is a L3 switch with some offering RG configuration. You are bridging the ports to the uplink to the blade vs with a RG bridging only the copper ports.

[intertan]

On 9/24/2019 at 5:24 AM, Donut417 said:

In a Fiber install the closes thing to a modem you have is the ONT. In some countries they provide a ONT/Router Combo. Not everyone installs things like Verizon, whee you have a separate ONT and can pick what router you want to hook to it. 

this is what my isp does.